Relationships and Law and the Press

[wallabie]

For quiet a while I am wondering about these things. Let me explain them to you, can I? So..

1) Brian Wilson was dating Marilyn Rovell back in 1962, was it? If I am not mistaken Marilyn was 14 (or was she 15?) years old and Brian turned 20. OK, clear so far

2) Back in the year 1978, when Brian and Marilyn were seperated, Brian had a "companion" called Debbie... she was around 16. Is she a mystery? In the whole BB History I just found her once, mentioned in an Article by Nick Kent. So I am wondering... what kind of relationship did they have? And why would a 16 year old girl be interessted in an 37 year old Brian Wilson with 250 pounds ?

3) Nearly at the same time Dennis had a ... short relationship with a 16 year old ... chambermaid.... and if I am not mistaken, Dennis was arrested for this, wasn´t he?

So now I am wondering - why was Dennis arrested for this and Brian was not? Because he had relationships with this mysterious Debbie-Girl and with Marilyn back in 1962?

Does that make any sence and does anyone know... why?
Thank you

[LostArt]

I don't know why for sure.  I think that in Brian and Marilyn's case, the two had the blessings of the Rovell and Wilson families.  I would guess that in Dennis' case, the parents of the girl elected to press charges against Dennis.  As for Brian's late '70s friend, I'm not sure.  I guess I wasn't aware that the girl was that young.  I think she's mentioned in Peter Carlin's "Catch A Wave" book.  I'll have to give that part another read.

[shelter]

So now I am wondering - why was Dennis arrested for this and Brian was not?

Being with an underaged girl isn't illegal if you're not having sex with her. And Brian does seem to me like the kind of guy who could just enjoy being with a girl without necessarily having any sexual intentions. Dennis doesn't.

[c-man]

I don't know why for sure.  I think that in Brian and Marilyn's case, the two had the blessings of the Rovell and Wilson families.  I would guess that in Dennis' case, the parents of the girl elected to press charges against Dennis.  As for Brian's late '70s friend, I'm not sure.  I guess I wasn't aware that the girl was that young.  I think she's mentioned in Peter Carlin's "Catch A Wave" book.  I'll have to give that part another read.

The Debbie in question would be Debbie Keil, Brian's on-and-off again girlfriend in the late '70s.  "The Night Was So Young" is presumably about her.  I'm pretty sure she was of legal age at the time, she just looked (or acted) 16 to Kent.  David Leaf married her best friend.  There's quite a bit about her in the Gaines book.  

[wallabie]

Oh, ok - thank you. Maybe she was in legal age. Somehow it´s funny, that you are not allowed to have sex with a girl under 18 in the USA (in my country it´s 14...) but Brian and Marilyn were allowed to marry 1964 when Marilyn was 16 . And how is it possible then, that so many girls in this periode got pregnant and gave birth to children so quiet young... 

And just of couriosity. Brian and Diane had a litte "affair" hadn´t they.. .but I was never really sure when this happened. Couldn´t help but wondering if some songs written by Brian are actuelly written about Diane... Sometimes when I listen to the songs I could imagine this... just in 2 or 3 songs

[Andrew G. Doe]

The age of consent in the US varies from state to state - generally it's 16 or 17, but yes, in California, it's 18.

And yes, Brian & Diane had a relationship that lasted, to the best of my knowledge, from about 1966-1977. When interviewing The Honeys in the UK in the early 80s, I asked Diane if "My Diane" was really about her, and she confirmed it was. Marilyn, sitting next to her, nodded. The guy who was interviewing them with me fell off his chair.

[wallabie]

Huh... 11 years... I wonder that the two sisters are still talking to each other... thank you Andrew for this Information.

For quiet a long time I thought, Brian was "Mr. Nice Guy", a little shy with women and happy to have Marilyn. And then he had a relationship with Diane for such a long time..

Now I wonder... Brian wrote the song "My Diane" around 1976, wasn´t it? How did Marilyn react on this, she must have noticed that this song exists, didn´t she?

Poor Brian *haha*.. had 2 women for 11 years and then he lost both of them...

[Andrew G. Doe]

Now I wonder... Brian wrote the song "My Diane" around 1976, wasn´t it? How did Marilyn react on this, she must have noticed that this song exists, didn´t she?

Er... read my last post again ? 

[Smilin Ed H]

" Debbie Keil, Brian's on-and-off again girlfriend in the late '70s".  About 30-35, wasn't she?  Either she looked really young or Kent was stoned or he was taking considerable journalistic liberties with the truth.  Or he's not as good as people reckon he is...

[Wirestone]

The story Brian tells in his book (no idea how reliable this is, obviously) is that he fell for Diane first, but she was too young or already taken or something along those lines, so he cozied up to Marilyn instead. But Diane was in some respects always up there in his mind.

