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The more I listen to 15BO, the more I hear the makings of a Brian Wilson concept album. I think the one oldies/one originals double LP idea would've made this a possibly more well rounded and evenly balanced project, well potentially at least. But I dunno, 15BO is an album that has continually grown on me and I think if (as with so many other BB-related projects) Brian Wilson was given full reign, it would've been more interesting. Anyone else have any thoughts on this or know of any interviews where they talk about it as a double record
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In all honesty, I think that 15BO is absolutely wretched and I think Brian was given much too free a reign. After the talents that the other band members had shown on the previous albums there is no way that they should have allowed Brian to become sole producer again. If the band had pooled their resources then they could still have come up with something decent. Cutting almost all of the covers, Once in my Life apart, and including a couple of Dennis numbers, Glow Crescent Glow, maybe Come to the Sunshine etc. would have helped. Letting Carl and Dennis do a lot of the production work wouldn't have been a bad idea either.
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I love 15BO. That said, the BBs are the only band in the world that can, with me, produce this feeling with an album like that. Technically, it's good, the performances are of a high standard. The production is OK, with the sole exception of Suzie Cincinnati, it sound muffled and causes earaches with me. Everyone's In Love is sickly sweet. But Had To Phone You is ace. As is Just Once In My Life. Blueberry Hill: great Spector sound. It's OK: the Last Truly Great Beach Boys Ode To Beach Life.
Yes, it is very inconsistent, it 'does not flow'. The sleeve is awful (well, I like it, but the general consensus has it otherwise, and I can understand why - did they get funding from the Montreal Olympics Committee?). The Talahassee Lassie fragment is terrible.
Dennis is great on In The Still. Brian and Carl do the best of all BBs covers with JOIML. The TM Song is one of the most underrated of BBs songs, because of the theme.
My resume: I love 15BBs and would not want to be without it.
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I'm not sure I could disagree with you more.
The cover of Rock and Roll Music is poorly produced and Mike's lead is too nasal.
It's OK is nice enough but not a classic.
The same could be said for Had to Phone Ya and it pales in comparison with some of the Sunflower, Surf's Up and Holland stuff.
Chapel of Love - Abysmal.
Everyone's in Love with You - A bit too smooth but OK.
Talk to Me - Pleasant Enough.
That Same Song - Woefully underproduced.
TM Song - Abysmal. Not due to the subject matter but due to the fact that it's dire.
Palisades Park - Pretty enjoyable.
Susie Cincinnati - I quite like this one but it had already been released and doesn't fit for obvious reasons.
A Casual Look - Mediocre.
Blueberry Hill - Not too bad.
Back Home - Again very poor production and some dodgy lyrics too.
In the Still of the Night - One of the band's worst ever songs. Plodding and dull musically with an awful lead from Dennis.
Just Once in my Life - Very good closer which puts all that went before it into the shade.
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Quote from: Nicko on November 27, 2009, 03:58:56 AM
I'm not sure I could disagree with you more.
The cover of Rock and Roll Music is poorly produced and Mike's lead is too nasal.
It's OK is nice enough but not a classic.
The same could be said for Had to Phone Ya and it pales in comparison with some of the Sunflower, Surf's Up and Holland stuff.
Chapel of Love - Abysmal.
Everyone's in Love with You - A bit too smooth but OK.
Talk to Me - Pleasant Enough.
That Same Song - Woefully underproduced.
TM Song - Abysmal. Not due to the subject matter but due to the fact that it's dire.
Palisades Park - Pretty enjoyable.
Susie Cincinnati - I quite like this one but it had already been released and doesn't fit for obvious reasons.
A Casual Look - Mediocre.
Blueberry Hill - Not too bad.
Back Home - Again very poor production and some dodgy lyrics too.
In the Still of the Night - One of the band's worst ever songs. Plodding and dull musically with an awful lead from Dennis.
Just Once in my Life - Very good closer which puts all that went before it into the shade.
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I'm pretty fond of 15BO myself, but I gotta admit I'd be embarrased to play it for "non-harcores" (same with Love You). And the reasons are Brian's hoarse croaky off-key voice and the "cardboard & crayons" production values. Not on all cuts, but definitely on several.
