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« on: September 21, 2009, 08:39:46 AM »

The Lei'd In Hawaii era Beach Boys might be the single most interesting time period to me, but it also seems to have much more limited information available about it.

One question in particular I have is, when the group went into Wally Heider Studios to re-record their live performances for release, is there the possibility that they completed any more songs than the ones that circulate on unofficial releases? The ones that I have seen exist are:

1. California Girls
2. Help 'You' Rhonda
3. You're So Good To Me
4. Surfer Girl
5. The Letter
6.Heroes & Villans (with voiceover at the end)
7. Their Hearts Were Full of Spring
8. God Only Knows
9. An organ fragment from 'Surfin'

Is it known that these were the only songs recorded? Or is it possible that there were other songs recorded still in the archives? Forgive me if these are stupid questions, I'm not expert!  angel
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2009, 08:44:02 AM »

Was 'Their Hearts Were Full of Spring' recorded during the Wally Heider sessions? I thought it was part of a rehearsal (before the show?) But if they did record it later, why? It wasn't performed at the concert
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2009, 10:19:13 AM »

"Their Hearts..." is from the Hawaii recordings, not the Heider session.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2009, 01:58:39 PM »

I was going to start a "Lei'd in Hawaii"-thread myself, so this is a very welcome topic to me.
My question is about the footage. It's been often said in the past, that the whole concerts and some rehearsals were filmed. How true is that? The footage we know doesn't look that professional.

And "Good vibrations" from "Hawthorne" comes from what? The rehearsal or the cleaning-session? Anyway I think those concerts are fascinating and though the performances were very loose and not great at all, there's still that certain magic the Beach Boys always had. Especially with Brian there. I think they did a very good job of doing "H&V" live and if they would've been clean, it probably could've been a great concert and something they could have done (featuring Bruce and Brian) at Monterey without being afraid
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2009, 02:31:20 PM »

And "Good vibrations" from "Hawthorne" comes from what? The rehearsal or the cleaning-session?

That's from the rehearsal for the 8/25 gig.
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2009, 02:42:09 PM »

Hawaii... yeah, they didn´t do much rehersal did they? So it must have sound "interessting"... if I just image that Brian played on his organ and ... who was it - Alan? Alan played Bass didn´t he? And he hásn´t played Bass since 1963... so what were they thinking? Does anyone know why Brian "refuses" to play Bass on the Show... and Bruce didn´t go on the trip because... because the guys drink and smoked to much.... ?
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2009, 04:27:26 PM »

Good Vibrations and a cover of the Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders hit Game Of Love were also recorded during the Heider sweetening sessions.

As far as Lei'd In Hawaii concert recordings go, just the two shows exist. Then the rehearsals, which we most likely have not heard all of. Then the sweetening sessions.
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2009, 08:45:11 PM »

Its incorrect to say Brian refused to play bass-since a brief film clip in American Band clearly shows him onstage playing it (it is at the end of the Pet Sound montage-right after God Only Knows clip).  It is clear from the tapes too-that he was upfront for some songs. He just stayed on organ for some of the show
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2009, 10:25:36 PM »

I think they are good shows. Sure they needed some more rehearsal and a little less pot, but it's really cool to hear Brian doing the 65-67 music live with the others.
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2009, 12:05:21 AM »

The rehearsal version of "Surfer Girl" beats the original, for me. The more subtle, understated arrangement is just beautiful.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2009, 12:45:47 AM »

... and not to forget the raw intimacy of God Only Knows ...
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2009, 02:19:16 AM »

The rehearsal version of "Surfer Girl" beats the original, for me. The more subtle, understated arrangement is just beautiful.
Agreed I love the end of the version they didn't put on the box set.
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2009, 05:42:49 AM »

And "Good vibrations" from "Hawthorne" comes from what? The rehearsal or the cleaning-session?

That's from the rehearsal for the 8/25 gig.


Ah, thank you ! I think that version is really great (was Bruce there for the rehearsal?). Like a smiley-smile GV (like they say in the booklet). In fact the Wally Heider-sessions have an awesome sound all around. Really great. If Smiley Smile wasn't made at Brian's house but in a real studio like Heider's, it would've sounded much better, probably like these sessions.

I think GOK (from Endelss Harmony) stands almost eye-to-eye with the original recording.
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2009, 06:13:45 AM »

Wally Heider's God Only Knows is genius. Beautiful take.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2009, 06:51:07 AM »

So there are more tapes in the archives from the rehearsals before the concert then?

I wonder what other tunes are on those tapes. I know I'm dreaming, but it would be really cool as a fan to take the best of all of the rehearsals, live performances, and the Wally Heider sessions and make a genuine fake album that never happened.  Grin

I love the Smiley Smile era stuff, too bad it didn't last longer. Bring back the organ guys!  3D
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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2009, 06:53:15 AM »

So there are more tapes in the archives from the rehearsals before the concert then?

I wonder what other tunes are on those tapes. I know I'm dreaming, but it would be really cool as a fan to take the best of all of the rehearsals, live performances, and the Wally Heider sessions and make a genuine fake album that never happened.  Grin

I love the Smiley Smile era stuff, too bad it didn't last longer. Bring back the organ guys!  3D


I think it would be great if there was some heavy remastering done on the shows.
Oh, and just a reminder for anyone in the know:
It's been often said in the past, that the whole concerts and some rehearsals were filmed. How true is that? The footage we know doesn't look that professional.
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2009, 07:18:04 AM »

So there are more tapes in the archives from the rehearsals before the concert then?

