Why isn't Martin Denny mentioned more in relation to Pet Sounds?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Agree/disagree: Capital purposefully underpromoted Brian's non-BBs productions to keep him working with the group.

Bear in mind that not all Brian's non-BB productions were on Capitol.

[Cam Mott]

Agree/disagree: Capital purposefully underpromoted Brian's non-BBs productions to keep him working with the group.

I disagree that whatever record company underpromoted any/most/some of Brian's non-BBs productions, at least after Brian had produced a hit for the BBs. It doesn't make sense first of all to me. And it has been too long but I believe if you look for it you can find the evidence of vigorous promotion, stuff like surveys showing airplay on radio, trade ads, Universal Soldier was even on national U.S. TV [Shindig, Hullabaloo?]. I think supposed underpromotion is probably a rumor/excuse started back in the day when it was considered an inconvenient truth that Brian couldn't buy a hit outside of the BBs either. Brian could co-write a song that was a hit outside of the BBs but he could not produce a hit outside of the BBs it seems to me.

Edit: I said it had been too long [get it?]. According to YOUTube it was "Guess I'm Dumb" that was on Shindig. Maybe Universal Soldier was too but it was GID of which I was thinking.

[Mark A. Moore]

The piece in Dumb Angel #4 — "The Marimba You Send Out, Returns To You" — was written by Tobias Bernsand and Brian Chidester. It explores the evolution of Exotica, from Les Baxter through Martin Denny and Arthur Lyman, and these composers' influence on Brian's "Pet Sounds" and "Smile" era music.

It also makes ties to Esquivel and Eden Ahbez. Great photo of BW and Ahbez in the studio, too.

M.

[bgas]

Agree/disagree: Capital purposefully underpromoted Brian's non-BBs productions to keep him working with the group.

I disagree that whatever record company underpromoted any/most/some of Brian's non-BBs productions, at least after Brian had produced a hit for the BBs. It doesn't make sense first of all to me. And it has been too long but I believe if you look for it you can find the evidence of vigorous promotion, stuff like surveys showing airplay on radio, trade ads, Universal Soldier was even on national U.S. TV [Shindig, Hullabaloo?]. I think supposed underpromotion is probably a rumor/excuse started back in the day when it was considered an inconvenient truth that Brian couldn't buy a hit outside of the BBs either. Brian could co-write a song that was a hit outside of the BBs but he could not produce a hit outside of the BBs it seems to me.

Edit: I said it had been too long [get it?]. According to YOUTube it was "Guess I'm Dumb" that was on Shindig. Maybe Universal Soldier was too but it was GID of which I was thinking.

What is "Universal Soldier" ?

[Mr. Cohen]

Just because "Guess I'm Dumb" was on national, doesn't mean it was promoted properly. Brian Wilson was all over TV for the Gerswhin project, and we see what happened there. "He's a Doll" is another song I'm surprised didn't at least chart.

[rab2591]

The piece in Dumb Angel #4 — "The Marimba You Send Out, Returns To You" — was written by Tobias Bernsand and Brian Chidester. It explores the evolution of Exotica, from Les Baxter through Martin Denny and Arthur Lyman, and these composers' influence on Brian's "Pet Sounds" and "Smile" era music.

It also makes ties to Esquivel and Eden Ahbez. Great photo of BW and Ahbez in the studio, too.

M.

Thanks! Anyone know where I can find a copy of the #4Dumb Angel for a reasonable price?

[Dunderhead]

yes anyone, i'd love to read that issue.