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« Reply #75 on: February 26, 2006, 07:52:47 AM »

Before Rieley:

SUNFLOWER - 12 tracks
Bruce: 2 composition credits, 4 lead vocals
Al: 3 cc, 1 lv
Mike: 3 cc, 2 lv
Carl: 1cc, 4 lv
Dennis: 4 cc, 3 lv
Brian: 7 cc, 2 lv

After Rieley:

SURF'S UP - 10 tracks
Bruce: 1 cc, 1 lv
Al: 3 cc, 3 lv
Mike: 2 cc, 2 lv
Carl: 2cc, 3 lv
Dennis: 0 cc, 0 lv
Brian: 4 cc, 2 lv

SO TOUGH - 8 tracks
Al: 2 cc, 0 lv
Mike: 2 cc, 3 lv
Carl: 0 cc, 3 lv
Dennis: 2 cc, 2 lv
Brian: 3 cc, 0 lv
Blondie: 2 cc, 2 lv
Ricky: 2 cc, 0 lv

HOLLAND - 10 tracks
Al: 2 cc, 1 lv
Mike: 4 cc, 3 lv
Carl: 1 cc, 5 lv
Dennis: 2 cc, 0 lv
Brian: 3 cc, 1 lv
Blondie: 1 cc, 3 lv
Ricky: 1 cc, 0 lv
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« Reply #76 on: February 26, 2006, 08:16:40 AM »

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« Reply #77 on: February 26, 2006, 08:26:40 AM »

Ricky had half a lead vocal on So Tough
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« Reply #78 on: February 26, 2006, 08:51:15 AM »

Ricky had half a lead vocal on So Tough

Great, I thought he had only sung lead on "We Got love". I'm sure my list is full of mistakes and misjudgements like this, but my intent was facing Rieley's memories with what was actually pressed on vynil. No, I don't want to dismiss Jack's memories, but they shouldn't be the final word on inner bands politics between '70 and '73.
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« Reply #79 on: February 26, 2006, 09:53:05 AM »

Brian only had three compositions on Surfs Up - the last three songs. He has a co-lead vocal on Take A load off your feet as well though.
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« Reply #80 on: February 26, 2006, 10:02:25 AM »

Reiley said, '...The Beach Boys has been a bitter power
struggle since shortly after the beginning. Brian Wilson, Dennis Wilson
and Carl Wilson represented the creative side: the appeal to musical
beauty and romance and funk and get-down and freakz/fanz; Love, Jardine
and Johnston represented unbridled commercialism and power.  Before I
got there, Love, Jardine and Johnston had control. Because Brian or
Dennis often didn't bother to show up for meetings, the vote was general
2-3 against them.

When I arrived and changed the group's direction, it signalled a change
in the power-center as well.  With the backing of Brian, Dennis and
Carl, I fired Johnston, who had stymied the group's creative
cohesiveness. At the same time I encouraged the Wilsons to act as a
unit. Votes shifted to 3-2.'

I love the three albums made with Reiley, but didn't the BB try to get Johnston to quit in 69 and replace him with Billy Hinsche?  Didn't Bruce quit as opposed to being fired and didn't he continue to turn up at live gigs as well as contribute to tracks on CATP and Holland?
How come Love and Jardine's best stuff was written during these years if they were so anti 'creativity'?  Actually, isn't Disney Girls just THE great Bruce track too? Obviously, I'm not referring to all the great stuff the Lovester wrote with BW prior to this.
For years after this, Jardine continued to write (and occasionally record) songs in this progressive vein.  Again, if he was so against this stuff, why do this?  Of course, when he had some chance to produce prgressive stuff, he ended up concentrating on oldies or new songs with the oldie feel...

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« Reply #81 on: February 26, 2006, 01:41:25 PM »

Jack seems to be a bit of an egomaniac, huh?  "Determined my successor," what is he, a king?  The Beach Boys needed to plan emergency lines of succession?
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« Reply #82 on: February 26, 2006, 01:43:49 PM »

Funny that Josh -- I re-read part of Gaines last night in response to this thread -- Mike laid most of the BB problems at the feet of Carl for picking managers like Jack and some others, who caused in his eyes nothing but problems for the band.  Mike seemed to be less than enamoured with Jack...
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« Reply #83 on: February 26, 2006, 03:15:52 PM »

Of course, when Mike had the opportunity to forge his own artistic vision with Celebration, he stuck to the fun stuff...
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« Reply #84 on: February 27, 2006, 12:46:46 PM »

Then again, Dennis asks Bruce to contribute vocals to POB...
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« Reply #85 on: February 27, 2006, 01:25:02 PM »

And Dennis asked Mike to write lyrics for POB.
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