I wonder what other tunes are on those tapes. I know I'm dreaming, but it would be really cool as a fan to take the best of all of the rehearsals, live performances, and the Wally Heider sessions and make a genuine fake album that never happened.  Grin

I love the Smiley Smile era stuff, too bad it didn't last longer. Bring back the organ guys!  3D


I think it would be great if there was some heavy remastering done on the shows.
Oh, and just a reminder for anyone in the know:
It's been often said in the past, that the whole concerts and some rehearsals were filmed. How true is that? The footage we know doesn't look that professional.

This has come up before and my understanding is that some of the concerts were filmed but not professionally and with no sound.  Correct me on this if I'm wrong.

I would love to hear a complete Heroes and Villains Wally Heider take without the Mike Love monologue - until the "comedy" bit starts, it sounds really good!
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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2009, 07:49:49 AM »


This has come up before and my understanding is that some of the concerts were filmed but not professionally and with no sound.  Correct me on this if I'm wrong.

I would love to hear a complete Heroes and Villains Wally Heider take without the Mike Love monologue - until the "comedy" bit starts, it sounds really good!

That is interesting, because than there is at least the possibility of being able to sync the un-professionally filmed video without audio to the audio recorded from the soundboard. That would be an amazing release in my opinion.

I would also like to see the Heroes and Villains released without the monologue. Maybe they could consider this project for the anniversarry releases as well?

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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2009, 08:25:09 AM »

I think they are good shows. Sure they needed some more rehearsal and a little less pot, but it's really cool to hear Brian doing the 65-67 music live with the others.
I don't think pot was the problem...I've always heard from reliable sources that Brian had a plan for the band to take LSD at the Hawaii shows, and the footage looks like at least the other two Wilsons went along with the suggestion.  Brian looks speeded out with the weird mouth contortions(which acid can definitely do), Carl and Dennis have that acid look to me...dilated pupils. I really think they were frying.
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2009, 08:26:11 AM »

If that's the case, I'm surprised they performed as well as they did!
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2009, 09:04:47 AM »

I think they are good shows. Sure they needed some more rehearsal and a little less pot, but it's really cool to hear Brian doing the 65-67 music live with the others.
I don't think pot was the problem...I've always heard from reliable sources that Brian had a plan for the band to take LSD at the Hawaii shows, and the footage looks like at least the other two Wilsons went along with the suggestion.  Brian looks speeded out with the weird mouth contortions(which acid can definitely do), Carl and Dennis have that acid look to me...dilated pupils. I really think they were frying.


Wasn't part of the plan also that the audience should bring along ukuleles to play ?
For me it's hard to discuss their behaviors because the footage on the AAB is edited quite horribly, especially on the often used GOK-clip. It'd be very interesting to see that whole footage without any edits.
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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2009, 10:04:01 AM »

"I've always heard from reliable sources that Brian had a plan for the band to take LSD at the Hawaii shows."  Hence Bruce's "fishing trip",   presumably.  Bruce was there for the post-concert work but I'm assuming he wasn't at the genuine rehearsals, unless he changed his mind late on...
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2009, 10:16:11 AM »

As far as the recordings I have heard, Bruce was only present during the Wally Heider session, and not at the Hawaii Rehearsals.

I tried to ask Bruce about that on the Beach Boys Britain message board, but he didn't get to my question that time around.

I don't hear Bruce anywhere on the Smiley Smile record; is he on there? If not, why not? I've been very curious about that.  Undecided
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2009, 10:20:41 AM »

As far as the recordings I have heard, Bruce was only present during the Wally Heider session, and not at the Hawaii Rehearsals.

I tried to ask Bruce about that on the Beach Boys Britain message board, but he didn't get to my question that time around.

I don't hear Bruce anywhere on the Smiley Smile record; is he on there? If not, why not? I've been very curious about that.  Undecided
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2009, 10:40:47 AM »

My question is about the footage. It's been often said in the past, that the whole concerts and some rehearsals were filmed. How true is that? The footage we know doesn't look that professional.

For me it's hard to discuss their behaviors because the footage on the AAB is edited quite horribly, especially on the often used GOK-clip. It'd be very interesting to see that whole footage without any edits.

Some of the footage has been edited elsewhere with better results, hasn't it?  It most certainly wasn't shot professionally; Dennis 'supervised' the shooting, and for some reason, he could never grasp that you simply had to have a sync track, as least as a guide.  He always wanted to use the best sound quality possible, and felt he could achieve sync later on.(Although it turns out he was more right than I realized, with the way I've seen some of my 16mm silent footage sync'd later on, particularly by Mr. Boyd!  However I was always shooting crystal sync, as if sound was recording, so my speed is usually correct.)  The fellow who did shoot this stuff had no business with a camera in his hands, anyway, but thank heavens he was there, especially for the exteriors.  He was forced on me as a sound man years later, and I couldn't believe how incompetent he was...  Almost had to clock him...
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