The Smiley Smile Message Board
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
If you like this message board, please help with the hosting costs!
680813
Posts in
27616
Topics by
4067
Members - Latest Member:
Dae Lims
April 25, 2024, 04:14:04 AM
The Smiley Smile Message Board
|
Smiley Smile Stuff
|
General On Topic Discussions
|
Musical references/quotations in BWRG
0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
« previous
next »
Pages:
[
1
]
2
Author
Topic: Musical references/quotations in BWRG (Read 6336 times)
BJL
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 333
Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
on:
August 11, 2010, 05:56:57 PM »
I thought I'd get this one going, since there seem to be so many!! Fair game, I figure, are references to Beach Boys songs, but also to Gershwin songs other than the one ostensibly being played (I'm fairly sure this happens at least once). I'll start off with one I heard about on the board, and one I found for myself:
The end of I Got Rhythm pretty clearly references Farmer's Daughter.
The background vocals during the solo on They Can't Take That Away From Me are a pretty clear reference to the Ronettes: Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love.
What else can we find?
Logged
Mr. Cohen
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 1746
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #1 on:
August 11, 2010, 08:01:49 PM »
At the end of "Nothing But Love", the phrase "nothing but love" is sung like the "lucky old sun" phrase from Briayn's last album, which is then followed by the ascending harmonies that were used at the end of "In Blue Hawaii" on BWPS. During the beginning of the "Rhapsody in Blue' intro, the first instrument to play in the background is an accordion. Brian's first memory of music was "Rhapsody", and he took lessons for accordion when he was boy, the only time he ever took musical lessons (and it may, thus, have been the first instrument he tried to play seriously). A cute reference.
Logged
hypehat
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 6311
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #2 on:
August 12, 2010, 02:27:52 AM »
I don't think there's any musical similarity besides the fact both are played on strings, but the strings in I Got Plenty O Nuttin really remind me of Tones/Tune X.
When 'They Can't Take That Away From Me' first started up, I caught myself singing 'Little Deuce Coupe'....
Still trying to find a Shortenin' Bread riff...
Logged
Quote from: ontor pertawst on October 06, 2012, 06:05:25 PM
All roads lead to Kokomo. Exhaustive research in time travel has conclusively proven that there is no alternate universe WITHOUT Kokomo. It would've happened regardless.
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on May 15, 2012, 12:33:42 PM
What is this "life" thing you speak of ?
Quote from: Al Jardine
Syncopate it? In front of all these people?!
Andrew G. Doe
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 17767
The triumph of The Hickey Script !
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #3 on:
August 12, 2010, 02:55:26 AM »
Quote from: hypehat on August 12, 2010, 02:27:52 AM
Still trying to find a Shortenin' Bread riff...
To my astonishment, there doesn't seem to be one.
Hearing something I can't put my finger on in the tag of "NBL" - thought it was "Our Prayer" at first... definitely a
Smile
something.
The tag of "Nuttin'" is, to me at any rate, distinctly "Three Blind Mice"-ish... but then pretty much the whole track is infused with the
Pet Sounds
/
Smile
ambience.
«
Last Edit: August 12, 2010, 03:01:12 AM by Andrew G. Doe
»
Logged
The four sweetest words in my vocabulary: "This poster is ignored".
buddhahat
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2643
Hi, my name's Doug. Would you like to dance?
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #4 on:
August 12, 2010, 03:17:30 AM »
In I Get Plenty O Nuttin 0.54-1.05, I hear a striking similarity to Three Blind Mice, as-well as the aforementioned overall similarity to Tones. I don't think these are conscious quotations but I take them to be re-assuring evidence that Brian's very much at the controls this time (Hooray!)
Edit: Doh Doe, you pipped me to it!!
The shuffle beat in Can't Take That Away that another poster has mentioned elsewhere, reminds me of Wouldn't It Be Nice.
The ascending vocal part at the end I would say has its origins in the H&V sessions (Bridge to indians), Our Prayer and is also used in Goin On. I think this particular part was discussed a while ago on the board, and somebody suggested this ascending thing originated in All Dressed Up For School (the dit dit dits).
Great idea for a thread btw! If you do the same thing with Smile though, the whole world folds in on itself, heaving under the weight of a trillion cross-references that simultaneously move backwards and forwards through time - "Love To say Dada definitely contains a quote from Saturday Morning in the City" etc.
