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Wrightfan
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Brian inspired by Ferde Grofe?
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I just recently heard Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite on a Walt Disney movie from the 50's. The Cloudburst part has something really familiar sound at the 3 minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc6XxSc1PfY&feature=related
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From my viewpoint Brian got much of his influence from exotica music for Pet Sounds, but I've often wondered what the heck the influence was for 'Fire' - good find!
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Don't forget that Grofé is responsible for the orchestration of Rhapsody in Blue.
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Re: Brian inspired by Frede Grofe?
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It's not Frede. It's Ferde.
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Quote from: Wrightfan on August 03, 2010, 10:21:37 AM
I just recently heard Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite on a Walt Disney movie from the 50's. The Cloudburst part has something really familiar sound at the 3 minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc6XxSc1PfY&feature=related
Thoughts?
The similarity I hear is, chords go up, chords go down. That's all. Plus, the assumption that Brian saw the movie/heard the album is just that, assumption. Not impossible, but for now, file under "speculative".
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Supposedly the introduction to "California Girls" was inspired by Grofe's "Grand Canyon Suite".
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Re: Brian inspired by Frede Grofe?
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Cool, good find!
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Quote from: c-man on August 04, 2010, 03:07:48 AM
Supposedly the introduction to "California Girls" was inspired by Grofe's "Grand Canyon Suite".
No. It was the other way around. Don't mess with the Brian...
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The similarity I hear is, chords go up, chords go down. That's all. Plus, the assumption that Brian saw the movie/heard the album is just that, assumption. Not impossible, but for now, file under "speculative".
The main similarity I hear is in that siren-like string figure. The foreground stuff seems different.
But I will go out on a limb and say that Brian almost certainly heard the Grand Canyon Suite or some form of it. Mainly because it was the kind of middle-brow, "pops" classical that his parents would have loved. It was pretty ubiquitous in the culture over here, too. This isn't to say it necessarily influenced him, mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Canyon_Suite
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Anyone here read
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Quote from: The Heartical Don on August 04, 2010, 12:25:45 AM
It's not Frede. It's Ferde.
Oops. Must be going dyslexic
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on August 04, 2010, 09:13:18 AM
Anyone here read
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I was literally like
when you posted that until it suddenly hit me
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Quote from: hypehat on August 04, 2010, 02:32:40 PM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on August 04, 2010, 09:13:18 AM
Anyone here read
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I was literally like
when you posted that until it suddenly hit me
Sheer coincidence, of course... but a mildly spooky one.
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But I will go out on a limb and say that Brian almost certainly heard the Grand Canyon Suite or some form of it. Mainly because it was the kind of middle-brow, "pops" classical that his parents would have loved. It was pretty ubiquitous in the culture over here, too.
Also, for many years American public schools included music appreciation in the primary school curriculum (largely a victim of budget cuts these days). The Grand Canyon Suite, especially, was thought to be accessible to young listeners -- if nothing else, they could relate to the clip-clops of the tread of mules, etc. I know that we were exposed to it (no Bach, no Beethoven), with, I believe, a film strip to make it a multimedia experience. I would be surprised if Brian, too, did not hear it in school.
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whoa, very cool. the textures, intensity...really hits the spot. feel like ive heard this in other places too...lost perhaps?
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Quote from: Jonas on August 04, 2010, 05:38:38 PM
whoa, very cool. the textures, intensity...really hits the spot. feel like ive heard this in other places too...lost perhaps?
I have never heard this before, as far as I can tell. I had to turn it way up to hear this rather quiet section. Then the note at 3:10 almost made me hit the ceiling. I may need an electric shock to get my heartbeat back on track.
To be honest, I hear more of a resemblence to Revolution 9, than anything Smile related.
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