Any ideas on when a SMiLE box set will come out?

[Sheriff John Stone]

1) However would the fact that Brian is now signed to Capitol, grease the wheels of a proposed Smile box release a bit, or have no bearing (scuse the pun) on it?


2) You'd have to have at least a portion of the box set out as a playable sequenced album, for the fans like me that don't want to drag through endless session material.

3) Personally I think you can't disregard BWPS

1) I really believe Capitol Records will EVENTUALLY be the tool that gets the wheel spinning. They'll come up with some attractive offer and negotiations will begin. It can only benefit much of the back catalogue - which they own.

2) I think iy is very possible to assemble and sequence a fulfilling single CD SMiLE comp. I'd like to see the "most finished" track of each song represented. Obviously, that would be somebody's opinion. I think there are a few experts out there who could do a good job.

3) I would ignore as much of BWPS as possible. BWPS was assembled and sequenced by Darian for a live performance.

[Wilsonista]

3) I would ignore as much of BWPS as possible. BWPS was assembled and sequenced by Darian for a live performance.

"What do you mean by 'Darian's fanmix'?" was the response a slightly annoyed Darian shot back when he was asked whether or not BWPS was illegitimate. 

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2325.msg45495.html#msg45495


The whole live performance thing went out the window, the moment Brian asked VDP to help with the piece. The game plan changed when VDP and Brian began adding to things like Worms and Holidays and Child.  It is my opinion (my opinion only), that the "we're just doing a live performance"  was so that Brian wouldn't balk at revisiting the music.  If he was told "you're going to finish SMiLE", no amount of wife and manager prodding would have made him do it. And why should it? The idea of finishing SMiLE was born the moment Brian's solo career started.  Hell, Joe Thomas was asked during his involvement with Brian to do what Darian wound up doing with that  music! 

[buddhahat]

1) However would the fact that Brian is now signed to Capitol, grease the wheels of a proposed Smile box release a bit, or have no bearing (scuse the pun) on it?


2) You'd have to have at least a portion of the box set out as a playable sequenced album, for the fans like me that don't want to drag through endless session material.

3) Personally I think you can't disregard BWPS

3) I would ignore as much of BWPS as possible. BWPS was assembled and sequenced by Darian for a live performance.

I strongly disagree with this. Even if Brian had nothing to do with the sequencing or newly written parts (which I don't believe at all), the simple fact that it is presented as his re-working would make it odd if a Smile box totally ignored BWPS. Unless a sessions release was purely just a sessions release, and did not attempt to organise the sessions into a 'playable album'. I think as soon as you get into that playable album thing, then the BWPS sequence has to be acknowledged, whether Brian's involvement was real or faked.

[SG7]

3) I would ignore as much of BWPS as possible. BWPS was assembled and sequenced by Darian for a live performance.

"What do you mean by 'Darian's fanmix'?" was the response a slightly annoyed Darian shot back when he was asked whether or not BWPS was illegitimate. 

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2325.msg45495.html#msg45495

Wow! Someone had the nerve to say that? Sheesh!

[Wilsonista]

3) I would ignore as much of BWPS as possible. BWPS was assembled and sequenced by Darian for a live performance.

"What do you mean by 'Darian's fanmix'?" was the response a slightly annoyed Darian shot back when he was asked whether or not BWPS was illegitimate. 

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2325.msg45495.html#msg45495

Wow! Someone had the nerve to say that? Sheesh!

Katie, the post I linked was my own post.

[SG7]

Yes I did see that, but I was referring to the question that was asked to Darian  in it. It just kind of set me back for a second. I still think he never got the credit he deserved. Whether he wants it or not is another story, but when BWPS came out there was all this I don't know what is the right word but anger it seems? Almost that people wanted to keep Smile as this kind of myth that only the music novices could whisper about and keep the bootleg in their secret cabinets. Then nitpicking it to death how it wasn't like what they wanted Smile to sound like. Darian did an amazing job given the task and what a burden to have. I guess the question that could rise relating to the question of the topic, is having a Smile boxset come out would damage what BWPS tried to set up? Would it's importance be damned? Would people forget about BWPS if this came out? These are the kind of things I think about it related to this topic.

