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« on: October 28, 2009, 06:42:50 PM » |
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http://memorabilia.hardrock.com/?item=006606You have to down load something to navigate the site. Man, poor Brian. I've never read this before, but I can't imagine having a parent lay a guilt trip on me like this. Mod: Please delete this thread if this has been discussed before, but I did a search and didn't find anything.
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 07:06:20 PM » |
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Is there any chance someone would have the patience to save/screen cap and upload the pages? I'm not using a computer, so I can't download the software needed to view it. Sounds interesting, though.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 07:09:17 PM » |
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Read the letter a few weeks ago. The HRC site mentions one to Carl from Murry as well but it does not seem to be possible to read this online.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 07:14:35 PM » |
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I had to download some Microsoft Silver program, and then was able to zoom in on the individual letters. A bit of a pain in the butt having to scroll back and forth to read it. I take it they do this so the pages can't be copied?
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 07:27:48 PM » |
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Gees bloody wizz!  No wonder the Wilson clan was so screwed up! So does anybody know if this letter was ever presented to Brian in 1965 or if this is just a draft which turned up in Murry's estate? |
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 07:49:53 PM » |
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I wonder if this was payback for Brian standing up to Murry during the Rhonda session
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 08:24:09 PM » |
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Very interesting, and super cool site. I recommend everyone to download Silverlight, its a really cool plug-in for Internet Explorer...the things people can do with it is insane.
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 08:36:06 PM » |
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I have a friend that works at the Hard Rock in Orlando with the memorabilia, and he turned me on to this site.
Some interesting Murry quotes
"...felt it was my duty as a father to give you the security a punishment gives."
"children are disapointed when they are not punished."
"Audree...was trying to raise you boys as girls."
"...she (Audree) took a coat hanger to you boys."
He talks about Gary Usher's "evil influence."
Says Brian was "obsessed to prove he was better than his father."
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2009, 09:01:07 PM » |
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I have a friend that works at the Hard Rock in Orlando with the memorabilia, and he turned me on to this site.
Some interesting Murry quotes
"...felt it was my duty as a father to give you the security a punishment gives."
"children are disapointed when they are not punished."
"Audree...was trying to raise you boys as girls."
"...she (Audree) took a coat hanger to you boys."
He talks about Gary Usher's "evil influence."
Says Brian was "obsessed to prove he was better than his father."
Not to mention his numerous claims of doing business "honestly"...I imagine David Marks, Alan Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian himself would all disagree with that...although I'm sure Murry found a way, in his mind, to justify his swindling of them all. Still, it's best to understand no one does things completely perfectly all the time...Murry is just an extremely exaggerated example of that. And, ironically, they would probably have gotten nowhere without him. |
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2009, 09:26:34 PM » |
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I wonder if this was payback for Brian standing up to Murry during the Rhonda session
Some interesting dates re the letter: Jan 8 '65: Help Me Ronda session with the Murry confontation March '65: Mike is cited in a paternity suit brought by Shannon Ann Harris who claims he fathered her daughter Shawn Marie (source Bellagio website Timeline - thanks to AGD) May 8 '65: The Murry letter. A few stones seem to be falling in to place ..... |
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 03:22:05 AM » |
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One of the more interesting things I have read. I think Murry meant well but I think his own ego and jealousy got in the way. It's almost as if he could see that The Beach Boys had that self destructive streak. He seemed not to be able to make too many friends and didn't understand why people were against him. I would put a lot more weight into what he was saying here if he wasn't screwing Mike over so badly or know that he wouldn't live up to his credo of honesty in 1969. Still I wonder if he had lived another 20 years would things have been better or worse. It's very complex but again it's eerie reading because Brian did fall in with the wrong people over and over and over and over again with horrendous results.
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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 04:39:35 AM » |
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As I read this I kept picturing Murry's secretary taking dictation on this. How uncomfortable.
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2009, 05:16:01 AM » |
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My friend at the Hard Rock sent me this morning.
"We've got a few Murry letters, including his divorce documents. I'll try to dig a few more up."
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 06:49:49 AM » |
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Thanks SJB, I just hope we don't receive empty threats to take this down...  |
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2009, 09:24:40 AM » |
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There's a certain Corleone Family / Godfather vibe in those pages.  Murry touches a few nerves, but knowing what we know now.... |
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2009, 11:40:00 AM » |
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Jesus...
I mean... Jesus.
Can you say "self-righteous duplicity" ?
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2009, 11:43:14 AM » |
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Who is "Gwen"?  |
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2009, 11:55:03 AM » |
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AGD -- My response was the same. This man was toxic to his kids.
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2009, 12:25:56 PM » |
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I'm not sure where you got that date of January 8 for the Rhonda confrontation but I believe that most people say that it occurred at a vocal session for the single version-rather than the album version. I believe the Murry argument was at the session in February or March. I'd go with C-Man on this-since he probably has analyzed the tapes more than anyone else. I find that letter fascinating-because it really shows that what has been printed about Murry is pretty true-if you weren't a Wilson you were Hollywood phony-even Mike Love, who's mother was a Wilson, was a phony in Murry's book. Quite a letter.
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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2009, 12:41:54 PM » |
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I'm not sure where you got that date of January 8 for the Rhonda confrontation but I believe that most people say that it occurred at a vocal session for the single version-rather than the album version. I believe the Murry argument was at the session in February or March. I'd go with C-Man on this-since he probably has analyzed the tapes more than anyone else. I tried to pin down a date and from different sources came up with various dates but the one that kept popping up was Jan 8. I went with the "googled" consensus and ignored the info on the bootlegs  ... sadly the most reliabe and authoratative source - the Bellagio site - makes no reference to the Murry confrontation on either it's Timeline or in the Shows & Sessions sections. ... I posted knowing that if it was wrong I'd soon be corrected ...  |
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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2009, 01:41:42 PM » |
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There are two dates for the vocals of the "Rhonda" 45 on 10452 - March 4th and March 21st. Iffn I had to put a date to the 'Murry' session, I'd opt for the latter.
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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2009, 01:58:55 PM » |
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Man that was interesting
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According to someone who would know.
Seriously, there was a Beach Boys Love You condom?! Amazing.
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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2009, 02:19:42 PM » |
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I would be surprised if Brian finished reading that entire letter. I wouldn't have, myself.
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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2009, 02:23:06 PM » |
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Who is "Gwen"? I don't read 'Carl and Gwen' as being Carl Wilson if that is the interest. |
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