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« on: May 18, 2010, 01:03:58 PM »

Upon hearing "Here Today" for the first time, one of the first things that struck me about it was the little 'surf' guitar lick before the chorus kicks in. This riff is not unlike something The Ventures made popular. In fact, "Surfin' USA" also contained this little trick during the fade out. I wonder if Brian was using this 'gimmick' on a Pet Sounds track to be ironic or just because he liked the sound. Either way, it is probably my favorite thing about the entire song. Anyone else noticed this?
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2010, 01:28:43 PM »

I've absolutely noticed the riff. Killer. Never made the surf rock connection, but you're right -- it does sound similar to that kind of lick. I actually believe it's the bass playing it -- it goes so very high in the tension-building bridge, then it tumbles down for the chorus. A similar riff is in the instrumental break, too.
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2010, 01:56:23 PM »

You're right, Gurwood. It is the bass playing the lick. This is my favorite track from Pet Sounds. The bass line is one of my absolute favorites because
of the fact it goes in the higher register throughout (like Good Vibrations). While taking bass lessons this past year I learned that most bass players (at least in jazz)
like to use the higher register, especially when soloing. I don't know if this is something Carol (?) decided to do, or the way Brian wrote it (probably the latter). But I did notice
the surf guitar-esque sound in "Here Today". I don't know how it was put in, but it sounds great!
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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2010, 02:20:42 PM »

Sounds like the Chantays "Pipeline"-UK group from 1963, #16. This information is  from my forthcoming, yet to be titled book. LOL
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2010, 02:21:34 PM »

Come to think of it, there's two basses on "Here Today". Carol Kaye is playing the upper register notes on the electric bass while Lyle Ritz plays another part on the upright bass. Is it possible that one of the two guitarists on the track are doubling Carol's notes as well?
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2010, 04:00:05 PM »

I've always loved that part, but I never made the surf music connection either.  Good ear!
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2010, 05:39:01 PM »

That's just Brian's arrangements paying homage to the "surf" sound they started with. The same thing comes up in "Melt Away" to my ears: that echoed bass (?) guitar doing the arpeggiated notes. And the bass in "I'm So Young" especially. It does add a nice touch to "Here Today" also.
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2010, 05:43:58 PM »

Sounds like the Chantays "Pipeline"-UK group from 1963, #16. This information is  from my forthcoming, yet to be titled book. LOL

You know what sounds like the main melody from "Pipeline"? The little melody at that break right before the fade starts in "Til I Die"...about 1:28-1:35. Wonder if Brian was consciously quoting or it was just a coincidence.
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2010, 05:47:30 PM »

Sounds like the Chantays "Pipeline"-UK group from 1963, #16. This information is  from my forthcoming, yet to be titled book. LOL

Is the book about the Chantays, or the Beach Boys, or??
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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2010, 05:52:32 PM »

Sounds like the Chantays "Pipeline"-UK group from 1963, #16. This information is  from my forthcoming, yet to be titled book. LOL

Is the book about the Chantays, or the Beach Boys, or??
Or, as the laughing emoticon may hint, a joke...
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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2010, 07:42:03 PM »

I was banking on the emoticon killing the joke-good call Luther and sorry bgas.
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2010, 10:47:11 AM »

I'm certain oldsurferdude has it within him to write an epic, gushing Mike Love fan bio.  LOL
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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2010, 10:52:08 AM »

Sounds like the Chantays "Pipeline"-UK group from 1963, #16. This information is  from my forthcoming, yet to be titled book. LOL

You know what sounds like the main melody from "Pipeline"? The little melody at that break right before the fade starts in "Til I Die"...about 1:28-1:35. Wonder if Brian was consciously quoting or it was just a coincidence.


Great !! Never thought about that....
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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2010, 05:39:47 PM »

I'm certain oldsurferdude has it within him to write an epic, gushing Mike Love fan bio.  LOL

Or Mr Stebbons could write 'The Fake Beach Boy'
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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2010, 06:29:33 PM »

Maybe he kept going back to it just because he dug it.
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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2010, 10:14:22 PM »

Come to think of it, there's two basses on "Here Today". Carol Kaye is playing the upper register notes on the electric bass while Lyle Ritz plays another part on the upright bass. Is it possible that one of the two guitarists on the track are doubling Carol's notes as well?

Not Carol Kaye...Ray Pohlman.
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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2010, 10:47:52 PM »

Sounds like the Chantays "Pipeline"-UK group from 1963, #16. This information is  from my forthcoming, yet to be titled book. LOL

You know what sounds like the main melody from "Pipeline"? The little melody at that break right before the fade starts in "Til I Die"...about 1:28-1:35. Wonder if Brian was consciously quoting or it was just a coincidence.
Holy crap! You're right. I have heard this song thousands of times, and I have never made the connection. But now that you mentioned it, it is very obvious.
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« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2010, 12:19:42 AM »

Come to think of it, there's two basses on "Here Today". Carol Kaye is playing the upper register notes on the electric bass while Lyle Ritz plays another part on the upright bass. Is it possible that one of the two guitarists on the track are doubling Carol's notes as well?

Not Carol Kaye...Ray Pohlman.

AFM sheets and most recent issue of Pet Sounds liner notes state that it's Carol Kaye on "Here Today".

Ray plays on these PS tracks:
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times [electric bass]
Wouldn't It Be Nice [mandolin]
I Know There's An Answer (Hang On To Your Ego) [Electric bass]
God Only Knows [Danelectro bass]
I'm Waiting For The Day [guitar]
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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2010, 09:34:14 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2010, 08:02:57 AM »

Come to think of it, there's two basses on "Here Today". Carol Kaye is playing the upper register notes on the electric bass while Lyle Ritz plays another part on the upright bass. Is it possible that one of the two guitarists on the track are doubling Carol's notes as well?

Not Carol Kaye...Ray Pohlman.

AFM sheets and most recent issue of Pet Sounds liner notes state that it's Carol Kaye on "Here Today".

Ray plays on these PS tracks:
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times [electric bass]
Wouldn't It Be Nice [mandolin]
I Know There's An Answer (Hang On To Your Ego) [Electric bass]
God Only Knows [Danelectro bass]
I'm Waiting For The Day [guitar]


The Pet Sounds liner notes are very unreliable (for example there are no mandolins on Wouldn't It Be Nice), and I'm not sure what AFM sheet you're thinking of, but Blank No. 247440 for 11 March, 1966 at Sunset Sound for the "Here Today" session does not have Carol on it at all, in fact Ray Pohlman is the leader.  Just be careful when referencing documents--it's hard enough to get things straight.  Another example, Carl is playing 12-string guitar on IWFTD and Ray is in fact playing some sort of bass along with Carol.

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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2010, 11:37:59 AM »

No mandolins on WIBN?

I always thought they were doing that tremolo-ing on the 'You know it seems the more we talk about it...' section, so what instrument(s) is/are making that sound?
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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2010, 12:09:32 PM »

No mandolins on WIBN?

I always thought they were doing that tremolo-ing on the 'You know it seems the more we talk about it...' section, so what instrument(s) is/are making that sound?
Accordian according to everything I've read.
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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2010, 02:23:35 PM »

I am sure I detect some sort of mandolin-type string instrument during the part of the song that Sam also mentioned (in addition to accordions).
Perhaps it's a bouzouki?

It's easier to pick it out in the stereo mix. Sounds like it might just be the same instrument (guitar?) that opens up the track.
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2010, 04:12:02 PM »

2 accordians is all i hear. where in the stereo spectrum are you hearing the other instrument? i always love to hear things i've otherwise ignored!
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