[Chris Brown]

Yes I did see that, but I was referring to the question that was asked to Darian  in it. It just kind of set me back for a second. I still think he never got the credit he deserved. Whether he wants it or not is another story, but when BWPS came out there was all this I don't know what is the right word but anger it seems? Almost that people wanted to keep Smile as this kind of myth that only the music novices could whisper about and keep the bootleg in their secret cabinets. Then nitpicking it to death how it wasn't like what they wanted Smile to sound like. Darian did an amazing job given the task and what a burden to have. I guess the question that could rise relating to the question of the topic, is having a Smile boxset come out would damage what BWPS tried to set up? Would it's importance be damned? Would people forget about BWPS if this came out? These are the kind of things I think about it related to this topic.

Katie, I think you hit upon the main reasons why Brian doesn't want a Smile box set to come out.  He wants BWPS to stand as his final thought on the subject, and probably worries that releasing the sessions would undermine the work he did in 2003-04.  I don't think BWPS would be forgotten necessarily, but its status as Brian's "finished" version of Smile would be dented, since the "myth" angle would again be in play.  It's certainly much harder to release a Smile box set in a post-BWPS world, given these issues.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Yes I did see that, but I was referring to the question that was asked to Darian  in it. It just kind of set me back for a second. I still think he never got the credit he deserved. Whether he wants it or not is another story, but when BWPS came out there was all this I don't know what is the right word but anger it seems? Almost that people wanted to keep Smile as this kind of myth that only the music novices could whisper about and keep the bootleg in their secret cabinets. Then nitpicking it to death how it wasn't like what they wanted Smile to sound like. Darian did an amazing job given the task and what a burden to have. I guess the question that could rise relating to the question of the topic, is having a Smile boxset come out would damage what BWPS tried to set up? Would it's importance be damned? Would people forget about BWPS if this came out? These are the kind of things I think about it related to this topic.

Katie, I think you hit upon the main reasons why Brian doesn't want a Smile box set to come out.  He wants BWPS to stand as his final thought on the subject, and probably worries that releasing the sessions would undermine the work he did in 2003-04.  I don't think BWPS would be forgotten necessarily, but its status as Brian's "finished" version of Smile would be dented, since the "myth" angle would again be in play.  It's certainly much harder to release a Smile box set in a post-BWPS world, given these issues.

Brian could care less about BWPS. It's in his past, done with. Next please. His management think that a release of the original sessions would somehow undermine the 2004 release... but then, they were the people also saying that BWPS would go gold early in 2005. Capitol have been salivating to release a Smile Sessions 1966-67 box since the late 90s, correctly assuming that such a release would be a major event which has a guaranteed sales level.

The Gershwin/Disney project has probably put such a release back maybe three years, but it will happen.

Did I say "release" enough times ? 

[The Shift]

Capitol have been salivating to release a Smile Sessions 1966-67 box since the late 90s, correctly assuming that such a release would be a major event which has a guaranteed sales level.
The Gershwin/Disney project has probably put such a release back maybe three years, but it will happen.

Agree that the Disney announcement has probably put the project back but worry that the Capitol peeps will probably sigh and reckon "well, we might as well wait for the 50th anniversary now".  Unless the prospect of copyright expiry forces their hand to act earlier.

[The Heartical Don]

Capitol have been salivating to release a Smile Sessions 1966-67 box since the late 90s, correctly assuming that such a release would be a major event which has a guaranteed sales level.
The Gershwin/Disney project has probably put such a release back maybe three years, but it will happen.

Agree that the Disney announcement has probably put the project back but worry that the Capitol peeps will probably sigh and reckon "well, we might as well wait for the 50th anniversary now".  Unless the prospect of copyright expiry forces their hand to act earlier.

When will the material move over into public domain? Or: can it, since it's unreleased stuff?

[Dancing Bear]

Almost that people wanted to keep Smile as this kind of myth that only the music novices could whisper about and keep the bootleg in their secret cabinets. Then nitpicking it to death how it wasn't like what they wanted Smile to sound like.

