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« on: September 04, 2009, 08:16:26 AM »


9/4/09

BEACH BOYS ARCHIVE INCLUDES LEGENDARY 1972 CARNEGIE HALL TAPES

by Howie Edelson

The Beatles aren't the only '60s icons preserving their legendary catalogue and vault; the Beach Boys' team is hard at work cataloging the thousands of tapes which make up their archive. The team -- chief archivist Alan Boyd and producer/engineer Mark Linett -- has recently collected all of the known elements of the band's unfinished 1967 album Smile, and have now uncovered the multi-tracks for the Beach Boys' two historic concerts at New York's Carnegie Hall on November 23rd, 1972.

For years, only half of one of the shows has been available in pristine stereo on the underground market. Boyd says that the band's company Brother Records is in possession of all of the multi-track masters of the shows, and is now collecting appropriate film and video footage which could be included on a potential project.

Elvis Costello saw the Beach Boys six months prior to the Carnegie Hall show in his then-hometown of Liverpool, and was amazed at how the band's current image and musicality transcended their iconic '60s image: "I saw the Beach Boys in Liverpool at the Liverpool Empire. That was a very different experience. They were in that... one of the periods, although Carl and Dennis (Wilson) were singing in the band, Brian (Wilson) wasn't with them, but the Surf's Up album and the beautiful Carl And The Passions album were out -- and Holland -- those records were out. Dennis sang an extraordinary version of "Cuddle Up" at that gig, which I'll never forget. That was an incredible thing to see; because although the main writer wasn't present, you realize that they had reclaimed themselves as a creative band away from the cliched idea of these guys that sing these car songs and dress in stripey shirts."

The songs performed by the Beach Boys at Carnegie Hall: "Sloop John B.," "You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone," "Leaving This Town," "Darlin'," "Only With You," "Heroes And Villains," "Long Promised Road," "Don't Worry Baby," "Student Demonstration Time," "I Get Around," "Marcella," "California Saga," "Help Me, Rhonda," "Medley: Wonderful/Don't Worry Bill," "God Only Knows," "Do It Again," "Wouldn't It Be Nice," "Wild Honey," "Good Vibrations," "Surfin' U.S.A," "Fun, Fun, Fun," and "Jumpin' Jack Flash."

The official members of the Beach Boys at the time were Dennis and Carl Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, Blondie Chaplin, and Ricky Fataar.

Alan Boyd says that his and Linett's primary public duties for the Beach Boys are locating the masters to the band's earlier work, and remixing them into modern stereo mixes for the band's numerous career-spanning compilations: "The fans and the public at large really seem to like these new stereo mixes, and that was really apparent when Mark did Pet Sounds in 1997. And the reaction to that is so strong that he started looking at other albums and other tracks, so every time we have the opportunity -- we did a lot of this on the Hawthorne record -- we've been going back and doing that, 'cause there's so much pressure brought to bear, y'know, in the market, for things to be in stereo."

Boyd and Linett -- both Grammy nominees -- have collaborated on such recent Beach Boys collections as Endless Harmony, Hawthorne, CA, Good Timin': Live At Knebworth England 1980, The Warmth Of The Sun, The Original U.S. Singles Collection The Capitol Years 1962-1965 box set, and the recently released Summer Love Songs.

Linett is also known for his work with Brian Wilson over the past two decades -- including the revamping of the entire Beach Boys' catalogue beginning in the late 1980's. Linett's work on 2004's Brian Wilson Presents Smile was nominated for a Grammy for Best Engineered Album (Non-Classical).

The Beach Boys -- featuring Mike Love and Bruce Johnston -- perform tomorrow night (September 5th) in Saint Petersburg, Florida at Tropicana Field.

Beach Boys cofounder David Marks will join Southern California rock legends Dean Torrence of Jan & Dean and Billy Hinsche at Endless Summer Quarterly's East Coast Convention dubbed the "Pet Sounds Safari" on September 11th and 12th in Cornelius and Davidson, North Carolina -- which is just 20 minutes North of the Charlotte Metro area. Proceeds from the convention will benefit the Cornelius Animal Shelter. For ticket, schedule, and venue information, log on to endlesssummerquarterly.blogspot.com.

Brian Wilson kicks off his next series of solo dates on October 23rd in Mount Pleasant, Michigan at the Soaring Eagle Casino & Resort.

Wilson has just added a new date to his itinerary, and will play on November 12th in Lowell, Massachusetts at the Lowell Memorial Auditorium.
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2009, 08:34:44 AM »

Now this sounds tasty!
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2009, 08:38:00 AM »

I like the Carnegie project, audio and video? Sign me up! However, I really hope they stop releasing 12 songs we already have and like 3 new ones...They need to beef up these cds with purely unreleased material...or a box set!
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2009, 09:30:33 AM »

I like the Carnegie project, audio and video? Sign me up! However, I really hope they stop releasing 12 songs we already have and like 3 new ones...They need to beef up these cds with purely unreleased material...or a box set!