«
Last Edit: August 12, 2010, 03:21:17 AM by buddhahat
»
Logged
Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes ......
carl r
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 297
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #5 on:
August 12, 2010, 03:20:26 AM »
Does I've Got a Crush on You incorporate something of 'Sweet Mountain'
Logged
hypehat
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 6311
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #6 on:
August 12, 2010, 03:22:14 AM »
Yeah, I'd say that 'Nothing But Love' bit is H&V more than anything.
No 'Shortenin' Bread'? Sacrilege! I blame Paul Mertens
'Love To Say Dada' definitely contains a quote from 'Chapel Of Love', btw
As for Sweet Mountain, I'd guess that's more a doo-wop similarity than any conscious referencing....
Logged
Quote from: ontor pertawst on October 06, 2012, 06:05:25 PM
All roads lead to Kokomo. Exhaustive research in time travel has conclusively proven that there is no alternate universe WITHOUT Kokomo. It would've happened regardless.
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on May 15, 2012, 12:33:42 PM
What is this "life" thing you speak of ?
Quote from: Al Jardine
Syncopate it? In front of all these people?!
buddhahat
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2643
Hi, my name's Doug. Would you like to dance?
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #7 on:
August 12, 2010, 03:22:48 AM »
Quote from: carl r on August 12, 2010, 03:20:26 AM
Does I've Got a Crush on You incorporate something of 'Sweet Mountain'
I'd say it's a dead ringer for "This Isn't Love" from the cocaine sessions!
Quote from: hypehat on August 12, 2010, 03:22:14 AM
'Love To Say Dada' definitely contains a quote from 'Chapel Of Love', btw
Lol! It does contain a quote from Had To Phone Ya though!!
«
Last Edit: August 12, 2010, 03:36:28 AM by buddhahat
»
Logged
Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes ......
punkinhead
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 4508
what it means to be human
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #8 on:
August 12, 2010, 07:15:24 AM »
Quote from: buddhahat on August 12, 2010, 03:22:48 AM
Quote from: carl r on August 12, 2010, 03:20:26 AM
Does I've Got a Crush on You incorporate something of 'Sweet Mountain'
I'd say it's a dead ringer for "This Isn't Love" from the cocaine sessions!
Quote from: hypehat on August 12, 2010, 03:22:14 AM
'
Love To Say Dada' definitely contains a quote from 'Chapel Of Love', btw
Lol! It does contain a quote from Had To Phone Ya though!!
really?
can I have a little help identifying this?
Logged
To view my video documentation of my Beach Boys collection go to
www.youtube.com/justinplank
"Someone needs to tell Adrian Baker that imitation isn't innovation." -The Real Beach Boy
~post of the century~
"Well, you reached out to me too, David, and I'd be more than happy to fill Bgas's shoes. You don't need him anyway - some of us have the same items in our collections as he does and we're also much better writers. Spoiled brat....."
-Mikie
"in this online beach boy community, I've found that you're either correct or corrected. Which in my mind is all in good fun to show ones knowledge of their favorite band."- punkinhead
Turtle_13
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 23
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #9 on:
August 12, 2010, 07:26:55 AM »
The piano intro to "I've got a crush on you" reminds me of "I'm bugged at my ol' man"..........
Logged
Wirestone
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 6046
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #10 on:
August 12, 2010, 07:37:05 AM »
All the attempts to ID the "Crush" track should bear in mind it's
the
standard doo-wop chord progression. Brian used a version of it in several of his songs, but it doesn't originate with him.
Logged
Don't Back Down
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 712
shoo-be-do-ba
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #11 on:
August 12, 2010, 07:50:48 AM »
At the end of "I Got Rhythm" I hear the bari sax is playing the line from the sax breakdown in Salt Lake City underneath the "Farmer's Daughter" riff
Also, I got the impression of "Little Saint Nick" or "Help Me Rhonda" rhythm-wise on the backing track of "They Can't take That Away From Me"
Logged
Moon shines bright, asleep in my bed, like so many people got a big day ahead of me
Mikie
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 5887
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #12 on:
August 12, 2010, 09:07:43 AM »
I hear the intro to "Wouldn't It Be Nice" and "Rhonda" on a couple of the songs. And I hear the riff to "Shortenin' Bread" on another.
Logged
I, I love the colorful clothes she wears, and she's already working on my brain. I only looked in her eyes, but I picked up something I just can't explain. I, I bet I know what she’s like, and I can feel how right she’d be for me. It’s weird how she comes in so strong, and I wonder what she’s picking up from me. I hope it’s good, good, good, good vibrations, yeah!!
brother john
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 604
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #13 on:
August 12, 2010, 10:11:50 AM »
The most obvious to me is the melody from Passing By in the outro to TLIILY.
