Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!

[smile-holland]

Was WGL on the album(s) itself, or was it just listed on the back cover?

Just listed.

[bgas]

Concerning the booklet that was to be made for the Holland album, were there any prints made up for it?

Like the Smile booklets and prints of the Holland album with We Got Love listed on the tracklisting.

Don't know how many copies circulate of that Holland promotional booklet, but seeing that it's offered regularly on Ebay my guess is it's not that rare (but definitely worth buying!)

I think only a few (original) SMiLE booklets survived.
Holland albums that have We Got Love listed on the back sleeve: as far as I know only Canadian and French pressings contain that error. I'm not sure if there's only a small amount of Canadian pressings that have that error. It's being offered regularly, so my guess is that a lot of these were made. And I have yet to discover a French pressing without WGL being listed.

As far as I can tell, EVERY Canadian copy has WGL listed on the cover; none have ever surfaced without it. ( tho sellers will try and tell you they're rare; "let the buyer beware")

 Likewise, I've been told there are French covers without  it, but again, I've never seen any evidence.

As to SMiLE booklets, I'm fairly certain the number is currently thought to be 10-15 worldwide, including the art department mockup(s). OF course, some Capitol employee could have kept a whole bag of them out of the landfill for themself, but there's no evidence for that.

Never seen a "real" number for the Holland booklets, but I'd think at least a thousand or two. Mikie probably has 20-30 or them...  It should be noted , of course, that unlike the SMiLE booklet (that was manufactured to be included in the LP) the Holland booklet was strictly a promo item, and never intended to be included with the LP.

[punkinhead]

Concerning the booklet that was to be made for the Holland album, were there any prints made up for it?

Like the Smile booklets and prints of the Holland album with We Got Love listed on the tracklisting.

Don't know how many copies circulate of that Holland promotional booklet, but seeing that it's offered regularly on Ebay my guess is it's not that rare (but definitely worth buying!)

I think only a few (original) SMiLE booklets survived.
Holland albums that have We Got Love listed on the back sleeve: as far as I know only Canadian and French pressings contain that error. I'm not sure if there's only a small amount of Canadian pressings that have that error. It's being offered regularly, so my guess is that a lot of these were made. And I have yet to discover a French pressing without WGL being listed.

As far as I can tell, EVERY Canadian copy has WGL listed on the cover; none have ever surfaced without it. ( tho sellers will try and tell you they're rare; "let the buyer beware")

 Likewise, I've been told there are French covers without  it, but again, I've never seen any evidence.

As to SMiLE booklets, I'm fairly certain the number is currently thought to be 10-15 worldwide, including the art department mockup(s). OF course, some Capitol employee could have kept a whole bag of them out of the landfill for themself, but there's no evidence for that.

Never seen a "real" number for the Holland booklets, but I'd think at least a thousand or two. Mikie probably has 20-30 or them...  It should be noted , of course, that unlike the SMiLE booklet (that was manufactured to be included in the LP) the Holland booklet was strictly a promo item, and never intended to be included with the LP.

You know what's next to the Smile booklets in the landfill, right?

[punkinhead]

Concerning the booklet that was to be made for the Holland album, were there any prints made up for it?

Like the Smile booklets and prints of the Holland album with We Got Love listed on the tracklisting.

Don't know how many copies circulate of that Holland promotional booklet, but seeing that it's offered regularly on Ebay my guess is it's not that rare (but definitely worth buying!)

I think only a few (original) SMiLE booklets survived.
Holland albums that have We Got Love listed on the back sleeve: as far as I know only Canadian and French pressings contain that error. I'm not sure if there's only a small amount of Canadian pressings that have that error. It's being offered regularly, so my guess is that a lot of these were made. And I have yet to discover a French pressing without WGL being listed.

As far as I can tell, EVERY Canadian copy has WGL listed on the cover; none have ever surfaced without it. ( tho sellers will try and tell you they're rare; "let the buyer beware")

 Likewise, I've been told there are French covers without  it, but again, I've never seen any evidence.

As to SMiLE booklets, I'm fairly certain the number is currently thought to be 10-15 worldwide, including the art department mockup(s). OF course, some Capitol employee could have kept a whole bag of them out of the landfill for themself, but there's no evidence for that.

Never seen a "real" number for the Holland booklets, but I'd think at least a thousand or two. Mikie probably has 20-30 or them...  It should be noted , of course, that unlike the SMiLE booklet (that was manufactured to be included in the LP) the Holland booklet was strictly a promo item, and never intended to be included with the LP.

You know what's next to the Smile booklets in the landfill, right?

cartridges for E.T. the video game for Atari. 

[bgas]

wrong era

[punkinhead]

wrong era

eh, so the Smile books were a little decrepit by the time E.T. was thrown in there, still a fun joke

[SMiLE Brian]

Whats the story behind the song "our team"?

[punkinhead]

What's everyone's preferred order of sections for Child is the Father of the Man?


As much as Ilove the slow piano section/part (right before Surf's Up on BWPS); hearing it as one of the first parts (a verse perhaps) on the sessions seems so right too.

