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« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2009, 03:38:46 AM »

Isn't being a 'serious fan' a male thing in itself? I know no woman who is a collector, a hoarder, a completist in pop music.

How many Boyzone/Take That/Daniel O'Donnell fans tend to be men? The tea making gender can certainly hoard and collect as much as anyone...

LOL, you certainly got me there... although these complete collections won't last for very long, a little voice says to me.
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« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2009, 09:02:36 AM »

I suspect they don't collect Boyzone outtakes!
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« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2009, 12:01:43 PM »

Steve Levine?

This is silly and probably not important.  My wife has no time for the BB.  I don't really know any women who do (except for one who's gay!); most of my male friends like their music, though some aren't what you'd call fans.  None of them, however, have much time for 22 minute c*ck rock guitar solos (not that there's anything wrong with that) , though that's not to say they don't like the odd solo per se... I think the image of BW struggling with his masculinity could be refined, perhaps, to one of him struggling with the stereotypical conception of masculinity.

I've often wondered about the (stereotypical) 'rock' fan's distaste for BW's music and wondered if it's because the majority isn't guitar-derived.  At best, BW and DW were striving for 'something else' outside of the genre but with many recognisable generic elements.

You may be on to something.  Perhaps the hard rocker fan is compensating for his own uncertainties regarding sexual identity.
Or as you say, struggling with stereotypical concepts of masculinity.  Freudian psychologists refers to this sort of thing as a Reaction Formation..an ego defense mechanism employed unconciously .  The holier than thou type who secretly harbours sinful thoughts, the guy who behaves in an overtly masculine manner to hide his sensitive side.....etc.
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« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2009, 12:08:28 PM »

Isn't being a 'serious fan' a male thing in itself? I know no woman who is a collector, a hoarder, a completist in pop music. Women tend to:

1. not being positive about a big hi-fi set in the living room;

2. asking frequently: 'don't you have enough CD's by now?'.

As for point (1), hi-fi buffs have coined the acronym: WAF (wife acceptance factor). A mini-all-in-one set will do fine, esp. if it's in pink. All other sets will inevitably lead to divorce.

HA HA! Love your posts, Don! The truth is here in my household, my wife loves to have the best hi-fi stuff (in our living room, our bedroom and her car) and she has a huge music collection. She also likes the Beach Boys and she has had me make BB compilations for her. But her choice of material ("Tears In The Morning" for instance) might be different to most of the male members here. Most of her collection is the typical "classic" rock with a few "newer" bands as well. No rap thank you!
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« Reply #54 on: December 10, 2009, 12:32:54 PM »



I've often wondered about the (stereotypical) 'rock' fan's distaste for BW's music and wondered if it's because the majority isn't guitar-derived. 

Sometimes I wonder if age and maturity are also factors (along with insecurity about masculinity) in people's taste for macho guitar-based hard rock vs. more "effeminate" sounding music and/or music based around any other instrument than the guitar.
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« Reply #55 on: December 10, 2009, 03:49:27 PM »

"Perhaps the hard rocker fan is compensating for his own uncertainties regarding sexual identity."

As a hard rock/punk/heavy metal/industrial fan myself, I must say that the aforementioned description is not only ludicrous, but a goshdarn fucking ridiculous thing to say. It's nothing to do with anyone's uncertainties regarding their sexual identity. It's called "you like it or you don't".

Maybe it DOES matter if you're black or white...
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« Reply #56 on: December 10, 2009, 04:57:51 PM »

I've always thought Carl was a little gay.



I mean, come on.
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« Reply #57 on: December 10, 2009, 05:41:42 PM »

RBB -- something to that, especially considering the whole gay punk scene (knew quite a few of them in college). Not a lot of confusion about identity there.

And the Carl Wilson album is kind of a cheap shot -- he's just trying his best to look smoldering. Sadly only one Wilson male could pull that off.
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« Reply #58 on: December 10, 2009, 07:20:42 PM »



I've often wondered about the (stereotypical) 'rock' fan's distaste for BW's music and wondered if it's because the majority isn't guitar-derived. 

Sometimes I wonder if age and maturity are also factors (along with insecurity about masculinity) in people's taste for macho guitar-based hard rock vs. more "effeminate" sounding music and/or music based around any other instrument than the guitar.
Nah, it's you that just don't like "crap like Led Zeppelin". Of, now I begin to wonder how much you HATE that kind of music.  Smiley
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« Reply #59 on: December 10, 2009, 08:03:08 PM »

When I was playing some Beach Boys songs, some other people said they sounded gay, probably refering to Brian's falsetto. Although, I am sure that is not what you are talking about. I have always thought one of the gayest sounding groups is Queen. Of course I know the singer was.