All these clever quotes could all be coincidental of course - Brian and the band are both steeped BB/Wilson music, having created and recreated so much of it, so its hardly surprising that bits of instrumentation and certain riffs find their way into new material.
The best quote ever from the BB-related canon is Carl running through the melodic tag of You Still Believe in Me at the end of Mike's Brian is Back. Its a very clever and very touching way of incorporating Brian's voice into a song about him, and acknowledging his bandmates' ongoing faith in and him and affection for him.
Logged
Religion is a privilege, not a right.
buddhahat
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2643
Hi, my name's Doug. Would you like to dance?
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #14 on:
August 12, 2010, 10:33:58 AM »
Quote from: punkinhead on August 12, 2010, 07:15:24 AM
Quote from: buddhahat on August 12, 2010, 03:22:48 AM
Quote from: carl r on August 12, 2010, 03:20:26 AM
Does I've Got a Crush on You incorporate something of 'Sweet Mountain'
I'd say it's a dead ringer for "This Isn't Love" from the cocaine sessions!
Quote from: hypehat on August 12, 2010, 03:22:14 AM
'
Love To Say Dada' definitely contains a quote from 'Chapel Of Love', btw
Lol! It does contain a quote from Had To Phone Ya though!!
really?
can I have a little help identifying this?
Ok so I say quote, I kind of meant that Had To Phone Ya is very similar, rythmically, and in its use of percussion. Try singing the opening line to Phone Ya ("had to phone ya, had to phone ya just to talk to you") between 0.25 and 0.33 of Love to say Da da and you hopefully hear what I mean. This cross referencing of BB songs is pretty subjective - one person might hear the similarity between say the opening to Da da, and the wa ha la lu lay la bit of worms, or between wa ha la lu lay and whistle in and another will say it's all nonsense, and it's difficult to argue conclusively either way. Personally I think Phone Ya is son of Dada!!
«
Last Edit: August 12, 2010, 10:37:54 AM by buddhahat
»
Logged
Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes ......
hypehat
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 6311
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #15 on:
August 12, 2010, 11:30:25 AM »
Try singing 'Going, to the chapel and we're, gonna get married' along with the clarinets in Dada... It's the exact same! I'm not crazy, honest
Logged
Quote from: ontor pertawst on October 06, 2012, 06:05:25 PM
All roads lead to Kokomo. Exhaustive research in time travel has conclusively proven that there is no alternate universe WITHOUT Kokomo. It would've happened regardless.
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on May 15, 2012, 12:33:42 PM
What is this "life" thing you speak of ?
Quote from: Al Jardine
Syncopate it? In front of all these people?!
Ron
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 5086
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #16 on:
August 12, 2010, 11:58:58 AM »
Quote from: brother john on August 12, 2010, 10:11:50 AM
All these clever quotes could all be coincidental of course - Brian and the band are both steeped BB/Wilson music, having created and recreated so much of it, so its hardly surprising that bits of instrumentation and certain riffs find their way into new material.
That should be referred to as the George Harrison defense.
Logged
punkinhead
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 4508
what it means to be human
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #17 on:
August 12, 2010, 12:03:53 PM »
Quote from: buddhahat on August 12, 2010, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: punkinhead on August 12, 2010, 07:15:24 AM
Quote from: buddhahat on August 12, 2010, 03:22:48 AM
Quote from: carl r on August 12, 2010, 03:20:26 AM
Does I've Got a Crush on You incorporate something of 'Sweet Mountain'
I'd say it's a dead ringer for "This Isn't Love" from the cocaine sessions!
Quote from: hypehat on August 12, 2010, 03:22:14 AM
'
Love To Say Dada' definitely contains a quote from 'Chapel Of Love', btw
Lol! It does contain a quote from Had To Phone Ya though!!
really?
can I have a little help identifying this?
Ok so I say quote, I kind of meant that Had To Phone Ya is very similar, rythmically, and in its use of percussion. Try singing the opening line to Phone Ya ("had to phone ya, had to phone ya just to talk to you") between 0.25 and 0.33 of Love to say Da da and you hopefully hear what I mean. This cross referencing of BB songs is pretty subjective - one person might hear the similarity between say the opening to Da da, and the wa ha la lu lay la bit of worms, or between wa ha la lu lay and whistle in and another will say it's all nonsense, and it's difficult to argue conclusively either way. Personally I think Phone Ya is son of Dada!!
where does Trombone Dixie fit in with all this?
