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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2009, 07:28:30 AM »

No offense meant to him, but I imagine Al must be very frustrating to work with because of those reasons.
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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2009, 10:48:29 AM »

And Al tinkered with Loop De Loop for what -- 30-plus years?

And I still prefer Brian's demo of Sail Plane Song!
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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2009, 12:05:03 PM »

And Al tinkered with Loop De Loop for what -- 30-plus years?


And after all those years of tinkering -- the song still sucked anyway!   Evil
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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2009, 12:43:34 PM »

I think the song is fine, in a fun kind of way. But it didn't deserve 30 years of tinkering. Just write, record, release, move on. They're just pop songs, Al...
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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2009, 03:23:11 PM »

I just mean to get away from his perfectionist ways. Just bang out a covers album as a stopgap, and work on Postcards for as long as he wants.

I would think Al is more of a procrastinator than a perfectionist.  Because if it takes him years to get a song like "Loop de Loop" just right, then perfect must equate to mediocre.
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« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2009, 04:07:08 PM »

Wait a minute!!! It took him that friggin' long??? I kept thinkin' that they worked on it back in the 60's and didn't touch it again until around 1998
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« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2009, 07:12:53 PM »

Wait a minute!!! It took him that friggin' long??? I kept thinkin' that they worked on it back in the 60's and didn't touch it again until around 1998

That's what i thought..... i can't honestly believe anyone would work on something so slight for forty years
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« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2009, 07:41:39 PM »

Well, it was worked on during the Christmas album sessions at MIU in the late 70s -- and Al said at several points in that decade that he was working on it -- at some points it apparently lasted much longer.
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« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2009, 07:57:59 PM »

It's kind of funny how we're all complaining about and making fun of Al's inability to complete a song or album, but for some reason we all seem to have given Brian a break, when the two stories seem quite similar. I don't mean anything bad by that, it just struck me as funny for some reason....
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« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2009, 11:31:01 PM »

Mike's 'new' album is full of 'new' songs too!
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« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2009, 11:52:02 PM »

I just mean to get away from his perfectionist ways. Just bang out a covers album as a stopgap, and work on Postcards for as long as he wants.

Al Jardine as Bryan Ferry! LOL
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« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2009, 01:51:16 AM »

It's kind of funny how we're all complaining about and making fun of Al's inability to complete a song or album, but for some reason we all seem to have given Brian a break, when the two stories seem quite similar. I don't mean anything bad by that, it just struck me as funny for some reason....

I don;t think the cases are that similar -  I assume you're talking SMiLE 66/67-BWPS 04?  Brian abandoned SMiLE in 67 and started again in 04 -  the restart took just a few weeks, days even, in the studio.

Brian's output in the last few years has been impressive - Imagination, OCA, Roxy, PS Live, GIOMH, On Tour, BWPS, WIRWFC, TLOS, and now two album in the pipeline.

Postcards – Al's first solo LP in the 48 years he's been in the business - seems to be subject to infinite tinkering.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, mind. I'm gone from being unexcited to relishing its eventual release.  Al's got the best intact BBs' voice and has written some fine stuff over the years.  It just needs to be out there, now.
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« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2009, 03:12:24 AM »

..... and not forgetting that Al promised to give a free copy of his new album 'Postcards From California', to those European fans who were disappointed when he pulled out from touring with Brian a couple of years back. This was after tickets had gone on sale and some of the fans who bought them, at the time of purchase, were expecting to see Al on stage with Brian. I know a few people in Holland who have kept their ticket stubs, as Al has told them to do so. They're just waiting for confirmation of where to send them. I just hope Al doesn't end up giving more away that he sells Undecided.

Incidentally, the reason Al gave for having to pull out of touring with Brian...., you ready for this? He had to stay at home to put the finishing touches to the album Grin.
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« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2009, 10:53:01 AM »

I'm gone from being unexcited to relishing its eventual release. 

Interesting - I've gone in exactly the contrary direction. I was seriously enthused, about three years ago but now (although I'll buy it, of course), I could care less.
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« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2009, 11:00:10 AM »

..... and not forgetting that Al promised to give a free copy of his new album 'Postcards From California', to those European fans who were disappointed when he pulled out from touring with Brian a couple of years back. This was after tickets had gone on sale and some of the fans who bought them, at the time of purchase, were expecting to see Al on stage with Brian. I know a few people in Holland who have kept their ticket stubs, as Al has told them to do so. They're just waiting for confirmation of where to send them. I just hope Al doesn't end up giving more away that he sells Undecided.

Incidentally, the reason Al gave for having to pull out of touring with Brian...., you ready for this? He had to stay at home to put the finishing touches to the album Grin.
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« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2009, 11:33:50 PM »

It's kind of funny how we're all complaining about and making fun of Al's inability to complete a song or album, but for some reason we all seem to have given Brian a break, when the two stories seem quite similar. I don't mean anything bad by that, it just struck me as funny for some reason....