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Brian was given full reign for several reasons, one of which would be the fact that he has always been viewed as the goose that laid the golden egg. An album without Brian does not sell...
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Quote from: mtaber on November 27, 2009, 06:12:04 AM
Brian was given full reign for several reasons, one of which would be the fact that he has always been viewed as the goose that laid the golden egg.
Marty, in your opinion, do you think Brian and the guys resented that idea?
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If you take the seven originals, they definetly don't fit together. I wonder how fragmented the sessions were.
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Quote from: c-man on November 27, 2009, 05:54:27 AM
I'm pretty fond of 15BO myself, but I gotta admit I'd be embarrased to play it for "non-harcores" (same with Love You). And the reasons are Brian's hoarse croaky off-key voice and the "cardboard & crayons" production values. Not on all cuts, but definitely on several.
Why be embarrassed? I've played Love You to quite a few non-hardcores and most of them obviously enjoyed it (and that, by the way, includes "Solar System"). It's actually pretty much the same with Smiley Smile.
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To me, "Had To Phone Ya" is THE one masterpiece (in less than two minutes no less) on this album. "It's OK" is just OK and most of the rest is dreck. I honestly always skip this album on my two-fer to get to Love You which I love all of the way through. Just like the next two-fer where I skip MIU to get to LA. Just my own personal tastes. But it is fascinating to see how many different opinions we all have regarding BB music. Compare to say the Beatles where we know everything they did post-Help! was perfection, right?
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Quote from: rogerlancelot on November 27, 2009, 03:12:30 PM
To me, "Had To Phone Ya" is THE one masterpiece (in less than two minutes no less) on this album. "It's OK" is just OK and most of the rest is dreck. I honestly always skip this album on my two-fer to get to Love You which I love all of the way through. Just like the next two-fer where I skip MIU to get to LA. Just my own personal tastes. But it is fascinating to see how many different opinions we all have regarding BB music. Compare to say the Beatles where we know everything they did post-Help! was perfection, right?
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IF Brian had managed to record more covers that were on the level of Palisades Park or Just Once in my life --
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IF Brian had managed to pull together songs from the Caribou sessions (like Good Timin) to complement Had to Phone Ya and It's OK
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IF Dennis had contributed a couple of good tracks on which you could hear other members of the group
THEN you could have a good double album version of 15 Big Ones. And I think that's what the group wanted.
But Brian did not respond well to the pressure and at a certain point said "it's done," when it clearly could have used more work. Very much like the sessions for GIOMH, if reports are correct.
That being said, for devoted fans there is much to appreciate in 15BO, just as there is in GIOMH (AGD excepted). But the albums are definitely not what they could have been, and definitely not what the respective bands had hoped for.
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I think the idea of Brian being the goose that laid the golden egg was hard on all of them. Imagine being Brian and having every record label basically demand his involvement- asking that Brian write something like 80% of the material, for example. This says to Brian, "you have to be an active Beach Boy, whether you want to or not". This says to the other guys, "your stuff won't sell, so don't bother". Dennis and Carl, good songwriters, never wrote a hit. Nobody but Brian wrote hits... and Brian himself didn't write much in the way of hits after the '60's were through. So you have Brian, who doesn't really want to be in the band, being forced... and the guys who want to be in the band being told their stuff is crap. I think they all were unhappy.
I think of what it must've been like to be Brian back then. You've got a studio in your own house, so anytime you even go NEAR the piano, the vultures swoop in to drag a song from you. It's no wonder that eventually he just stayed in his room. Then with Landy, you've got EVERY aspect of your life being controlled, and Gene telling you that you have to write something like a song a day or 20 songs a week or whatever it was. Thus you have Brian pulling songs out of his ass that Landy didn't know he'd written years before, like "Back Home". It's no wonder Brian recycled songs, he had Landy's goons with their heel on his throat to make him write. I can imagine his thinking - "sh*t, I need three more songs before I can eat, maybe I can write a song about brushing my teeth or flushing the toilet"...