On another note, imagine Mike Love singing 'Too Sexy for My Shirt'!
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« Reply #60 on: December 10, 2009, 09:08:25 PM »

I've always thought Carl was a little gay.



I mean, come on.

time to compare them...

   


   
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« Reply #61 on: December 11, 2009, 01:28:25 AM »

I've always thought Carl was a little gay.



I mean, come on.

time to compare them...

   


   


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« Reply #62 on: December 11, 2009, 01:58:12 AM »

Isn't being a 'serious fan' a male thing in itself? I know no woman who is a collector, a hoarder, a completist in pop music. Women tend to:

1. not being positive about a big hi-fi set in the living room;

2. asking frequently: 'don't you have enough CD's by now?'.

As for point (1), hi-fi buffs have coined the acronym: WAF (wife acceptance factor). A mini-all-in-one set will do fine, esp. if it's in pink. All other sets will inevitably lead to divorce.

My wife's an exception. She's just as much of a collector as I am, and has "heard" various "outtakes" of artists that may (or may not) include Stone Temple Pilots, Daniel Johnston, Pink Floyd, 2Pac,and others.
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« Reply #63 on: December 11, 2009, 09:09:42 AM »

I think it depends on whether you are a diehard fan....male or female.  Men tend to get more into the technical and such....like recording techniques and recording dates and stats.  Its like guys and cars or technical stuff.  Its how many cubic inches, carbon fiber, gigabytes or what ever.  Women, as with many things, and there are exceptions to stereotypes certainly, tend to lean toward the esthetics and social.  My wife likes cars becasue of the look, style I like them ofroboth style and performance attributes.  My wife likes music usyually because she can relate to the performer and what the singer or song is saying.  Me too but also interested in guitar styles, reverb, nuances such as that.

It is the difference between men and women generally.  Men's brains are dosed with testosterone at 10 weeks gestation and they are forever on unequal footing with women.
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« Reply #64 on: December 11, 2009, 04:37:24 PM »

I've always thought Carl was a little gay.



I mean, come on.

The only thing missing from this picture is a bottle of cheap cider and a park bench, Carl looks like a homeless dude in this. Not one of his best...
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« Reply #65 on: December 11, 2009, 05:32:50 PM »

I've always thought Carl was a little gay.



I mean, come on.

The only thing missing from this picture is a bottle of cheap cider and a park bench, Carl looks like a homeless dude in this. Not one of his best...
He looks like every hipster dude in Portland.
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« Reply #66 on: December 11, 2009, 05:39:56 PM »

Maine or Oregon?
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« Reply #67 on: December 11, 2009, 05:54:47 PM »

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« Reply #68 on: December 12, 2009, 10:13:02 AM »



I've often wondered about the (stereotypical) 'rock' fan's distaste for BW's music and wondered if it's because the majority isn't guitar-derived. 

Sometimes I wonder if age and maturity are also factors (along with insecurity about masculinity) in people's taste for macho guitar-based hard rock vs. more "effeminate" sounding music and/or music based around any other instrument than the guitar.
Nah, it's you that just don't like "crap like Led Zeppelin". Of, now I begin to wonder how much you HATE that kind of music.  Smiley
I guess you're right. And yeah, I do hate Zeppelin (and most other c*ck rock) with a passion.
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« Reply #69 on: December 12, 2009, 10:49:44 AM »

Perhaps this is one of the profound shortcomings of this music. It doesn't relate to an entire sensual side of human experience that so much other music does. But perhaps that's also what makes it special -- and relates it to an earlier era of sexless vocal harmony groups and Lawrence Walk arrangements -- an idealization of music as something in and of itself, more beautiful that any human passion or individual orientation.

In an age of endless Lady Gagas, Adam Lamberts, Shakiras, etc etc etc, I love and appreciate where Brian's head is/was at concerning the topic of love relationships as expressed in music.  I think you put it very well here.               
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« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2009, 07:47:49 AM »

Totally agree: surely Brian Wilson has a more "classical" sensibility than many would give credit for. I'm thinking of a tune such as "Sweet Mountain" which isn't totally sexless, but which is certainly more "nuanced"
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« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2009, 10:54:18 AM »

Maine or Oregon?
Are there hipsters in maine?!!
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« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2009, 06:52:51 PM »

Good point. GO DUCKS!
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« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2009, 07:46:07 AM »

Good point. GO DUCKS!

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