Beach Boys Mythbusters

[Shady]

Great post, great thread..

Can't believe I missed it too

[Emdeeh]

The second vocalist on "Summertime Blues" is David Marks.

[37!ws]

Then who is the "Nick"/"Nik" mentioned on the voice-over? In 14 years, it seems that everybody has turned a deaf ear to that and pretended that it's not there...I'm not saying it's NOT Dave, but what's the deal with that announcement?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Then who is the "Nick"/"Nik" mentioned on the voice-over? In 14 years, it seems that everybody has turned a deaf ear to that and pretended that it's not there...I'm not saying it's NOT Dave, but what's the deal with that announcement?

Nik Venet.

[37!ws]

Now, the next part of that question: why is his name on the announcement if he's not one of the vocalists?

[Mikie]

Myth Busssssssters!!!

[Mikie]

MYTH: The Beach Boys formed when Murry and Audree Wilson went on a trip to Mexico on Labor Day Weekend and the Wilson brothers rented instruments with money Murry an Audree left for them to buy food with.

There's a LOT of research that's been done subsequent to those Cabinessence board findings 10 years ago. Check out the thread elsewhere on THIS board for another comprehensive investigation on this subject. Good stuff!

[37!ws]

Okay, every Beach Boys fan and his duck knows Nik Venet produced the Surfin' Safari album (or, at least, was credited with it). But still....why was his name announced in the voice-over, implying he was the other vocalist besides Carl?

[Mikie]

Nik Venet produced the Surfin' Safari album. Or at least took credit for it. I think Brian was more involved in the production of the album than Nik was.

Listen to Nik on SOT Vol. 1. He's in the control booth in the studio at Capitol talking to the other guys. He says David, sporting a little beard, looks like Jesus. Brian can also be heard talking to Nik from the studio floor. This was first heard by collectors/fans back in 1998/1999 when the SOT's first started coming out. It's always been acknowledged that the voice on the talk-back was Nik's.

You know who the girl was on "County Fair", saying "C'mon, Nicky" don't you?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Nik Venet produced the Surfin' Safari album. Or at least took credit for it. I think Brian was more involved in the production of the album than Nik was.

Listen to Nik on SOT Vol. 1. He's in the control booth in the studio at Capitol talking to the other guys. He says David, sporting a little beard, looks like Jesus. Brian can also heard talking to Nik from the studio floor. This was first heard by collectors/fans back in 1998/1999 when the SOT's first started coming out. It's always been acknowledged that the voice on the talk-back was Nik's.

You know who the girl was on "County Fair", saying "C'mon, Nicky" don't you?

It would be a very little beard - on 9/6/62, David was 13 years and 15 days old. I think the "David" in question is the engineer.

"A voice-over during the session identifies one of the takes as being "with Carl and Ni[c]k,""

Actually the talk-back says "take six with Nick" - no mention of Carl.

[Mikie]

I was thinking the same thing when I typed that, AGD. I'm thinking David musta been wearing a fake beard to prompt Nik to say that. Jesus had a much longer, fuller beard than David could have grown at the time!  
Always thought the "David" he was talking to was David Marks.

[Bill M]

And there's no mention of Jesus in the AFM session reports for that date

[Carrie Marks]

It would be a very little beard - on 9/6/62, David was 13 years and 15 days old. I think the "David" in question is the engineer.

It was David Marks.  He [still] does this thing with a paint brush where he bends the bristles against his chin so it looks like a beard...he was doing it that day. 
 
Nik wasn't there all that often so Chuck was probably trying to get them through it  quickly "with Nik" in the control room before he split.

According to David, Carl joked that Nik took the Surfin' Safari album cover photo while hanging by his ankles from a helicopter because Nik was notorious for stretching  his credits.  Chances are, if he did vocals on a song there would have been record of it.  Besides, the vocal part sounds a lot like David and the way he pops his "B's" when he sings "Blues" And, he remembers standing at the mic with Carl when they sang it.

[Andrew G. Doe]

It would be a very little beard - on 9/6/62, David was 13 years and 15 days old. I think the "David" in question is the engineer.

It was David Marks.  He [still] does this thing with a paint brush where he bends the bristles against his chin so it looks like a beard...he was doing it that day. 
 
