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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2010, 10:28:15 AM »

One thing I do find "cultish" is spelling Smile with all caps except for a lower-case i, in an attempt to ape the logo. As a graphic designer, that bugs me. It's not a secret handshake, rather it's a fannish affectation, imho.





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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2010, 10:55:50 AM »

The word "Cult" can be seen to imply over obsessive implications when it's being used to describe the collective fans of a certain group.  Too geeky. Just sick with the term fans. It's a moot point anyway, because the time is at hand when all the Beach Boy cult members throughout the land will be swept away by the new uprising of "THE CULT OF WISHBONE ASH". The revolution starts here.
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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2010, 11:02:16 AM »

One thing I do find "cultish" is spelling Smile with all caps except for a lower-case i, in an attempt to ape the logo. As a graphic designer, that bugs me. It's not a secret handshake, rather it's a fannish affectation, imho.

How dare you blaspheme against the Church of Brian!!! Anyone who doesn't spell SMiLE with a lower-case i and the rest in CAPS will, in the afterlife, spend eternity being forced to listen to Summer in Paradise and Wishbone Ash one after another nonstop!!!!
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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2010, 11:14:33 AM »

One thing I do find "cultish" is spelling Smile with all caps except for a lower-case i, in an attempt to ape the logo. As a graphic designer, that bugs me. It's not a secret handshake, rather it's a fannish affectation, imho.

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My bad and I am in complete error...It was "Smiley Smile" that came out when I was in high school - the other is Brian's "enhanced" solo work.

It (that unusual logo) is used widely when written about in the newspapers and on the internet.  It might even be "protected" under copyright or some kind of intellectual property umbrella.   

In my post above, in error, I used "there" for "their."  Mea culpa.

 
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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2010, 03:06:42 PM »

One thing I do find "cultish" is spelling Smile with all caps except for a lower-case i, in an attempt to ape the logo. As a graphic designer, that bugs me. It's not a secret handshake, rather it's a fannish affectation, imho.

Sometimes stuff like that irks me, but I don't think anything's wrong with that because it's not an attempt to ape the logo, it very well DOES ape the logo.  So since it works so good, I always thought it was pretty cool.  SMiLE!

The lower case i also looks childish; which I feel helps capture Brian's persona.  So ultimately, writing it "Smile" brings up an image of what the word conveys, but writing it "SMiLE" brings up an image of what the word conveys, apes the beautiful album cover, and helps capture the essense of the chief creator behind the album's brilliance. 
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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2010, 04:12:38 PM »

Nah, it looks like an acronym to me, like Seven Minutes in Limbo Extended.  LOL



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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2010, 06:03:40 PM »

Maybe that was Brian's acronym. You are a genius to figure that out. Wink
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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2010, 06:47:30 PM »

The Beach Boys are my comfort food.

Very well put.   And I would add that the harnony is like a soft aural pillow.  When life gets a little sharp, jagged, out of focus, listen to ATIT or DWB.........like taking a time out ride on a cloud.
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2010, 08:58:18 PM »

Nah, it looks like an acronym to me, like Seven Minutes in Limbo Extended.  LOL





Yeah, but your vote doesn't count because you've already admitted you're a weirdo about that stuff since you're an interior decorator.  Or a webpage designer or something like that.  Either way, you're weird. 
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« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2010, 12:50:09 AM »

Good topic, Magic T R!

There are obviously negative connotations to the word cult, but the following definitions surely apply

Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.

An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest

Cult also refers to religious devotion and this particularly interests me. I think the obsession with the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson we see on this board sometimes shares similarities with religion. For instance, the way we all ostensibly like the same thing, yet we spilt ourselves off into sub groups. Take Smile for example: Pre BWPS there were a lot of fans who loved the Smile material and could agree on many aspects of it. Then BWPS came along, and a division occurred within that same group - those that loved BWPS and those that felt it somehow betrayed the original sessions and spirit of the project. So a group that shared largely the same specialist interest, suddenly became divided to the point that strong arguments could develop. In religion there is also a history of groups of followers adapting their shared beliefs and developing offshoot variations of the religion. Must be something to do with human nature that something we love can ironically become something we fight over. Fortunately, unlike religion that can often result in bloodshed, our differences of opinion over the BB will never result in physical violence. Not yet anyway!