The 15 Big Ones era was fascinating. Did any of them actually believe that "Brian is Back" crap? Brian was being forced back, reluctantly, so I think the only control Brian felt that he had was to do a half-assed job. Thus the vocals were rough, the production a bit shoddy, save for a few tracks. It was as if Brian was saying "you can make me write and produce and sing, but YOU CAN'T MAKE ME DO A GOOD JOB!" And then, just to prove that he was still capable of doing a good job, he whips off "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" in one day. Man, if everybody would just have left him to do whatever he wanted in the studio, we may have gotten some great stuff. Then again, with all the other issues going on, he could just as easily have died in that period...
The other band members, particularly Dennis, had the opposite situation. Dennis could go in the studio whenever he liked, and nobody paid much attention. He was under no pressure to come up with material, and if he wrote something great, it might go practically unnoticed. CBS didn't say "we're not signing you unless Dennis is all over every record". There were records almost totally devoid of Dennis involvement, just as with Brian. The masses didn't revolt.
I think Dennis and Brian might have both been fairly F'd up by all this. Just my opinion...
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Quote from: claymcc on November 27, 2009, 04:30:45 PM
That being said, for devoted fans there is much to appreciate in 15BO, just as there is in GIOMH (AGD excepted). But the albums are definitely not what they could have been, and definitely not what the respective bands had hoped for.
Not sure that AGD deserves to be singled out for GIOMH. Plenty of fans at the time commented on how bad it was and. despite the good feeling towards Brian, lots of critics gave it scathing reviews. I think there is a difference between a devoted fan and a fan who has their blinkers on.
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Some people liked it, some people didn't. Liking it does not mean you have blinkers on, it simply means your tastes are different. And for goodness' sake -- I was comparing it to 15BO, which was for many years one of the least-loved BB albums. It's not like I'm calling it the second coming of Pet Sounds.
AGD was a prominent critic of GIOMH on this board and elsewhere. Given that he has published a well-regarded book about the BB's recordings, has contributed liner notes to the Brother twofers and is an active and devoted member of BB/BW fan communities, his opinions carry quite a bit of weight. Citing that is not unfair, it's simply true. What's more, his formidable critique is an important part of the debate and history of this board. It's certainly persuaded me to examine my feelings about the record.
(That being said, I generally stand by my previous -- perhaps over-extensive -- writings on the album. It's marred by wobbly vocals, poor song selection and insane sequencing. But I also think it's an album of honest music from Brian, with some inspiring moments and some darn good songs. Yes, he may have not cared much about making it. But from reports, he didn't care much about making 15BO either. And I can find things to enjoy in both.)
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Ok and I don't want to get into anything over it. I think there are different definitions of what being a devoted fan means though...
15BO, as well as being a poor album (not just a poor BBs album), represents the beginning of the end for the band. Terrible production from Brian as he was either unwilling or unable to do any better and depressing that the other band members agreed to release it in its final form.
I agree that GIOMH is an honest album but that's not necessarily a good thing. It shows that Brian couldn't (or didn't want to) write new songs, that his voice is very limited nowadays, that he couldn't be bothered to do decent productions and that he would rather get it over with as quickly as possible (and the lyrics are also godawful). The only positive thing to come out of it I guess though was that it made Brian's management see that his band should play the lead role in the recordings that he's made since.
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Nicko, I notice that each post you've made on this board has been to criticize something. Perhaps you would enjoy writing about things that you liked, rather than snarking at things that you don't. Just a thought.
15BO led to Love You, so it's okay in my book. The problem is that the band then didn't follow through with Brian's aspirations after that point (given sales, rough production etc).
GIOMH led to Brian's folks realizing that they couldn't force an album out of him, and that he needed some folks to ensure quality control. And that led to the Xmas album and TLOS and Gershwin. So it's okay in my book too. And the folks ensuring quality control are helping Brian be the best that he can be today -- not forcing him to create summertime hits.
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Quote from: claymcc on November 27, 2009, 08:23:57 PM
Nicko, I notice that every single post you've made on this board has been to criticize something. Perhaps you would enjoy writing about things that you liked, rather than snarking at things that you don't. Just a suggestion.
Not at all. I've made hundreds of posts but re-registered after changing email accounts and computers. Lots have been positive.
And it's the fact that I appreciate so much of the band's music that makes me hate 15BO. The band had done some great work on their previous few albums and threw it all away on this mess of a record.