Nik wasn't there all that often so Chuck was probably trying to get them through it  quickly "with Nik" in the control room before he split.

According to David, Carl joked that Nik took the Surfin' Safari album cover photo while hanging by his ankles from a helicopter because Nik was notorious for stretching  his credits.  Chances are, if he did vocals on a song there would have been record of it.  Besides, the vocal part sounds a lot like David and the way he pops his "B's" when he sings "Blues" And, he remembers standing at the mic with Carl when they sang it.

Not Chuck, Carrie - these tracks were cut at Capitol studio. 

[Carrie Marks]

Not Chuck, Carrie - these tracks were cut at Capitol studio. 

My bad.  When I was grilling David about those other sessions we were talking about earlier, he got annoyed when I asked what studio certain songs were recorded in because 'we did everything in Western 3.'  Of course, the exception would be the very next topic of discussion. 

[rogerlancelot]

"The problem is that it was reported by Doug Sulpy in his book about the Get Back sessions, and because Doug Sulpy is a highly respected author (and deservingly so), many fans want to take his word as gospel."

What? Doug Sulpy is a highly respected author? The one book I have of his ("Get Back") is complete garbage. And his message board is full of grumpy old men who complain ad nauseum about the Rock Band game or have discussions about how every solo Beatles album sucked. f*** them. I don't hang out with assholes like those twits!

But I really did enjoy your post!

 

[B-Rex]

Myth: galotale--a story about a wayward, surfing rooster who loses a wing while attempting to save his brother from drowning and learns to drum
          with his tail feathers.  (it's rumoured that no hens were harmed in filming...if it actually had been filmed)

Fact:  galotale--the story of a young man's journey through the islets of langerhans and sin, featuring the Beach Boys' Kokomo and Weird Al's    
          Pancreas.

What the hell is a galotale/galotail and why does the program  change the proper word?

[37!ws]

Buttock -- you liked my post? Good. Then tell me why the voice-over on "Summertime Blues" sez "with Ni[c]k." 

[Mikie]

Buttock -- you liked my post? Good.

That's funny!   

[Andrew G. Doe]

Buttock -- you liked my post? Good. Then tell me why the voice-over on "Summertime Blues" sez "with Ni[c]k." 

Because he does. That's all. Because... he does.

[onkster]

Charlie's Left Buttock--you nailed it on the head re Sulky! (I mean, Sulpy.) I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. What a negative place that was.

[rab2591]

MYTH: Van Dyke Parks was once a child actor, and he played Tommy Manicotti on the TV show The Honeymooners.

Yes, Parks was a child actor, but no, he did not play Tommy Manicotti on the classic Gleason show. That credit goes to Ralph Robertson, who also played a character named Johnny Bennett. Coincidentally, though, Van Dyke Parks and an actor named Ralph Robertson both guest-starred on Campbell Playhouse a few months apart; however, imdb.com lists two different Ralph Robertsons, and it's unclear which Ralph Robertson this was. (Thanks, Aegir!)

http://www.popcultureclassics.com/van_dyke_parks.html

According to this interview, done just last year, Van Dyke Parks says himself that he was on the show and gives an anecdote about Jackie Gleason picking him for the part.

[37!ws]

Okay, then if that's indeed true (remember, Carol Kaye has similar anecdotes for several sessions she, uhh...played...on), then it wasn't one of the "classic 39" episodes (and The Honeymooners isn't listed in his IMDB entry). If he did indeed was on The Honeymooners, it was in the "lost 75" episodes that were part of The Jackie Gleason Show or Cavalcade of Stars...especially because he says he has the "transfers of the kinescopes." The actual stand-alone The Honeymooners series was filmed. The other 75 were on kinescope.

[Mike's Beard]

I wish they'd make a sitcom today about a husband that constantly threatens to beat up his wife.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Hal Blaine claims he drummed on "Surfin' USA". However, in his autobiog, the first two lines of the BB chaper are:

"My first session with The Beach Boys was in early '63. We did a record called "Oll Olly Oxen Free".

Which was a Honeys sessions, and took place July 24 1963, a few weeks after the Surfer Girl session he did first play for Brian on.

I believe the phrase is 'hoist by his own petard.'