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« Reply #2175 on: Yesterday at 02:10:01 AM »

I loved Brian doing deep cuts as much as anyone but I also think it's important that their early hit songs aren't considered "Mike material" as is sadly often the case, at least implicitly. Fun Fun Fun, I Get Around, Surfin' USA, Help Me Rhonda, even Little Deuce Coupe and Be True to Your School - while Mike may stand for concentrating on that type of songs in concert (first half of the 60s), musically those are all Brian's creations and they're all pure genius. Mike may have written some lyrics here and there (and I love his lead singing in the 60s!) but none of these songs would even exist without Brian, the band's main songwriter and producer, period.
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« Reply #2176 on: Yesterday at 06:45:05 AM »

I remember in the 90's when Carl was still around that the band rarely dug too deep with their repertoire.  I thought it was remarkable when I heard them play "The Warmth of the Sun", "Darlin'", and "I Can Hear Music".  Then Al left the group and started his own thing and I finally got to hear deeper cuts I had always dreamed about seeing played live.  Love always seemed resistant to the lesser known material but he definitely has come around over the years.  In the early 2000's he had already started doing songs like "It's OK".  He has even performed "All I Wanna Do" live a couple of times.  Maybe Al and Brian's sets had an influence on him but I am glad to see all the surviving members openly embracing their overlooked material.  I also think their post-Pet Sounds content has been reevaluated over the years and looked at in a warmer light.  Remember that there was a time when half the band's catalog was out of print.  Ever since the twofers from 2000 the band has been represented in a much more accurate light.
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« Reply #2177 on: Yesterday at 08:29:26 AM »


No, I don't think this is accurate. Hasn't Mike often performed All This Is That? Isn't Forever a regular song on his set list? Didn't he perform Wild Honey awhipe ago?

These are not indicative of Mike warmly embracing all eras and deep cuts. "All This Is That" (which *was* dropped from the setlist by the late 70s, only re-appeared briefly in 93/94 before being intermittently performed by Mike in the post-Carl/Al years) is clearly Mike's pet TM song. He does it more as a reference to his TM stuff than he does out of honoring deep cuts. "Forever" has never been a "regular" in the setlist. Carl sang it for like five minutes during the '88 tour, and then since then it has largely been a Stamos vehicle when he plays with Mike (yes, on occasion others like David Marks have sang it).

As I've mentioned, Mike has done more "deep cuts" in the 2000s, but he doesn't regularly do a ton of non-hits from the late 60s and especially the 70s or 80s.


I have seen many times where Mike praises the music of the late 60s and early 70s but blames Capitol for continuing to promote them as a surf band. In his book he stated that in the early 70s they would perform songs like Long Promised Road, Surfs Up or All This Is That, and he has the scars to prove it. Implying that fans wanted to hear the hits. Carl Wilson has said the same thing. The Beach Boys were fighting their audience back then. I believe that times have changed in the 21st century and not only Brian does a lot of deep cuts, Mike added songs to his set list as well. The 2012 concerts had somgs across all eras and guess who was in charge of the set list. Mike!

No, this is ignoring vast swaths of the band's history, selectively plucking out a few details. I don't know how much Mike has ever "praised" 70s material. Sure, he has complained about Capitol promoting them as a surf band, but I've always found that complaint to be really strange and ironic because it's basically the attitude Mike maintained for the majority of years. He seems happy to use the example to ding someone else, and his book is also full of stuff like that.

And if you read the Rolling Stone piece on the 2012 tour, you'll see how Mike felt about adding deep cuts. Long story short, he occasionally does it *on his terms*, when *he* picks the song, but when Brian suggests "Marcella" Mike has a very "Mike" reaction as described in the article. It seems the song only made it into the setlist because Brian just told "his guys" to play it, not even worrying whether Mike's guys would know it.

Again I say, the argument that Mike is the one keeping Feel Flows to come out because it has too much Dennis material contradicts what has recently come out with the Friends and 20/20 sessions as well as Made in California. All heavy on unreleased Dennis Wilson songs.

I think you need to re-read the thread. Nobody has said the set has been blocked due to Dennis material.

I know the politics of the band, but I also know how fans and media have exaggerated facts throughout history to create a narrative that Mike Love is evil. So again I say to all on this board, give me some facts that proves Mike is the reason Feel Flows Isn't coming out. Not just because you think you know how it works.

Would anything short of a member admitting they blocked the set or asked for material be removed suffice? Because you know that's not going to happen.

If you want to ignore 60 years of band history, as well as people who work on these sets and are otherwise experts and scholars, that's your prerogative. But we've all been down this "prove it to me!" road before. That type of attitude is never convinced.
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« Reply #2178 on: Yesterday at 08:32:46 AM »

I loved Brian doing deep cuts as much as anyone but I also think it's important that their early hit songs aren't considered "Mike material" as is sadly often the case, at least implicitly. Fun Fun Fun, I Get Around, Surfin' USA, Help Me Rhonda, even Little Deuce Coupe and Be True to Your School - while Mike may stand for concentrating on that type of songs in concert (first half of the 60s), musically those are all Brian's creations and they're all pure genius. Mike may have written some lyrics here and there (and I love his lead singing in the 60s!) but none of these songs would even exist without Brian, the band's main songwriter and producer, period.