I think it's just that we come at it from different perspectives though (and this is in no way a criticism). You are obviously more of a Brian fan rather than a fan of all of the band members or the group as a whole. Not saying you dislike them but a lot of your posts do feature not so subtle gigs at the other guys. So I can appreciate that for you 15BO was worth it as it led to Love Lou. But for me, Love You shows again how much confidence that the band members had lost in themselves. There are some really good songs on that album but there are also some dire lyrics and terrible vocals. In the early 70s there is no way that the group would have agreed to release it.
Not sure about the band not followng through with Brian's aspirations. What were they exactly? The band did pull together on LA but by that point Brian had obviously fallen away...
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Quote from: Nicko on November 27, 2009, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: claymcc on November 27, 2009, 08:23:57 PM
Nicko, I notice that every single post you've made on this board has been to criticize something. Perhaps you would enjoy writing about things that you liked, rather than snarking at things that you don't. Just a suggestion.
And it's the fact that I appreciate so much of the band's music that makes me hate 15BO. The band had done some great work on their previous few albums and threw it all away on this mess of a record....for me, Love You shows again how much confidence that the band members had lost in themselves. There are some really good songs on that album but there are also some dire lyrics and terrible vocals. In the early 70s there is no way that the group would have agreed to release it.
Well said. There really is a different perspective from those who see Brian as more important then the Beach Boys as opposed to those who see him as a vital part of the Beach Boys. Not that I'm putting anyone down on either side, it's just that for some Brian's work is held to another level.
My two cents is that the Beach Boys should not have focused so much on Brian in 1976 especally when it became clear that his voice was gone. What he was doing was below previous standards and there were many reasons. I disagree that in the home studio years his work with the group was forced. I think it was more of a "I'll work when and if I want to" and as the years went along he wanted to work less. Still when the mood struck him I find that most everything he did was full fledged brillance that is until 1976. Worn down mentally and forced by Landy and the others to record he simply didn't have the choice or the werwithal to refuse to show up anymore. This goes for the stage too. I'm not saying that he previously always saw eye to eye with the others but comparted to 1976 and after the Beach Boys had been fairly amiable.
Away from the error of putting Brian in chage lies the fac that what was released in 1976-77 wasn't the best of what was cut. So could 15 Big Ones have been better as 30 Big Ones. The answer is no becuase there weren'tmany good masters to pick from. Had Come Go With Me, Angel Come Home, Sea Cruise, 10,000 Years Ago, Don't Fight The Sea, Michael Rowed The Boat Ashore, joined say Rock and Roll Music (hot mix), It's OK, Had to Phone Ya , Everyone's in Love with You, That Same Song and
Back Home I think it would have been a nice half oldies hald new songs LP that was at least respectable if not up to previous standards.
As far as a follow up ok put Brian in charge but wait for there to be enough solid songs. I say Marilyn Rovell,Sherry She Needs Me, You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin', Lazy Lizzie, I'll Bet He's Nice, The Night Was So Young, My Diane, Ruby Baby,Everybody Wants To Live, Deep Purple, Life Is For The Living, It's Over Now, and Still I Dream Of It. would have made for a Love You type album that was better then Love You.
Of course both these line ups are subjective but I guess the point I am trying to make is that haste really put the Beach Boys in a bad light.
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Nicko -- Quite good comments, and my apologies for not recognizing your earlier postings.
In terms of following up with Brian's aspirations -- I was referring to the Adult Child album. Brian decided to follow up Love You -- which in some ways was his attempt to recapture a certain innocent, whimsical quality found in the earliest Beach Boys records -- with a swerve into big-band territory. The group was not receptive. And so you had Brian essentially pushed into his roles on MIU and KTSA (Carlin's book is good on this). He was forced to work for a group that no longer had confidence in him as a creative leader, but that had to include him for economic reasons.
And I am definitely a Brian Wilson fan. That's how I came to the music. But I don't want to give the impression that I don't respect the other guys -- Dennis was a monster talent, and in some ways I like his stuff better than Brian's -- the problem is there's so little of it, and there's a certain repetitive quality to the ballads after awhile. Carl was a peerless vocalist, and some of his songs were excellent. He just never pursued it (his studio work is quite underrated, though). I can't say much for Mike as a musician per se, but as a personality and lead vocal sound, he helped made the group what it was. Al and Bruce (and Ricky and Blondie and Dave) are all-around terrific musicians.