[rab2591]

California Girls has been released at different speeds for many different releases:

The 2001 stereo remix is a bit slower than the mono mix as heard on 'Summer Days and Summer Nights'

The Stack-O-Tracks version is slower than the stereo remix but faster than the mono version.

(I was trying to make a mix using all three of these versions - but I noticed that each version had a pitch variation - so I lined all three of the tracks up perfectly at the head of the track in Logic, then I realized that they didn't all match up at the organ solo near the end...)

If they transfer these recordings directly from the tape, why are some versions slower/faster than others? And what version is the correct speed?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Whats the story behind the song "our team"?

Recorded at MIU, late 1977.

[punkinhead]

Whats the story behind the song "our team"?

Recorded at MIU, late 1977.

What a story!...and the investigation comes to a close.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Sometimes simple is best - you can have too much detail.

[SMiLE Brian]

Whats the story behind the song "our team"?

Recorded at MIU, late 1977.

Makes sense because it has the feel of a lazy MIU song.

[puni puni]

Are the stereo remixes on the Warm Of The Sun compilation faked? Some of the tracks seem... off. Namely, All Summer Long and Let Him Run Wild.

In LHRW's case, I'm leaning toward it being a bad mix.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Are the stereo remixes on the Warm Of The Sun compilation faked? Some of the tracks seem... off. Namely, All Summer Long and Let Him Run Wild.

In LHRW's case, I'm leaning toward it being a bad mix.

No.

[Ebb and Flow]

Are the stereo remixes on the Warm Of The Sun compilation faked? Some of the tracks seem... off. Namely, All Summer Long and Let Him Run Wild.

"All Summer Long" is basically what a Chuck Britz stereo mix ca. 1964 would have sounded like...backing track in stereo and the vocals in the center.  Like many of the songs remixed for Pet Sounds, "Let Him Run Wild" is created from the three-track backing track synced with the vocals recorded at Columbia.

In LHRW's case, I'm leaning toward it being a bad mix.

I find LHRW to be one of the better remixes on that compilation.

[puni puni]

In LHRW's case, I'm leaning toward it being a bad mix.

I find LHRW to be one of the better remixes on that compilation.

It's just the vibraphones that drive me crazy when listening on headphones. Only in the first verse, though.
Thanks.

[hypehat]

Was Friends released in mono? And if so, is it a unique mix or just a fold down?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Mono fold-down in the UK, same for 20/20.

[drbeachboy]

Was Friends released in mono? And if so, is it a unique mix or just a fold down?

Three songs do have dedicated mono mixes: Friends, Wake The World, and Little Bird.

[hypehat]

Thanks!

Another thing. Watching 'An American Band'. Why are there several poor quality concert recordings when they talk about Pet Sounds - Sloop, GOK, Good Vibes, etc. It's mystifying, especially when they say 'Here's how amazing PS is' and then they play SLoop john B which has loads of mistakes..... Could they not license the mastertapes, hence alt mixes/live footage/audio?

[Myk Luhv]

Given that working with The Beach Boys was one of Van Dyke Parks's first major projects, has he ever commented about whether he learned much in terms of arranging or music-making more generally from Brian during this period? I know VDP had some of his songs recorded before (by himself and others) and that he had obvious talent already, I'm simply curious to what extent, if any, he credited (or still credits) Brian with helping him expand a bit in the songwriting department (non-lyrically, obviously)? Certainly it'd be a matter of implicit vs. explicit influence I'm thinking of here, and if any of the latter kind is known in any depth beyond the lip service to the Smile product and his former employer.

[punkinhead]

During the scene on Endless Harmony, when they first start discussing Spector, there's a shot of Brian playing on a drumset, the opening drum beat to Be My Baby, anyone know when that was shot and what it was originally for? Brian looks a little bit younger in that footage than during the interviews....I was thinkin maybe shot around IJWMFTT or OCA.

[hypehat]

Given that working with The Beach Boys was one of Van Dyke Parks's first major projects, has he ever commented about whether he learned much in terms of arranging or music-making more generally from Brian during this period? I know VDP had some of his songs recorded before (by himself and others) and that he had obvious talent already, I'm simply curious to what extent, if any, he credited (or still credits) Brian with helping him expand a bit in the songwriting department (non-lyrically, obviously)? Certainly it'd be a matter of implicit vs. explicit influence I'm thinking of here, and if any of the latter kind is known in any depth beyond the lip service to the Smile product and his former employer.

I don't know, Van Dyke's arrangement style really doesn't seem BW influenced in a lot of ways - it seems informed more by 30's/40's Jazz or Gershwin or Disney soundtracks of the period. VDP seems rather fond  of Brian's seeming untutored nature (the whole 'Barco' thing) as arranger, whereas Parks comes from a more traditional background - he studied composition under Aaron Copland!

Does anyone wanna answer my 'An American Band' question upthread?

[Roger Ryan]

Does anyone wanna answer my 'An American Band' question upthread?

It's been a while since I've seen it, but I'm wondering if the producers had the rights to use unreleased material (hence, "Fire"), but not the actual masters of hit songs. I seem to remember that every released track is represented by an alternate mix or version in the documentary. Similar to how BEAUTIFUL DREAMER could not use actual SMiLE recordings and, instead, used BWPS backing tracks to simulate the originals.