Weezers Pinkerton

[Chris D.]

no, kidz brian is a phucking genius.

I'm older than you.

[Fantastico!]

this is phuckin hilarious. weezer is just okay. eminem is waaaay more talented. which isn't saying much. the day the music died lately was when kurt played the ultimate chickenshyat. selfishasshole. gee, come to think of it, that does in a lot of great collaborative art. the bb's/bw attractive to whiner types? wounded types? follower in the mom's basement types? that's pretty pathetic. no, kidz brian is a phucking genius. this dismembered psyche crap that seems to follow brian around is really sad. geesus, all you musician types. get off the computer and find your own voice. don't sit around worshipping someone. the *only* reason i come here is for the times that the principals post. thank you stephen!!! i think i'll go have a drink with mike vosse. lata.

light a match.

[Billgoodman]

I've been doing lot's of research on Rivers'songs lately
not in a detailed musical way
no analysis of chord patterns
but more in general terms
and it struck me that
for Maladriot and even more for Make Believe
ton's of songs were demoed and even properly recorded
but that none of them were released as a b-side
weezer singles were great till the Green Album
you could hear songs that were so great that you
couldn't come up with a single reason why they were left of their records
(IJTOTLOMD anybody? I Do? Always?Mykel and Carli?You gave your love to me softly?)
after that it was downhill on the B-side front (lot's of singles released though, even smash hits)
Do we really need another live version of Island in the Sun?
Why don't chip in a Prodigy Lover? Excellent song
why not How Long?

I think Rivers or maybe some A&R simply started to either don't care about B-sides or
didn't think the audience wanted to hear rare songs (how fodaing wrong can you be?)
I don't want to over generalise things, but isn't it fair to say
that the Blue and Pinkerton-period and to some lesser extent the Green period
were interesting on the B-side front and you can see that as a small part of the overal Weezer histroy
which also declined musically from those years

[Mitchell]

I agree. One of the things that was so great about 'Blue/Pinkerton weezer' was the fact that even their b-sides were great. From that era, there were 20 album tracks, plus another 8-10 b-sides and all of it was great stuff. When it came to Green, as you said, they were still doing well in that department. I think the problem started when they had too many songs to choose from and the songs weren't up to a high level of quality. As for why they don't release b-sides now, I have no idea!

[Billgoodman]

It seems that This Is Such A Pity is going to be the 4th single of Make Believe
let's see what that brings
I guess a remix of Island in the Sun mashed with Beverly Hills. Yes, I'm bitter

[andy]

The problem is that Rivers doesn't want to release any more new material than he has to to Geffen. He doesn't want them owning any more than they already do, so we're Island In The Sun live and the Beverly Hills urbanix mix instead.

[andy]

I really hope Pity becomes the 4th single, and I hope they give it the support it deserves. But I'm skeptical.


Well, nm..It is the 4th single!

[Mitchell]

I was watching VCD last night. What happened to that different version of Island in the Sun? It has a really cool solo leading into the chorus, but that's all you hear. It's during the Stoopid Fresh part.

[andy]

That solo is from a different song. Karl spliced the two songs together..and I can't think of the name of that other song.

[Billgoodman]

The problem is that Rivers doesn't want to release any more new material than he has to to Geffen. He doesn't want them owning any more than they already do, so we're Island In The Sun live and the Beverly Hills urbanix mix instead.

this is a good point
weezer owes geffen one new album
right?
The should definately sign with Matador or Domino rec.
or another big Indie company after they fullfill their contract

[Mitchell]

That solo is from a different song. Karl spliced the two songs together..and I can't think of the name of that other song.

Ah, the things I don't know! Too bad.

[andy]

The problem is that Rivers doesn't want to release any more new material than he has to to Geffen. He doesn't want them owning any more than they already do, so we're Island In The Sun live and the Beverly Hills urbanix mix instead.

this is a good point
weezer owes geffen one new album
right?
The should definately sign with Matador or Domino rec.
or another big Indie company after they fullfill their contract

Two albums, I think. Hopefully they stay together long enough to get out of their contract so we can hear some of this other stuff.

[Billgoodman]

The problem is that Rivers doesn't want to release any more new material than he has to to Geffen. He doesn't want them owning any more than they already do, so we're Island In The Sun live and the Beverly Hills urbanix mix instead.

this is a good point
weezer owes geffen one new album
right?
The should definately sign with Matador or Domino rec.
or another big Indie company after they fullfill their contract

Actually I don't really care about Weezer as a band, I would prefer Cuomo solo if that means
he will do songs like Longtime Sunshine and Private Message with Pinkerton production
alone in his bedroom with all the weird instruments he can find.


Two albums, I think. Hopefully they stay together long enough to get out of their contract so we can hear some of this other stuff.

[Billgoodman]

as if I could live on words and dreams and a million screams ohh how I need a hand in mine to feel

I'm no Emo kid, but that has feeling, that's emotion. That's 'how deep is the ocean?',
that's not: What's the deal with my brain, why am I so obviously insane?
It's a bad lyric and musically it doesn't even fit. Timbre-wise

as you know I'm quite familair with Weezer demo's and the early album 5 demos (who all got scrapped)
from 2002, show more emotion, clever music and lyrics than all the songs of Make Believe together.
Ever heard Lullaby? When I heard that, I thought that Weezer/Cuomo was on it's way back to Longtime Sunshine.
Foda Geffen, and let's hope Rivers will ever do this sort of stuff again (or release this)

[Billgoodman]

I want to make clear that the bad lyric was from Perfect Situation and not Across the Sea (one of the best Weezer songs)
Perfect Situation is decent, btw. Not good, though

[Daniel S.]

I bought Pinkerton a few years ago, because I'd heard good things about it, gave it a listen and really didn't like it. Because of this board I have listened to it again, from start to finish, several times and I really can't get into it. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean anything, but I like to think I can appreciate if something is great even if its not my cup of tea. Pinkerton is just so by the numbers and generic. It sounds like whiny punk, the sort of thing you can get from Green Day or Blink 182 and other bands I hate. Sorry, I don't mean to rain on your parade.

[Billgoodman]

the lyrics are way better than Blink's
maybe even the Make Believe-era lyrics

As for Green Day, I think Rivers can write better and certainly play better.
But I get your point. It's still punkrock to some extend

[jdavolt]

the lyrics are way better than Blink's

So is the music.

[Daniel S.]

Weezer is definitely better than Blink 182. But I consider Blink 182 to be a complete embarrasment to rock music.

[Jonas]

Weezer is definitely better than Blink 182. But I consider Blink 182 to be a complete embarrasment to rock music.

replace rock with punk...

[andy]

What do you think is generic about Pinkerton?

[Daniel S.]

It just sounds like all the other 90's "college radio" , "indie rock" drivel.

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

It just sounds like all the other 90's "college radio" , "indie rock" drivel.

In what respect?  You have to back up your claims. 

[Mitchell]

I'm surprised that anyone can call Falling for You, Across the Sea, and Pink Triangle generic.

[jdavolt]

Yeah, Heywood. I would suggest you go listen to "Across the Sea", but you're not worthy of it.