And that's precisely why Brian has done most of those "oldies" himself in concert. Brian is proud of those songs too, and they are as much if not more his than they are Mike's. I remember some fans back in 1999 complaining about Brian doing "hits", and especially back then, it was important to remember than Brian's active tour years with the band were about 1961-1965, 1976-1982 (and even then somewhat sporadically in the later years), with only random appearances after that. So when he started touring solo, he *hadn't* performed those hits nearly as many times as Mike and the other guys had. I think Brian was "reclaiming" his hits a bit on his solo tours.
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« Reply #2179 on: Yesterday at 08:36:50 AM »

I remember in the 90's when Carl was still around that the band rarely dug too deep with their repertoire.  I thought it was remarkable when I heard them play "The Warmth of the Sun", "Darlin'", and "I Can Hear Music".  Then Al left the group and started his own thing and I finally got to hear deeper cuts I had always dreamed about seeing played live.  Love always seemed resistant to the lesser known material but he definitely has come around over the years.  In the early 2000's he had already started doing songs like "It's OK".  He has even performed "All I Wanna Do" live a couple of times.  Maybe Al and Brian's sets had an influence on him but I am glad to see all the surviving members openly embracing their overlooked material.  I also think their post-Pet Sounds content has been reevaluated over the years and looked at in a warmer light.  Remember that there was a time when half the band's catalog was out of print.  Ever since the twofers from 2000 the band has been represented in a much more accurate light.

There's no "maybe" about it. Brian and Al's setlists, and the rave reviews of the quality of Al's shows in 1999, definitely had an impact.

Check out a 1998/1999/2000 setlist and show from Mike's band. It's often pretty painful. This was the era where the "deep cuts" were things like Bardowell and Adrian Baker singing "Duke of Earl", and Baker doing "Sherry." It *literally* started turning into an all-purpose "oldies" show, with multiple covers that the BBs had *never* recorded themselves. Had Brian and Al not been doing adventurous setlists, and had Scott Totten not joined Mike's band, Mike's band could have very well veered into true casino/lounge act oldies mode, adding Bobby Darin and Elvis tracks.
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« Reply #2180 on: Yesterday at 10:01:26 AM »

Any news about the current status of FF?
Dennis material is still an issue, there痴 a chance to be released this year?
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« Reply #2181 on: Yesterday at 12:57:55 PM »

Any news about the current status of FF?
Dennis material is still an issue, there痴 a chance to be released this year?

Oh yes, this was a thread about Feel Flows.

Although I am not privy to any inside goings on, I think it's fair to say that we are at or near the point now where the next official news you'll hear is the day "70 We Had Joy, We Had Fun" hits the digital music stores. What an irony!

Anyways, it's looking pretty gloomy out here in Beach Boys fan land. Especially now Mike's group has taken bigger steps towards playing at a Trump show, and has been denounced by Brian and Al for it.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2020-10-19/beach-boys-splinter-over-politics-brian-wilson-trump-fundraiser
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« Reply #2182 on: Yesterday at 06:55:02 PM »

I continue to feel extremely bad for Howie, Jon, Alan, Mark, and all the fine folks who have worked so hard on this set, in the face of the continuing antics of Mike and his Trump promotion. I am hoping against hope that this doesn't make any sort of ripple in the FF negotiations (if any are to be taking place), but I cannot see the amount of bad press he is getting as being any sort of good thing that will help the set come out. If anything, Mike getting into extreme egomaniacal, double-down mode and doing whatever the hell he wants, regardless of anyone's feelings (like not telling Brian or Al about playing such a polarizing, high profile show) I fear may feed into and amplify a similar stubborn mentality over FF.

Plus I am afraid that Mike's actions in continuing to taint the brand name (he was trending on Twitter forchristsakes) will just make any release under the BBs name something that might not happen for a long time. I think that if we get FF in any form, it might be delayed quite a bit to get some space from Mike's high profile asinine actions.

Let's just hope I'm wrong. I can't be the only one who shares these fears. Maybe part of Brian's relatively softball statement rebuking of Mike playing the Trump show is intended to avoid unnecessarily further inflaming relations with a guy that Brian is very unfortunately tied to having to deal endlessly like a thorn in his side, and maybe trying to save FF is part of that relatively softball approach.  One day, I think we'll actually hear from insiders and from people VERY close to the top what they REALLY think of Mike. Could be the contents for a coffee table book. There are lots of silently stewing folks, I'm certain.
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« Reply #2183 on: Yesterday at 08:25:53 PM »

As I posted in the other thread, maybe one of the purposes of this thread as to turn people off from being interested in Feel Flows.

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« Reply #2184 on: Yesterday at 10:06:32 PM »


No, I don't think this is accurate. Hasn't Mike often performed All This Is That? Isn't Forever a regular song on his set list? Didn't he perform Wild Honey awhipe ago? I have seen many times where Mike praises the music of the late 60s and early 70s but blames Capitol for continuing to promote them as a surf band. In his book he stated that in the early 70s they would perform songs like Long Promised Road, Surfs Up or All This Is That, and he has the scars to prove it. Implying that fans wanted to hear the hits. Carl Wilson has said the same thing. The Beach Boys were fighting their audience back then. I believe that times have changed in the 21st century and not only Brian does a lot of deep cuts, Mike added songs to his set list as well. The 2012 concerts had somgs across all eras and guess who was in charge of the set list. Mike!

Again I say, the argument that Mike is the one keeping Feel Flows to come out because it has too much Dennis material contradicts what has recently come out with the Friends and 20/20 sessions as well as Made in California. All heavy on unreleased Dennis Wilson songs.

I know the politics of the band, but I also know how fans and media have exaggerated facts throughout history to create a narrative that Mike Love is evil. So again I say to all on this board, give me some facts that proves Mike is the reason Feel Flows Isn't coming out. Not just because you think you know how it works.

Just to point this out, Brian was doing deep cuts when Mike was still doing the hits and oldies covers.  Mike was not some revolutionary genius in this regard. He didn稚 want to get outshined by someone that he feels is an inferior performer. So,he thought 的値l start doing rare stuff, too.

That was RJM, reporting live from inside Mike Love's brain. Now, the weather.
I think live performers start digging out more deep cuts when they stop recording new stuff - or no one is interested in the new stuff.
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