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« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2010, 01:05:41 AM »

One thing I do find "cultish" is spelling Smile with all caps except for a lower-case i, in an attempt to ape the logo. As a graphic designer, that bugs me. It's not a secret handshake, rather it's a fannish affectation, imho.
 

As I mentioned a few years ago on this board, I consider the practice of writing Smile as SMiLE to be absolutely bizarre.  Following the logic of writing Smile as SMiLE, Surfin' Safari must be written only in lowercase as surfin' safari, while Surfin' USA and most other releases must be written in caps as SURFIN' USA.  When referring to Shut Down Volume 2, not only must the album title be in all caps, but The Beach Boys must be referred to as the beach boys, in all lowercase, and when referring to Surfer Girl, both the album title and band name must be in caps and italics, etc, etc. 

But, getting back to Magic Transistor Radio's original question, it is a very good one.  Like all popular bands in the 60's there was an official Beach Boys Fan Club, but I really don't know much about it, and I think it existed mostly for girls who liked the music and were into the guys in the band.  It would be interesting to know if they published a newsletter, and, if so, what info it contained. 

In 1974, while listening to KRTH FM in LA, they had a Beach Boys Day and mentioned "Beach Boys Freaks United".  At the time I considered joining but then decided I was too cool to be a member of a 'fan club'.  A few years later I realized that the Beach Boys Freaks United newsletter was a great source of info on my favorite band, so I joined.  And, the term 'freaks', while popular at the time, should help to give you a clue that at that time huge fans of the BBs could be considered cultish to an extent.  But, as time passed and the term 'freaks' seemed to refer more to strange people or aging hippies, the club shortened it's name to BBFUN, and now they are simply Beach Boys Fan Club. 

In the pre-internet days, there were a number of fanzines, including Pet Sounds, first published Feb 77, Add Some Music, first published Dec 78, and Endless Summer Quarterly, first published Aug 87.  ESQ is still going strong, and anyone who is seriously interested in the BBs and BW should definitely be a subscriber. 









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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2010, 02:03:13 AM »

I can't condone the obsessive cult behavior of some fans. I'll put in a good word for their help and guidance tonight while I'm praying to Brian.

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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2010, 08:23:15 AM »

Ok, so maybe 'cult' was not a good word to use. There are many BB fans that would have no interest in this board. They like the hits and that's about it. But there came a time in history when BB 'Geeks', 'Die hards', 'deep cut fans', 'people who want to know what date something was recorded' kinds of fans began to find each other and grow.
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2010, 08:30:27 AM »

Ok, so maybe 'cult' was not a good word to use. There are many BB fans that would have no interest in this board. They like the hits and that's about it. But there came a time in history when BB 'Geeks', 'Die hards', 'deep cut fans', 'people who want to know what date something was recorded' kinds of fans began to find each other and grow.

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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2010, 08:46:21 AM »

Ok, so maybe 'cult' was not a good word to use. There are many BB fans that would have no interest in this board. They like the hits and that's about it. But there came a time in history when BB 'Geeks', 'Die hards', 'deep cut fans', 'people who want to know what date something was recorded' kinds of fans began to find each other and grow.

I've found, as I've got older and my work more demanding, and my daughter arrived, that I've grown much less obsessive about the what and whens, and much more interested in the whys and wherefores. I no longer have the time to spend obsessively searching websites and literature for every fact and figure, but love the chance tom relax with a well-written article (say in Uncut or Mojo, ESQ or Beach Boys Britain's newsletter) that feeds me a ton of information that puts in all in context, sets the scene and explains more of the setting it all took palce..

I guess I've gone from statistics to aethestics.

Am I really getting old?
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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2010, 09:29:03 AM »

Ok, so maybe 'cult' was not a good word to use. There are many BB fans that would have no interest in this board. They like the hits and that's about it. But there came a time in history when BB 'Geeks', 'Die hards', 'deep cut fans', 'people who want to know what date something was recorded' kinds of fans began to find each other and grow.

