Relationship between Brian and Carl

[Wirestone]

Just for kicks -- imagine this:

1. Soul Searchin'
2. You're Still A Mystery
3. Chain Reaction of Love
4. Getting In Over My Head
5. Desert Drive
6. Saturday Morning In The City
7. Market Place
8. Must Be A Miracle
9. Mary Anne
10. Elbow '64
11. Some Sweet Day
12. This Song Wants to Sleep With You

Imagine all of those songs with BB vocals. Imagine the reaction to an album like that if it came out in '96 or '97.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Add "It's Not Easy Being Me" & "Slightly American Music" and you got my vote.

[Nicko1234]

Just for kicks -- imagine this:

1. Soul Searchin'
2. You're Still A Mystery
3. Chain Reaction of Love
4. Getting In Over My Head
5. Desert Drive
6. Saturday Morning In The City
7. Market Place
8. Must Be A Miracle
9. Mary Anne
10. Elbow '64
11. Some Sweet Day
12. This Song Wants to Sleep With You

Imagine all of those songs with BB vocals. Imagine the reaction to an album like that if it came out in '96 or '97.

That could have been a good, if not great album I think but...it would have been a Paley/Wilson album rather than a BBs album in my opinion.  If I were one of the BBs, I wouldn`t have wanted to come in to sing guest vocals on songs which Brian may have written a bit on. Especially if somebody else was producing.

[TdHabib]

It would've been a great album indeed, I heart the Paley sessions; in my mind it's the best thing (along with TLOS) that's Brian's done since 1977 by far.

[Wirestone]

On the good vs. great issue -- I think the Paley sessions can be overrated. But if you prune them down a bit, you have solid bedrock for a comeback. And even if the album was only okay, the mood at the time meant it would have been pretty darn acclaimed -- look at how well received things like "Flaming Pie" and the first Cash comeback were.

People wanted to see their icons return, weathered but resilient. The boys could well have done that.

The alternate scenario, of course, is that you could scrap four or five of the Paley songs and write some new ones to make it more of a group affair. That was a far more rewarding (and potentially lucrative) proposition than rejecting the entire thing. Mike tried. Carl bailed. Brian wanted to do it. Tragic.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Add "It's Not Easy Being Me" & "Slightly American Music" and you got my vote.

I thought you didn't like the Wilson/Paley stuff...?

[wallabie]

I heard once - am not sure - that Carl offered "Run don´t walk" for this Beach Boys Album in 1995. And if I am not mistaken, Mike Love wrote (or was supposed to do so) lyrics for the "Dancing the night away" on which Carl walked out of the studio.

But I am still wondering. How is this possible that Carl didn´t like the new meterial but he sang on both Summer in Paradise and Stars & Stripes?

Ok, I understand... the Sound of Wilson/Paley was far away from the sound the Beach Boys had with Terry Melcher. And Bruce stated once that he was also not very happy with the material and the fact, that Andy Paley was involved.


It´s a pitty... also that the Virgin Deal 1996 never took place. Instead we have "Stars & Stripes" ... gosh... Being a guest on your own CD, same thing happened now with "Postcards from California"..

[joe_blow]

A bit off topic, but not entirely, how did Brian being able to sing on the Spanish version of Kokomo come about? Did Landy give that one the ok? Was Brian indeed called for the sessions but at the last moment as written in WIBN?

[MBE]

Jardine refutes the auto biography (which is false on almost everything) and says that Brian was invited but that Landy wouldn't let him do it unless Landy got in on the action. Co-producer credit, maybe a co-writing credit etc. Brian should not be mad at the group. It is Landy's fault 100 percent.

[wallabie]

My understanding was, that Landy wrote WIBN with Todd Gold and that Brian had nearly nothing to do with it. In an Interview around 1989 Mike stated, that the Band invited Brian - but not Brian directly, because they couldn´t get in touch with him.

So -

1) Mike said in this Interveiw: We invited Brian, but Landy always refuses
2) Brian stated in an other Interview in the beginning of the 90th that we was invited to the sessions, but it was like: "He Brian, we are in the studio. Would you like to come over?"
3) IN the Endless Harmony Dokumentation Mike stated, that Landy only´d give his permission to be a part of Kokomo if he gets a credit as co-producer and co-writer.

A nearly similar thing happend at the 25th Celebration in Hawaii when Landy decided that Brian would only be a part of the Concert if the Beach Boys play the Song "Spirit of Rock and Roll". That wasn´t a big problem because it was reported that Mike really liked this song.

Some questions are not answered yet:

1) Brian was part of the Still Cruisin Album with two songs. They rerecord "In my car" for it, with Carl taking part. And Brian sang the intro to "Island Girl". Brian also participated in the "Somewhere near Japan" Video.


2) Also the story behind "Wipe Out" is a bit odd. Mike had the Idea of doin a Rap-Song with Run-DMC but he terminanted the contract himself. Then they worked with "The Fat Boys" - but. It is reported that Landy wanted Gary Usher to be the producer of the song, is that right? If I remember correctly, Bruce refused to work with Usher. So it is reported that Brian and Jeffrey Foskett are the only "Members" that were a part in Wipe Out - but everytime when I hear the song... I can hear Mike... ?

So why didn´t they "go together" on Wipe Out - was it also Landy? ... so, now I am completely off-topic

[Jay]

It would've been a great album indeed, I heart the Paley sessions; in my mind it's the best thing (along with TLOS) that's Brian's done since 1977 by far.