[wallabie]

@Andrew: No, I didn´t mean how Marilyn react at the Interview - what did she do back in 1976.. guess Brian must have played this song somewhere at his Piano .. or sang it at home.. or played it in the studio where Marilyn was involved... she must have wondered why this song is about Diane, didn´t she?  ....

Marilyn: Like... "Hey you son of a g... " (I mean...sorry).. "why do you write a love song about my sister? Hah?"
Brian: "Ah... go away, tell Wendy she should buy me some speed"


or anything like this?

[Andrew G. Doe]

The story Brian tells in his book (no idea how reliable this is, obviously) is that he fell for Diane first, but she was too young or already taken or something along those lines, so he cozied up to Marilyn instead. But Diane was in some respects always up there in his mind.

Actually, he fancied Barbara first...

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

So that really IS true? I thought that was just some made up thing in the "autobiography". Wasn't she like 13 at the time?

I think I just sh*t myself.

[wallabie]

According to the homepage of the English guy  (just kidding, sorry) Marilyn was born February the 6th, anno domini 1948

That means... Bri and Mar met at the 28 Oktober 1962 .. would mean, Marilyn was 14 years 6 month and 22 days if I am not mistaken?

According to my reasearch it happened like this.

Gary Usher: "Hey Bri, want you to meet my girlfriend. She has some cute Honeys with her"
So Brian did go over, fell in Love with Diane.

Brian: "Hey, what is your drink?"
Marilyn: "Hot Chocolate... want to have a sip?"
Brian: "Sure, Love to"
(staring at Diane all the time... suddenly... Marilyn crys... Brian... Hot Chocolate... Marilyn... no good combination

Brian: "Oops, that was me..."
Diane: "What a clumsy idiot..."
Marilyn: "Oh, poor boy, he is sooo cute..."


 
Give or take a line 

[Andrew G. Doe]

According to the homepage of the English guy  (just kidding, sorry) Marilyn was born February the 6th, anno domini 1948

That means... Bri and Mar met at the 28 Oktober 1962 .. would mean, Marilyn was 14 years 6 month and 22 days if I am not mistaken?

She could have been some two months younger - Ian's handed me some info that strongly suggests the BB were playing at Pandora's Box in late August/early September 1962. Barbara was younger still...

[Alex]

I don't know why for sure.  I think that in Brian and Marilyn's case, the two had the blessings of the Rovell and Wilson families.  I would guess that in Dennis' case, the parents of the girl elected to press charges against Dennis.  As for Brian's late '70s friend, I'm not sure.  I guess I wasn't aware that the girl was that young.  I think she's mentioned in Peter Carlin's "Catch A Wave" book.  I'll have to give that part another read.

Steven Gaines mentions a Debbie Kiel quite a few times in Heroes and Villains.

[wallabie]

Heroes & Villains... huh, never read that book though, heard it´s a bit... yeah, I leave it here

@AGD: Er, may I ask you who this Barbara is? Barbara Charren? Barbara Lamm?  ...


"I was goin out with a lot of girls and to all of them I tried to be true..." and so on...

[Smilin Ed H]

So did Gaines just repeat Kent's ridiculous assertion? Or vice versa?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Heroes & Villains... huh, never read that book though, heard it´s a bit... yeah, I leave it here

@AGD: Er, may I ask you who this Barbara is? Barbara Charren? Barbara Lamm?  ...


"I was goin out with a lot of girls and to all of them I tried to be true..." and so on...

Barbara Rovell.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

No, I mean wasn't Barbara about that age? So, if Marilyn was 14, wasn't Barbara 11? So if he fancied HER first, then that's seriously f***ed up.

[Wirestone]

She's a roller skating child with a ribbon in her hair
She gets my heart to beating when she's standing there ...

Hey little hey little hey little tomboy
Time you turned into a girl ...

[Aegir]

And we'll make sweet lovin' when the sun goes down.

[Sheriff John Stone]

Yeah, when I read the first couple of paragraphs of the first post, I thought this thread was gonna be about the Wilsons' penchant for very young girls.

BTW, how old were the Manson girls and Shawn Love when Dennis "met" them?

[wallabie]

He these things can happen. We rented a boat the other day and I just chatted a bit with the boat house girl and though "Gosh, she is cute".. in the end I found out that she  was 16... so..  I understand the boys....


But you are right.. they had a lot of things goin on with young girls... also Mike... isn´t his wife actually 30 years younger then him?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Yeah, when I read the first couple of paragraphs of the first post, I thought this thread was gonna be about the Wilsons' penchant for very young girls.

BTW, how old were the Manson girls and Shawn Love when Dennis "met" them?

Manson girls were mostly born late 40s... Shawn was born December 1964, so when she met Denny she'd have been 17, 18.