Logged
To view my video documentation of my Beach Boys collection go to
www.youtube.com/justinplank
"Someone needs to tell Adrian Baker that imitation isn't innovation." -The Real Beach Boy
~post of the century~
"Well, you reached out to me too, David, and I'd be more than happy to fill Bgas's shoes. You don't need him anyway - some of us have the same items in our collections as he does and we're also much better writers. Spoiled brat....."
-Mikie
"in this online beach boy community, I've found that you're either correct or corrected. Which in my mind is all in good fun to show ones knowledge of their favorite band."- punkinhead
Jay
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 5985
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #18 on:
August 16, 2010, 08:33:25 PM »
The way Brian sings the words "the like in I love you" is the exact same melody as the "do do do, do do" part from about halfway through Midnight's Another Day.
Yes, I caved in. Sue me.
Logged
A son of anarchy surrounded by the hierarchy.
buddhahat
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2643
Hi, my name's Doug. Would you like to dance?
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #19 on:
August 16, 2010, 10:49:21 PM »
Quote from: Jay on August 16, 2010, 08:33:25 PM
The way Brian sings the words "the like in I love you" is the exact same melody as the "do do do, do do" part from about halfway through Midnight's Another Day.
Yes, I caved in. Sue me.
Good spot!
Logged
Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes ......
bossaroo
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 1631
...let's be friends...
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #20 on:
August 16, 2010, 11:08:45 PM »
Quote from: brother john on August 12, 2010, 10:11:50 AM
The most obvious to me is the melody from Passing By in the outro to TLIILY.
not exactly but close...
man it would be nice to hear Passing By performed live
Logged
brother john
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 604
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #21 on:
August 17, 2010, 12:46:06 AM »
Quote from: bossaroo on August 16, 2010, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: brother john on August 12, 2010, 10:11:50 AM
The most obvious to me is the melody from Passing By in the outro to TLIILY.
not exactly but close...
man it would be nice to hear Passing By performed live
Close is good enough for a quote!!
However I think its more likely a coincidence, or an atavism. Or a distant memory passing by.
But yes, a live version of PB would be fab. Have you hard the version by the Pizzicato 5? It rocks! I've heard a few versions of it over the years but those by P5 and the BBs are best.
Logged
Religion is a privilege, not a right.
bossaroo
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 1631
...let's be friends...
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #22 on:
August 17, 2010, 12:51:28 AM »
the tag on "They Can't Take That Away" is reminding me of "She's Got Rhythm"
Logged
The Shift
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 7427
Biding time
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #23 on:
August 18, 2010, 07:26:02 AM »
Someone To Watch Over Me has a faint tinkling of Wonderful about it...
Logged
“We live in divisive times.”
punkinhead
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 4508
what it means to be human
Re: Musical references/quotations in BWRG
«
Reply #24 on:
August 18, 2010, 10:05:28 AM »
I got plenty of nuttin' also reminds me of Al's California, in a way
Logged
To view my video documentation of my Beach Boys collection go to
www.youtube.com/justinplank
"Someone needs to tell Adrian Baker that imitation isn't innovation." -The Real Beach Boy
~post of the century~
"Well, you reached out to me too, David, and I'd be more than happy to fill Bgas's shoes. You don't need him anyway - some of us have the same items in our collections as he does and we're also much better writers. Spoiled brat....."
-Mikie
"in this online beach boy community, I've found that you're either correct or corrected. Which in my mind is all in good fun to show ones knowledge of their favorite band."- punkinhead
Pages:
[
1
]
2
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
Smiley Smile Stuff
-----------------------------
=> BRIAN WILSON Q & A
=> Welcome to the Smiley Smile board
=> General On Topic Discussions
===> Ask The Honored Guests
===> Smiley Smile Reference Threads
=> Smile Sessions Box Set (2011)
=> The Beach Boys Media
=> Concert Reviews
=> Album, Book and Video Reviews And Discussions
===> 1960's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1970's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1980's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1990's Beach Boys Albums
===> 21st Century Beach Boys Albums
===> Brian Wilson Solo Albums
===> Other Solo Albums
===> Produced by or otherwise related to
===> Tribute Albums
===> DVDs and Videos
===> Book Reviews
===> 'Rank the Tracks'
===> Polls
-----------------------------
Non Smiley Smile Stuff
-----------------------------
=> General Music Discussion
=> General Entertainment Thread
=> Smiley Smilers Who Make Music
=> The Sandbox
Powered by SMF 1.1.21
|
SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Page created in 0.755 seconds with 21 queries.
Helios Multi
design by
Bloc
Loading...