I'll one up that. It's Not Easy Being Me and Getting In Over My Head are Brian's best songs since Wonderful, and Caroline, No.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Some questions are not answered yet:

1) Brian was part of the Still Cruisin Album with two songs. They rerecord "In my car" for it, with Carl taking part. And Brian sang the intro to "Island Girl". Brian also participated in the "Somewhere near Japan" Video.

Bruce told me that "In My Car" "came to the album very late. It was a surprise". To make it seem less of a BW solo track, Carl & Alan overdubbed a few lead vocal lines.

2) Also the story behind "Wipe Out" is a bit odd. Mike had the Idea of doin a Rap-Song with Run-DMC but he terminanted the contract himself. Then they worked with "The Fat Boys" - but. It is reported that Landy wanted Gary Usher to be the producer of the song, is that right? If I remember correctly, Bruce refused to work with Usher. So it is reported that Brian and Jeffrey Foskett are the only "Members" that were a part in Wipe Out - but everytime when I hear the song... I can hear Mike... ?

So why didn´t they "go together" on Wipe Out - was it also Landy? ... so, now I am completely off-topic

Ever since the track was released, the only BB I could hear on this song is Brian... and I find it significant that in the 20-odd years I've been saying this, no 'interested party' has taken me up on it.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

So Mike's not on it? Who is doing the low part?

[Nicko1234]

I'll one up that. It's Not Easy Being Me and Getting In Over My Head are Brian's best songs since Wonderful, and Caroline, No.

I respectfully disagree but it`s all about opinions of course. It`s Not Easy Being Me is an ok song but nothing special. Gettin` in Over My Head is much better but still trails a long way behind the likes of This Whole World and Til I Die imo.

[Andrew G. Doe]

So Mike's not on it? Who is doing the low part?

Da cuz. 

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

One of his other cousins, i.e. one of the other Love brothers? Fucking weird if that is the case

[Andrew G. Doe]

One of his other cousins, i.e. one of the other Love brothers? friggin' weird if that is the case

Brian.

[wallabie]

That´s Brian? Are you sure? I really thought it must be Mike... you know, this "dededede..."... this is Brian? First I thought that´s Mike, then I had Jeff in mind... and now... huh. Can´t trust your own ears

Beach Boys History is really weird . Because Brian was the only Beach Boys on "Wipe out" (and on Daddy´s Little Girl, it was labeld as "Beach Boys" song wasn´t it?) but he is in the Videos of Wipe Out and Someone near Japan... and in the Wipe Out Video all but Carl were included...


An 3rd question (back to topic) - Does anyone know more about this story that Brian gave his share (or vote) of Brother Records to Carl? But eventuelly he got it back.. I was just wondering why and when

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I thought the "bow-bow-bow-BOW-Bow" and the "dededede" parts were Mike too.

Live and learn!

[Andrew G. Doe]

That´s Brian? Are you sure? I really thought it must be Mike... you know, this "dededede..."... this is Brian? First I thought that´s Mike, then I had Jeff in mind... and now... huh. Can´t trust your own ears

This is only my opinion - listen again to the bass vocal closely... there's a quality there that Mike never showed (not saying it's better, just... different): Mike's bass vocals were/are very distinctive. This doesn't sound like him... and for those who say Brain can't do bass, check out the unreleased Spring version of "Shortenin' Bread" he used for the Adult/Child album - that's him on bass.

Beach Boys History is really weird . Because Brian was the only Beach Boys on "Wipe out" (and on Daddy´s Little Girl, it was labeld as "Beach Boys" song wasn´t it?)

Nope - credited on the soundtrack album as by Brian Wilson.

An 3rd question (back to topic) - Does anyone know more about this story that Brian gave his share (or vote) of Brother Records to Carl? But eventuelly he got it back.. I was just wondering why and when

Not exactly - during the 70s, when Brian really couldn't be bothered, he either abstained or gave Mike his vote. Why Mike and not Carl, or Dennis ? I have absolutely no idea...

[smile-holland]

Beach Boys History is really weird . Because Brian was the only Beach Boys on "Wipe out" (and on Daddy´s Little Girl, it was labeld as "Beach Boys" song wasn´t it?)

Nope - credited on the soundtrack album as by Brian Wilson.

I think wallabie meant the "(Barbie) Living Doll" flexi single that was released with the California Dream Barbie doll. That one mentions that it's a Beach Boys song, but the only BB present is Brian.

[Wirestone]

Brian is on more than Island Girl and In My Car for Still Cruisin. He's also on the tag for Make it Big.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Beach Boys History is really weird . Because Brian was the only Beach Boys on "Wipe out" (and on Daddy´s Little Girl, it was labeld as "Beach Boys" song wasn´t it?)

Nope - credited on the soundtrack album as by Brian Wilson.

I think wallabie meant the "(Barbie) Living Doll" flexi single that was released with the California Dream Barbie doll. That one mentions that it's a Beach Boys song, but the only BB present is Brian.

True indeed... but when someone asks me about "Daddie's Little Girl", that's the track I tend to reply about. I'm quirky like that. 

[Aegir]

Or "Caroline No".

[southbay]

If you read "The Wilson Project", Gary Usher gives an depth discussion of the Wipeout Recording session, as well as the days leading up to that.  Per that book, Brian, Mike, Al and Bruce were at that session in LA (of course, that doesn't necessarily mean all were represented in the final mix, I know).  Usher said that the song had poor production from the Fat Boys' end, but that Brian came in to the studio with all of the guys' vocal parts prepared, and that he (Usher) was surprisingly impressed with them (based upon his then day-to-day work with Brian).