Those people in your second "category" might be construed as budding "historians" looking to "reconstruct" the details of the voyage. 

My teenage gut told me (during those waning days of popularity in the late 60's in the US) that one fine day - that this would happen because it was "bigger than us" and would rightly take its place in history, both social and musical.  The can "reconstruct" hopefully and correctly the work. As long as they are not "revisionist" and try to "re-write" with their own spin, this amazing saga... Wink 
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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2010, 09:43:17 AM »

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Those people in your second "category" might be construed as budding "historians" looking to "reconstruct" the details of the voyage. 

My teenage gut told me (during those waning days of popularity in the late 60's in the US) that one fine day - that this would happen because it was "bigger than us" and would rightly take its place in history, both social and musical.  The can "reconstruct" hopefully and correctly the work. As long as they are not "revisionist" and try to "re-write" with their own spin, this amazing saga...

I will try with all my might to defend and keep upright, and tell, wherever I can, the true story of Wishbone Ash.
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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2010, 09:59:38 AM »

What about "The Beach Boys Community?" Does that phrase convey our sense of passion for the BB's without making us sound like a bunch of sad lonely anoraks into the bargin?
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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2010, 10:09:36 AM »

What about "The Beach Boys Community?" Does that phrase convey our sense of passion for the BB's without making us sound like a bunch of sad lonely anoraks into the bargin?

Great, I could do with that very well.
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« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2010, 12:22:45 PM »

I hearby declare The Heartical Don to be the residing President of "The Wishbone Ash Community". Remember with great privilege comes also great responsibility.
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« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2010, 01:04:13 PM »

Ok, so maybe 'cult' was not a good word to use. There are many BB fans that would have no interest in this board. They like the hits and that's about it. But there came a time in history when BB 'Geeks', 'Die hards', 'deep cut fans', 'people who want to know what date something was recorded' kinds of fans began to find each other and grow.

I've found, as I've got older and my work more demanding, and my daughter arrived, that I've grown much less obsessive about the what and whens, and much more interested in the whys and wherefores. I no longer have the time to spend obsessively searching websites and literature for every fact and figure, but love the chance tom relax with a well-written article (say in Uncut or Mojo, ESQ or Beach Boys Britain's newsletter) that feeds me a ton of information that puts in all in context, sets the scene and explains more of the setting it all took palce..

I guess I've gone from statistics to aethestics.

Am I really getting old?
Maybe more mature-stats never get stale-just boring and somewhat cold. The stats will always be there, but the individual opinions and deep feelings toward the band can be more interesting.
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« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2010, 10:21:05 PM »

Ok, so maybe 'cult' was not a good word to use. There are many BB fans that would have no interest in this board. They like the hits and that's about it. But there came a time in history when BB 'Geeks', 'Die hards', 'deep cut fans', 'people who want to know what date something was recorded' kinds of fans began to find each other and grow.

I've found, as I've got older and my work more demanding, and my daughter arrived, that I've grown much less obsessive about the what and whens, and much more interested in the whys and wherefores. I no longer have the time to spend obsessively searching websites and literature for every fact and figure, but love the chance tom relax with a well-written article (say in Uncut or Mojo, ESQ or Beach Boys Britain's newsletter) that feeds me a ton of information that puts in all in context, sets the scene and explains more of the setting it all took palce..

I guess I've gone from statistics to aethestics.

Am I really getting old?

I am like that. I don't really care about session dates, types of instruments used, most musicians used, etc. Although I appreciate AGD and others that gather that info. And I know there are people that are really into that. Things that I find interesting are band politics, personalities, and the relationships between the guys, and their band philosophies. Which is also very geeky in a different way.

Then there are historians that have their own agendas. You have the David Leaf types that believe that Brian is God and all other BB are the Devil. Then their are the Mike Love defenders. Then there are those such as Jon Stebbons that defend Dennis against the popular views that he is just a talentless clubber. And I am sure that there are some others. After reading The Real Beach Boy, I thought that Jon was a bit one sided, but after reading The Lost Beach Boy, I feel that he has a very fair view.

Blah! Blah! Off topic.
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