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Nicko -- Quite good comments, and my apologies for not recognizing your earlier postings.
In terms of following up with Brian's aspirations -- I was referring to the Adult Child album. Brian decided to follow up Love You -- which in some ways was his attempt to recapture a certain innocent, whimsical quality found in the earliest Beach Boys records -- with a swerve into big-band territory. The group was not receptive. And so you had Brian essentially pushed into his roles on MIU and KTSA (Carlin's book is good on this). He was forced to work for a group that no longer had confidence in him as a creative leader, but that had to include him for economic reasons.
No problem. My own fault for having to re-register.
I think it's understandable that the band didn't want to do a big band album because while Love You is liked by many fans, it could never have been a hit in any dimension. As I posted a while ago, it's unfortunate that the general public kept on sending the message to the band that they only wanted the fun in the sun stuff. So 15BO and Almost Summer were both hits but any big band album almost certainly wouldn't have been.
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Quote from: claymcc on November 28, 2009, 12:17:15 AM
In terms of following up with Brian's aspirations -- I was referring to the Adult Child album. Brian decided to follow up Love You -- which in some ways was his attempt to recapture a certain innocent, whimsical quality found in the earliest Beach Boys records -- with a swerve into big-band territory. The group was not receptive. And so you had Brian essentially pushed into his roles on MIU and KTSA (Carlin's book is good on this). He was forced to work for a group that no longer had confidence in him as a creative leader, but that had to include him for economic reasons.
Nice post claymcc you have an interesting take on Love You. I never have been a fan of it, but maybe that's what he was trying to do. I guess what's hard for me is deciding whether or not he was trying to do anything specific by that stage. True the Adult Child big band attempts seem to be more of fully thought out concepts and I like them a lot more then anything else he did in that period. On Love You though I guess what unsettles me is that it seems Brian has regressed to an odd state of mind and unlike earlier bizare moments like My Solution he doesn't seem in on the gag.
Now I read Mike did not like the Big Band concept and if he heard something like Life Is For The Living I understand, but considering how receptive he seemed to the Love You demos it's hard for me to imagine he didn't like Still I Dream Of It at least melodically. Since Adult Child got pretty close to being released I always felt (and have read contemporary reports that support this) that Warners simply refused to put it out because Love You didn't do well and this was another out of left field album.
I think why Brian went back to a more collaborative role on MIU and KTSA is because they wanted to have the albums a little more democratic and mainstream. Sales were an obvious reason as to why they wanted to be more radio friendly, but the fact is I think it was as much Brian being happier at the point in the role he had on albums like 20/20. I don't mean this in any other way but meaning he wanted to be just a part of the group. Looking at the filmed sessions he seems to be periodically having fun, and he seems to want to at least lend a hand. LA is a different story because he was in such poor shape. Of course he drug use and mental state in the late seventies was worse then before and by the end of 1979 he was very big again. In the end the 1976-82 period was full of so many ups and downs that it's hard to know what Brian was able to do, willing to do, or wanting to do.
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Nice post claymcc you have an interesting take on Love You. I never have been a fan of it, but maybe that's what he was trying to do. I guess what's hard for me is deciding whether or not he was trying to do anything specific by that stage. True the Adult Child big band attempts seem to be more of fully thought out concepts and I like them a lot more then anything else he did in that period. On Love You though I guess what unsettles me is that it seems Brian has regressed to an odd state of mind and unlike earlier bizare moments like My Solution he doesn't seem in on the gag.
Yeah, that would be my take on Love You too. I think that the worst moments on the album do show that Brian had regressed and I doubt it was a conscious decision to go back to a more whimsical style.
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Quote from: c-man on November 27, 2009, 05:54:27 AM
I'm pretty fond of 15BO myself, but I gotta admit I'd be embarrased to play it for "non-harcores" (same with Love You). And the reasons are Brian's hoarse croaky off-key voice and the "cardboard & crayons" production values. Not on all cuts, but definitely on several.
Why be embarrassed? I've played Love You to quite a few non-hardcores and most of them obviously enjoyed it (and that, by the way, includes "Solar System"). It's actually pretty much the same with Smiley Smile.
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