Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!

[dwtherealbb]

after reading some of Heroes and Villains and seeing "An American Family" (accuracy notwithstanding) it made me realize: Were the beach boys doomed from the start? It seems that even when they got started there was too much crap in their personal lives going on and the fact that most of them were family members only exacerbated it.

[Myk Luhv]

they were a dysfunctional family that became a dysfunctional band and this turned into a dysfunctional career. great music though!

[Cabinessenceking]

Check out the Gigs & Sessions section on 10452, which details, where possible, Brian's presence at all shows since 1961 (yes, he was skipping shows as early as 1963). His last show with the band before the 2012 Grammys was September 8th 1996 in Chicago. Prior to that, his presence was increasingly sporadic. Here's a rundown from 1980:

1980     77   61
1981   112   all
1982   142   69
1983   124   44
1984   106     2
1985     97     4
1986   108     2
1987   147   18
1988   144   11
1989   109      7
1990   107     9
1991   116     0
1992     81     0
1993   104     0
1994      69   0
1995     96     4
1996     70     3

 Interesting. I assumed Brian was playing more shows with the band in the middle 80's, even though he was not present at any of the concerts I attended  1983-93.  

 I saw him solo in the 2000's, but in fact last year was the FIRST time I ever saw Brian Wilson play with the band! Makes me realize again what a truly special year 2012 was for The Beach Boys.  (As fans we always want more, but really let's be grateful for what we got...C50 2012 was a small miracle.)

 1981...what a slog that must have been.

I guess Brian was very reluctant to touring after Dennis died.....as if he needed another reason to not tour.

[Myk Luhv]

Did Brian ever hang out with Cheech and/or Chong?

[dwtherealbb]

in the "American Family" movie, does anyone know what song is playing when Mike and Dennis are in their cars on the beach making out with some girls? Its from like the first fifteen minutes.

[wantsomecorn]

Check out the Gigs & Sessions section on 10452, which details, where possible, Brian's presence at all shows since 1961 (yes, he was skipping shows as early as 1963). His last show with the band before the 2012 Grammys was September 8th 1996 in Chicago. Prior to that, his presence was increasingly sporadic. Here's a rundown from 1980:

1980     77   61 - 79.2%
1981   112   all - 100%
1982   142   69 - 48.6%
1983   124   44 - 35.5%
1984   106     2 - 1.9%
1985     97     4 - 4.1%
1986   108     2 - 1.6%
1987   147   18 - 12.3%
1988   144   11 - 7.6%
1989   109      7 - 6.4%
1990   107     9 - 8.4%
1991   116     0
1992     81     0
1993   104     0
1994      69   0
1995     96     4 - 4.2%
1996     70     3 - 4.3%

Just added a useless statistic to that data: percentages are fun!

[Don Malcolm]

If you can wait till June-the book I worked on with Jon Stebbins will go into a lot of detail about the topic of Brian and shows he played or didn't play.  Check out this link to see info on the book:  http://beachboysconcert.halleonardbooks.com/

Ian, thanks for the heads-up. Remember though, that both the BBs and their fans "can't wait for June"... 

[modestmaus]

Not really a real question but more of an observation that came about from listening to the SOT Smiley Smile:

Maybe my ears & memory are mixing up melodies but I do believe the melody being played during the bridge of the Smiley version of "Wonderful" is the Bicycle Rider Theme, right? I'm pretty darn positive it is and if so, oh my god. And even if we're 'supposed to' consider Smile and Smiley Smile separate from each other it makes me wonder if towards the end of the sessions Brian was considering working "Bicycle Rider" into the Smile version of "Wonderful".

[cablegeddon]

You still belive in me 1:20-1:30 "so faithfully" is really off-key right? Is this one of the big off-key moments in Beach boys discography?

[zachrwolfe]

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[cablegeddon]

You still belive in me 1:20-1:30 "so faithfully" is really off-key right? Is this one of the big off-key moments in Beach boys discography?

I'd hardly say "really" off key. Sounds to me like one of the doubles go a little bit sharp. Never really noticed it until you mentioned it though, don't think it's really that bad. You are referring to the original recording on PS, right?

Right and I'm panning left and right and my sound system is bad anyway and I get an isolated Brian Wilson. To my ears he is 100% off key on "so faithfully"

[The Shift]

Not really a real question but more of an observation that came about from listening to the SOT Smiley Smile:

Maybe my ears & memory are mixing up melodies but I do believe the melody being played during the bridge of the Smiley version of "Wonderful" is the Bicycle Rider Theme, right? I'm pretty darn positive it is and if so, oh my god. And even if we're 'supposed to' consider Smile and Smiley Smile separate from each other it makes me wonder if towards the end of the sessions Brian was considering working "Bicycle Rider" into the Smile version of "Wonderful".