Bullshit.

I could also say... Almost that those who love BWPS do so because they want it to be a happy ending to a myth that they created, that Smile is the most important thing in Brian's life, his masterpiece, the failure that sent him to bed, and completing it has healed the poor guy and now the angels are standing behind him again.

See how unfair it sounds? Let people voice opinions about music they listened to.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Capitol have been salivating to release a Smile Sessions 1966-67 box since the late 90s, correctly assuming that such a release would be a major event which has a guaranteed sales level.
The Gershwin/Disney project has probably put such a release back maybe three years, but it will happen.

Agree that the Disney announcement has probably put the project back but worry that the Capitol peeps will probably sigh and reckon "well, we might as well wait for the 50th anniversary now".  Unless the prospect of copyright expiry forces their hand to act earlier.

When will the material move over into public domain? Or: can it, since it's unreleased stuff?

The copyright on the  Smile material expires 70 years after Brian dies. So, roughly 2090-2100.

[SG7]

I'm NOT saying it's bad to have different opinions. I don't frequent here often so I never have too much time in dabble in deep arguments of the like. Is it right to say however that there WERE people that did these kinds of things? Is it wrong to simply point that out? To each their own I guess. In the end it is just an opinion, it doesn't end the world.

[Dancing Bear]

Is it wrong to simply point that out?

No, just unnecessary.

[Wirestone]

Brrrgh! I like the original Smile sessions best (stomp stomp stomp)

BWPS is a travesty! (stomp stomp stomp)

Anyone who even suggests it might be Brian Wilson's final thoughts on the matter is an easily led ninny! (stomp stomp stomp)

Brggh! Raugh! I am the Smile monster!

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I'd be perfectly happy with a 180 gram vinly release of the original Smile, all stitched together nice and neat with the original Frank Holmes gatefold cover (was it going to be a gatefold?) and booklet!

Then I could stick it right in there between Pet Sounds and Wild Honey, and all would be right with the universe! 

[variable2]

Brrrgh! I like the original Smile sessions best (stomp stomp stomp)

BWPS is a travesty! (stomp stomp stomp)

Anyone who even suggests it might be Brian Wilson's final thoughts on the matter is an easily led ninny! (stomp stomp stomp)

Brggh! Raugh! I am the Smile monster!

 

[Jason]

Brrrgh! I like the original Smile sessions best (stomp stomp stomp)

BWPS is a travesty! (stomp stomp stomp)

Anyone who even suggests it might be Brian Wilson's final thoughts on the matter is an easily led ninny! (stomp stomp stomp)

Brggh! Raugh! I am the Smile monster!

You know you'll get hemorrhoids doing that, right?

[SG7]

I wanna meet the TLOS  monster now! 

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I've met him and it wasn't pretty!

Only Luther might get the joke! 

[Alex]

I wanna meet the TLOS  monster now! 

It's probably not as ferocious as the GIOMH monster!!

[Sheriff John Stone]

Brian could care less about BWPS.

Nobody has responded to this. Interesting....

[the captain]

I've met him and it wasn't pretty!

Only Luther might get the joke! 

That Lucky Ol' Me.

[The Shift]

Capitol have been salivating to release a Smile Sessions 1966-67 box since the late 90s, correctly assuming that such a release would be a major event which has a guaranteed sales level.
The Gershwin/Disney project has probably put such a release back maybe three years, but it will happen.

Agree that the Disney announcement has probably put the project back but worry that the Capitol peeps will probably sigh and reckon "well, we might as well wait for the 50th anniversary now".  Unless the prospect of copyright expiry forces their hand to act earlier.

When will the material move over into public domain? Or: can it, since it's unreleased stuff?

The copyright on the  Smile material expires 70 years after Brian dies. So, roughly 2090-2100.

Oh dear... oh my. Then let's hope the Sheriff's prediction of a 50th anniversary set really does come true.

[The Heartical Don]

I AM THE SUMMER IN PARADISE MONSTER GRRRR...