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« on: September 06, 2010, 07:40:32 AM »

Yes , rather than be sued I do find it rather strange that Mr Leaf gets no mention in the Liner Notes  Roll Eyes
What can I read into that Huh?
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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2010, 07:44:03 AM »

Yes , rather than be sued I do find it rather strange that Mr Leaf gets no mention in the Liner Notes  Roll Eyes
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I would have been truly astonished if there had been. Other long-time "thankees" are also absent, in some cases since TLOS. You don't need to be Nostradamus Holmes to work out what's happened.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2010, 07:57:21 AM »

Mr. Leaf's not in the liner notes?

The fanbase collectively lifts its leg and farts. Smiley

I thought Leaf has been in and out with Brian recently.
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2010, 10:27:19 AM »

Yes , rather than be sued I do find it rather strange that Mr Leaf gets no mention in the Liner Notes  Roll Eyes
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Why would Leaf be sued?

(I haven't really been keeping up with recent goings-on in Brian's world.)
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2010, 10:44:18 AM »

Yes what has the Mike Love bashing, Brian butt licking, original Brianista done to piss off the B.W. camp so much? Do tell.
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2010, 11:21:53 AM »

He's hardly the original Brianista or the originator of Love-bashing...
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2010, 12:58:52 PM »

Leaf is convenient guy for some folks to gripe about who don't like the lionization of Brian at the expense of the rest of the band (despite the fact, as noted, that the process had been going on for more than a decade before he wrote a word on the subject). I don't think he was sued, I just think there was some personal drama at some point. He was, however, invited to the BWRG launch party in LA (as noted by Carlin), so I doubt it was a permanent exclusion.
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2010, 01:08:35 PM »

I don't think he was sued, I just think there was some personal drama at some point. He was, however, invited to the BWRG launch party in LA (as noted by Carlin), so I doubt it was a permanent exclusion.

Excellent reasoning - however your second sentence is, currently, spurious.
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2010, 01:11:33 PM »

He's hardly the original Brianista or the originator of Love-bashing...

i'd say the years 1966-1967 planted the seeds.
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2010, 01:13:14 PM »

So he wasn't at the listening party?

Or rather, are we not to extrapolate anything from his presence at said event?
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2010, 01:18:08 PM »

So he wasn't at the listening party?

Or rather, are we not to extrapolate anything from his presence at said event?

I said "spurious", not "inaccurate".  Wink

He was there - Peter saw him, friends of mine spoke to him - but unless something has changed in the last few hours, he's still out of the loop. Anyway, in the wider view, less significant than symptomatic.
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2010, 01:28:05 PM »

We talkin' Big Daddy or Davy?
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2010, 01:31:11 PM »

We talkin' Big Daddy or Davy?

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2010, 03:00:38 PM »

So who did originate the Brianista tradition then? I'm guessing it was an after-the-fact creation of myth rather than something concurrent to his peak in the mid 1960s?
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2010, 03:06:55 PM »


What's wrong, friend?
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2010, 03:08:27 PM »

So who did originate the Brianista tradition then? I'm guessing it was an after-the-fact creation of myth rather than something concurrent to his peak in the mid 1960s?
The post-Wild Honey Paul Williams and David Anderle articles (originally from Crawdaddy?) that can be found in "Look! Listen! Vibrate! Smile!" are pretty doggone Brianistaic. And how's "Brianistaic" for a word!
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2010, 03:09:40 PM »


Since you asked, Earl Leaf died in 1980, aged 75. So, unlikely to be the Leaf under discussion.
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2010, 03:11:32 PM »

So who did originate the Brianista tradition then? I'm guessing it was an after-the-fact creation of myth rather than something concurrent to his peak in the mid 1960s?
The post-Wild Honey Paul Williams and David Anderle articles (originally from Crawdaddy?) that can be found in "Look! Listen! Vibrate! Smile!" are pretty doggone Brianistaic. And how's "Brianistaic" for a word!

Also in William's book... and I have to say, divorced from the contemporary context, they make for most frustrating reading.
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2010, 03:15:35 PM »

So Leaf's out of the circle.

The older daughters are not mentioned by name. Are they out of the circle too?
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2010, 03:24:28 PM »

So who did originate the Brianista tradition then? I'm guessing it was an after-the-fact creation of myth rather than something concurrent to his peak in the mid 1960s?

Wouldn't their publicist Derek Taylor get some credit for early promotion of the Brianista tradition?
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2010, 03:25:30 PM »

So who did originate the Brianista tradition then?

Murry.
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2010, 03:34:13 PM »

I think Derek Taylor might have been the first to use "genius" in print. And all of the writers, etc., around Brian during the Smile sessions played a big role in subsequent years. I mean, the myth of "Smile" became the myth of Brian Wilson. That then fed appetites for the boots, which led to Don Was doing the '95 doc, which codified the tale for a new generation.

And it is a story, a myth, that we like to hear and we like to tell. If Derek Taylor hadn't done it, if David Leaf hadn't done it, if Don Was hadn't done it, other people would have. The creative person who comes too close the flame -- I mean, there are quite a few guys from that era similarly lauded. Syd, for one. Peter Green for another. It's a story the public loves to hear. It doesn't matter how the actual details fit.
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2010, 03:50:08 PM »

I think Derek Taylor might have been the first to use "genius" in print.

Pretty sure that's so, but the term was obviously being applied to Brian by early March 1965 for Murry to state (albeit sarcastically) "Brian, I'm a genius too".
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2010, 03:54:06 PM »

And it is a story, a myth, that we like to hear and we like to tell. If Derek Taylor hadn't done it, if David Leaf hadn't done it, if Don Was hadn't done it, other people would have. The creative person who comes too close the flame -- I mean, there are quite a few guys from that era similarly lauded. Syd, for one. Peter Green for another. It's a story the public loves to hear. It doesn't matter how the actual details fit.
Absolutely. And not only did the basic narrative work with the mythical telling, but we had this wonderful, evocative story of the lost gem: Smile. Brianistaism had to come about, because we had a collection of people who believed in what was happening, only to see it put aside and themselves ousted from the scene. (Naturally, they chose good guys and bad guys for their stories ... and yes, I avoided the term H&V there.)

The whole thing lends itself to myth. It doesn't take long to give Brian super-powers. "He could coax emotion out of professional string players" can pretty easily turn into "he could play every instrument in the orchestra better than the pros" to "I've seen Brian leap over tall buildings!"
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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2010, 03:54:36 PM »

So what happened between Leaf and Team Brian?

I understand if you can't go into details, but even in a broad sense, what could have gone down between them, after all these years?

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