I don;t think the cases are that similar -  I assume you're talking SMiLE 66/67-BWPS 04?  Brian abandoned SMiLE in 67 and started again in 04 -  the restart took just a few weeks, days even, in the studio.

Brian's output in the last few years has been impressive - Imagination, OCA, Roxy, PS Live, GIOMH, On Tour, BWPS, WIRWFC, TLOS, and now two album in the pipeline.

Postcards – Al's first solo LP in the 48 years he's been in the business - seems to be subject to infinite tinkering.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, mind. I'm gone from being unexcited to relishing its eventual release.  Al's got the best intact BBs' voice and has written some fine stuff over the years.  It just needs to be out there, now.
What I mean is, Al probably just added his vocal and maybe a few overdubs on Loop De Loop over the years. But with Brian, he was adding and abandoning whole sections of Heroes and Villians. Brian was changing the whole dynamic of a song, abandoning it, and starting all over again in a very different direction. I think the Brian example of perfectionism(is that a word?) is much more extreme than Al has been. But Al is the one that gets picked on, and Brian gets excused. AGD will probably correct me though.  Grin
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« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2009, 11:38:55 PM »

It's kind of funny how we're all complaining about and making fun of Al's inability to complete a song or album, but for some reason we all seem to have given Brian a break, when the two stories seem quite similar. I don't mean anything bad by that, it just struck me as funny for some reason....

I don;t think the cases are that similar -  I assume you're talking SMiLE 66/67-BWPS 04?  Brian abandoned SMiLE in 67 and started again in 04 -  the restart took just a few weeks, days even, in the studio.

Brian's output in the last few years has been impressive - Imagination, OCA, Roxy, PS Live, GIOMH, On Tour, BWPS, WIRWFC, TLOS, and now two album in the pipeline.

Postcards – Al's first solo LP in the 48 years he's been in the business - seems to be subject to infinite tinkering.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, mind. I'm gone from being unexcited to relishing its eventual release.  Al's got the best intact BBs' voice and has written some fine stuff over the years.  It just needs to be out there, now.
What I mean is, Al probably just added his vocal and maybe a few overdubs on Loop De Loop over the years. But with Brian, he was adding and abandoning whole sections of Heroes and Villians. Brian was changing the whole dynamic of a song, abandoning it, and starting all over again in a very different direction. I think the Brian example of perfectionism(is that a word?) is much more extreme than Al has been. But Al is the one that gets picked on, and Brian gets excused. AGD will probably correct me though.  Grin

Nope, I think all Alan did for "Loop" '98 was to re-record/triple track the first verse... which is why it sticks out like a sonic sore thumb. Not listened to it for a while, but as I recall the rest of the song is the 1969 vocal.
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« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2009, 11:54:27 PM »

It's kind of funny how we're all complaining about and making fun of Al's inability to complete a song or album, but for some reason we all seem to have given Brian a break, when the two stories seem quite similar. I don't mean anything bad by that, it just struck me as funny for some reason....

I don;t think the cases are that similar -  I assume you're talking SMiLE 66/67-BWPS 04?  Brian abandoned SMiLE in 67 and started again in 04 -  the restart took just a few weeks, days even, in the studio.

Brian's output in the last few years has been impressive - Imagination, OCA, Roxy, PS Live, GIOMH, On Tour, BWPS, WIRWFC, TLOS, and now two album in the pipeline.

Postcards – Al's first solo LP in the 48 years he's been in the business - seems to be subject to infinite tinkering.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, mind. I'm gone from being unexcited to relishing its eventual release.  Al's got the best intact BBs' voice and has written some fine stuff over the years.  It just needs to be out there, now.
What I mean is, Al probably just added his vocal and maybe a few overdubs on Loop De Loop over the years. But with Brian, he was adding and abandoning whole sections of Heroes and Villians. Brian was changing the whole dynamic of a song, abandoning it, and starting all over again in a very different direction. I think the Brian example of perfectionism(is that a word?) is much more extreme than Al has been. But Al is the one that gets picked on, and Brian gets excused. AGD will probably correct me though.  Grin

Nope, I think all Alan did for "Loop" '98 was to re-record/triple track the first verse... which is why it sticks out like a sonic sore thumb. Not listened to it for a while, but as I recall the rest of the song is the 1969 vocal.

That kind of reminds me of a story about The Who. They were remastering and remixing their Live At Leeds album, and one of the songs had just a few words of the first verse missing. John Entwistle missed his cue. So John overdubbed the first verse of the song....in 1994. That's 24 years after the original recording was made. This was at a time when John was starting to lose his voice after 30+ years of smoking. Needless to say, the "fixed" version doesn't sound very good.
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« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2009, 04:01:59 AM »

BW's H&V obsession only lasted a few brief months though. Postcards has been on the go for, what, two, three, fours years now?
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