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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2009, 12:39:32 PM »

Do I hear "BeachBoysCentral.com" and "50th anniversary" ?
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2009, 12:44:06 PM »

Do I hear "BeachBoysCentral.com" and "50th anniversary" ?
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2009, 02:26:59 PM »

chief archivist Alan Boyd and producer/engineer Mark Linett -- has recently collected all of the known elements of the band's unfinished 1967 album Smile,

Does this mean they've recently, as in post-BWPS, collected all known elements of Smile i.e. in preparation for a possible sessions release or am I misreading this?
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2009, 02:46:37 PM »

Do I hear "BeachBoysCentral.com" and "50th anniversary" ?
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Do you mean this will come out for the 50th Anniversary of BeachBoysCentral.com (counting from the day it goes live, that is) ?   Roll Eyes



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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2009, 03:17:09 PM »

The team -- chief archivist Alan Boyd and producer/engineer Mark Linett -- has recently collected all of the known elements of the band's unfinished 1967 album Smile,
How was this just a passing mention??
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2009, 03:36:52 PM »

The Smile mention gives me hope of a future Smile sessions release . . . and is anyone else stoked about finally getting a soundboard recording of Blondie singing "Wild Honey?"
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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2009, 04:11:51 PM »

chief archivist Alan Boyd and producer/engineer Mark Linett -- has recently collected all of the known elements of the band's unfinished 1967 album Smile,

Does this mean they've recently, as in post-BWPS, collected all known elements of Smile i.e. in preparation for a possible sessions release or am I misreading this?

And what, if anything, was found that is new?  If they were collecting all of the known "elements," does that mean the Durrie Parks acetates and other recordings in private hands were collected?  Or maybe this just refers the parts of The Elements, and everything else was ignored.
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2009, 05:05:29 PM »

Wow, this sounds interesting! Smiley I really can't wait for the 50th anniversary just to see what comes of it!
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2009, 05:05:56 PM »

A good, full 1972 Carnegie CD, DVD or CD and DVD package would be so great ... especially if there were extras including additional footage, interviews (of the time and modern) with surviving band members, etc. I really hope something like that is released as a distinct package, not with tracks here and there across compilations.

Oh yeah, and the Smile stuff sounds good too.  Cool
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2009, 05:32:54 PM »

A good, full 1972 Carnegie CD, DVD or CD and DVD package would be so great ... especially if there were extras including additional footage, interviews (of the time and modern) with surviving band members, etc. I really hope something like that is released as a distinct package, not with tracks here and there across compilations.

Oh yeah, and the Smile stuff sounds good too.  Cool

Yeah I had no idea that it was filmed so that is awesome news! I also reckon they should release that 67 concert from Paris I think it was? There was a clip of them doing "God Only Knows" from that and it was really good.

But yeah a SMiLE box set would be the best, but I'd still love to see some more concerts released. How about the Sacramento shows and the '93 Paramount Theatre concert as well? But honestly, I'd be happy with anything new that comes out.
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2009, 05:33:36 PM »

I have always wanted to see more of the Chaplin/Fataar era live. I have only seen 2 second glimpses in documentaries and such.
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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2009, 06:15:24 PM »

I think I'm too stupid to understand this press release... Huh
Are they announcing the opening of BBcentral ?
A SMiLE box? Or is this just more good news about finding lost tapes? HELP
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2009, 06:36:43 PM »

is anyone else stoked about finally getting a soundboard recording of Blondie singing "Wild Honey?"

I'd still prefer a soundboard recording of Carl singing "Wild Honey," but that's just me.  Grin  I certainly wouldn't turn the other down, tho.

Seriously, I'd love to hear all of this material!



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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2009, 06:42:06 PM »

I think I'm too stupid to understand this press release... Huh
Are they announcing the opening of BBcentral ?
A SMiLE box? Or is this just more good news about finding lost tapes? HELP

Mostly the latter. The release says only that they have got, logged and mixed audio of the Carnegie show so that it could be released, as they have been doing with other audio (including Smile tapes). There isn't any launch or release being announced here.
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2009, 06:58:11 PM »

This is the best thing I've heard/read all year.Grin Let's hope we get BOTH shows on cd, as well as on dvd. I'd also like to have BOTH of the Maryland 1977 pro-shot films. A 30 disc box set of the complete 1966-67 Smile tapes would be great, too.  Grin Let's hope they don't f*** it up and only release it on iTunes, or even worse, mp3.
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2009, 07:56:18 PM »

The Carnegie Hall show is just the tops--Dennis and Carl are in such fine form!
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2009, 09:03:19 PM »

Does anyone know whether Dennis sang Cuddle Up in the 2nd Carnegie Hall set?
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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2009, 11:35:17 PM »

I saw that "You Need A Mess Of Help(To Stand Alone)" is one of the songs mentioned. I believe that not to many live versions of that are around.
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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2009, 11:40:54 PM »

And what, if anything, was found that is new?  If they were collecting all of the known "elements," does that mean the Durrie Parks acetates and other recordings in private hands were collected? 

Good questions.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?
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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2009, 07:54:04 AM »

As much as I would like to hear this concert in full, I hate that they make such a big deal about Dennis Wilson's contribution to the live act - yet this release would contain barely a trace of that. Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but when will we ever get to hear properly recorded and mastered live 70's performances of Surf's Up, Forever, Barbara, Disney Girls, Feel Flows, River Song, Big Sur, Cool Cool Water, Cuddle Up, Don't Talk etc.?
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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2009, 08:38:19 AM »

The Smile mention gives me hope of a future Smile sessions release . . . and is anyone else stoked about finally getting a soundboard recording of Blondie singing "Wild Honey?"


Much better, it's gonna be a multi-track recording, no shitty soundboard !



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For years, only half of one of the shows has been available in pristine stereo on the underground market. Boyd says that the band's company Brother Records is in possession of all of the multi-track masters of the shows, and is now collecting appropriate film and video footage which could be included on a potential project.


Does this mean that the shows were filmed? Or are they trying to synch it with video from other performances?
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