Agree, has always been that way to these ears. And to these ears the closest thing to it is what we've come to know as the Vegetables tag employed in the new mix for TSS…

Curiouser and curiouser, said Alice…

[cablegeddon]

Not really a real question but more of an observation that came about from listening to the SOT Smiley Smile:

Maybe my ears & memory are mixing up melodies but I do believe the melody being played during the bridge of the Smiley version of "Wonderful" is the Bicycle Rider Theme, right? I'm pretty darn positive it is and if so, oh my god. And even if we're 'supposed to' consider Smile and Smiley Smile separate from each other it makes me wonder if towards the end of the sessions Brian was considering working "Bicycle Rider" into the Smile version of "Wonderful".

Agree, has always been that way to these ears. And to these ears the closest thing to it is what we've come to know as the Vegetables tag employed in the new mix for TSS…

Curiouser and curiouser, said Alice…

Alice Cooper?

[modestmaus]

Not really a real question but more of an observation that came about from listening to the SOT Smiley Smile:

Maybe my ears & memory are mixing up melodies but I do believe the melody being played during the bridge of the Smiley version of "Wonderful" is the Bicycle Rider Theme, right? I'm pretty darn positive it is and if so, oh my god. And even if we're 'supposed to' consider Smile and Smiley Smile separate from each other it makes me wonder if towards the end of the sessions Brian was considering working "Bicycle Rider" into the Smile version of "Wonderful".

Agree, has always been that way to these ears. And to these ears the closest thing to it is what we've come to know as the Vegetables tag employed in the new mix for TSS…

Curiouser and curiouser, said Alice…

I'm beginning to think of the Bicycle Rider theme as Smile's "Shortnin' Bread" riff.  

[SMiLE Brian]

Brian probably still plays it when he is home alone.

[modestmaus]

Brian probably still plays it when he is home alone.

Probably!

Oh man, this whole thing gets crazier and crazier (and pretty awesome too!). It's also now hit me that "Gettin' Hungry" uses the 'the heroes the heroes the heroes an' uh villains' melody. Wow.  

[lance]

Who created this board?

And please, no sarcastic responses...

This board was not created, but it evolved from another board.

[halblaineisgood]

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[Andrew G. Doe]

in the "American Family" movie, does anyone know what song is playing when Mike and Dennis are in their cars on the beach making out with some girls? Its from like the first fifteen minutes.

Concensus is, it was written specifically for the movie. No proof, mind, but likewise, no credit at the end.

[hypehat]

Not really a real question but more of an observation that came about from listening to the SOT Smiley Smile:

Maybe my ears & memory are mixing up melodies but I do believe the melody being played during the bridge of the Smiley version of "Wonderful" is the Bicycle Rider Theme, right? I'm pretty darn positive it is and if so, oh my god. And even if we're 'supposed to' consider Smile and Smiley Smile separate from each other it makes me wonder if towards the end of the sessions Brian was considering working "Bicycle Rider" into the Smile version of "Wonderful".

In the book for The Smile Sessions, there's a tape box photo which explicitly links the music from H&V, the Vegetables fade and Wonderful. Who knows if Brian wrote it, but there it is!

[MrRobinsonsFather]

What year did Elvis and Brian meet?
for some reason I think of 1969

[halblaineisgood]

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[Puggal]

What is that voice saying at 2:16 in the mono I Just Wasn't Made For These Times? Also does anyone know what that "futuristic noise" that comes in at about 0:05?

[LetHimRun]

What is that voice saying at 2:16 in the mono I Just Wasn't Made For These Times? Also does anyone know what that "futuristic noise" that comes in at about 0:05?

The sound at 5 seconds is a tape being rewound by accident. I'm not sure about what is said at the 2:16 second mark of the mono version.

[Micha]

What is that voice saying at 2:16 in the mono I Just Wasn't Made For These Times? Also does anyone know what that "futuristic noise" that comes in at about 0:05?

The sound at 5 seconds is a tape being rewound by accident. I'm not sure about what is said at the 2:16 second mark of the mono version.

I can't hear a rewound tape at 0:05, the only sound I detect there is a fuzz guitar or bass, but that's at many more spots throughout the arrangement, not just at 0:05. The voice seems to say "Sssst."