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« on: February 14, 2006, 11:37:38 AM »

Discuss, review and rate The Beach Boys: The Definitive Diary of America's Greatest Band on Stage and in the Studio, released October 1, 2004.

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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2006, 11:40:50 AM »

I thought it was a good, solid attempt. Especially the bits that were, um, borrowed from my website and the old SmileShop Smile primer.  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2006, 01:34:56 PM »

I knew there was a reason why I liked it! Grin
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2006, 01:44:29 PM »

It's truly a bizarre feeling to be leafing through a book and keep coming across familiar bits of writing... but that's all settled now.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2006, 08:52:24 AM »

It's truly a bizarre feeling to be leafing through a book and keep coming across familiar bits of writing... but that's all settled now.  Wink
Did you get a proper excuse? What about Lou?
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2006, 01:19:16 PM »

Yes... eventually.

Initially the publishers just said "there's only so many ways you can say "Joe Doaks died"", so I offered to send them photocopies of the post-1976 summaries and printouts of my timeline with the, ah, similarities highlighted in green. There was a LOT of green.  Grin

Mailed it. About a week later, got an email saying, essentially, they were sorry and if there was a reprint I'd get proper accreditation and freebies. They also took on board that sections of the  pre-1977 text borrowed heavily from my website.

Keith himself was fine about it - seems he had a team of researchers and some were less than diligent about naming sources. I understand Lou got a similar deal.

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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2006, 06:18:44 AM »

Problems aside, it's still a great resource, chock full of great photos.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2006, 05:40:25 AM »

i like the book a whole lot, prolly one of my favs. great pics, good info, and you can steal the BB/Wrecking Crew's identity via their SSN's on the Session Sheet pics
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2006, 12:19:41 PM »

Love it, very informative and inspiring to read.
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2006, 09:05:20 AM »

I perused, thumbed, read, and flipped through this for about a year.   A grand lot of minutia, pictures, contracts, and SSN's :D
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2006, 02:53:20 PM »

a great "pick up and pick a year" to read book
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2006, 02:44:15 PM »

A really cool book. I hope there will be a vol.2 but please without so many mistakes. Anyway, I like it very much and it's design is great !
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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2006, 11:24:33 PM »

There are some events left out and it should not be considered the last word, but overall the photos are cool and the info helpfull. I really like how it throws light on every member and also helps a lot with the TV shows and tours. It proves Brian's functionality was always higher then the myth said.
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 12:33:10 AM »

So I've recently been researching the SMiLE sessions and have been using Keith Badman's book as a main source of info.  However I remember there being some controversy when the book came out regarding some of his SMiLE session dates or facts as being incorrect.  So I was wondering if anyone here knew exactly what sessions he goofed on.  Any help appreciated...

Oh for what it's worth, I own the second edition of the book.  (I know this because no social security numbers of session musicians appear in it!)
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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2007, 12:49:53 AM »

Keith (or his researchers) lifted a LOT of the Smile session info from the excellent primer posted on the old SmileShop site by Lou (uncredited too), so that will be pretty accurate. However, he extrapolated a lot from that info, and much of his guesswork is spurious (in fact, that can be said for his session info in general - the AFM sheets give good information, but his use of them is dubious, notably the first one for "Surfin'"). I can state with total authority that the 12/5/66 session for "Fire" never happened - because I'm the one who, in an issue of Stomp started the myth, based on a misreading of a Capitol session sheet. If his researchers had read the next few issues they'd have seen me 'fess up.  Smiley

Jason, when did you buy the 2nd edition, and what is the publication date ?
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2007, 11:19:01 AM »

Keith (or his researchers) lifted a LOT of the Smile session info from the excellent primer posted on the old SmileShop site by Lou (uncredited too), so that will be pretty accurate. However, he extrapolated a lot from that info, and much of his guesswork is spurious (in fact, that can be said for his session info in general - the AFM sheets give good information, but his use of them is dubious, notably the first one for "Surfin'"). I can state with total authority that the 12/5/66 session for "Fire" never happened - because I'm the one who, in an issue of Stomp started the myth, based on a misreading of a Capitol session sheet. If his researchers had read the next few issues they'd have seen me 'fess up.  Smiley

Jason, when did you buy the 2nd edition, and what is the publication date ?


Thank you Andrew.  That's interesting because 12.05.66 was what he had listed as the vocal overdubbing session for "Fire", so unless some vocals were laid down at the 11.28.66 tracking session, the piece never had any actual Beach Boy voices on it.

I got my copy through Amazon (US), and apparently I was wrong and  it IS a first edition (2004) which is strange because I've never come across any social security numbers, and I've read through it pretty thoroughly.   Huh
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2007, 03:43:55 PM »

The SS numbers are shown on the repros of the AFM sheets, not in the text.
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2007, 05:39:28 PM »

Yeah that I know.  The space on the contracts where you're supposed to write them has been whited out in my copy.
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2007, 06:29:11 PM »

So those of us that have bought the first copies now own collector's editions?
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2007, 11:20:55 PM »

Yeah that I know.  The space on the contracts where you're supposed to write them has been whited out in my copy.

Congratulations, sir - you are the very first person I've come across with one of the 'amended' copies ! I would suspect that yours is far, far rarer than any copy with the SS numbers included.
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2007, 01:53:54 AM »

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2007, 03:16:47 AM »

The book does have it's problems but it really helps with certain dates, and getting the feel of a year. I think his best stuff is on the Holland era.
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2007, 09:57:40 AM »

I know I made an error (it was a typo I think) on the SMile primer on a date for a Worms session, and that error made it through to Badman's book - I've since corrected the primer.
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2007, 04:40:13 PM »

Yeah that I know.  The space on the contracts where you're supposed to write them has been whited out in my copy.

Congratulations, sir - you are the very first person I've come across with one of the 'amended' copies ! I would suspect that yours is far, far rarer than any copy with the SS numbers included.
The copies with the whited-out SS numbers and marked "first edition" are the only ones I've seen in the stores for about the last two years.
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2007, 10:20:24 PM »

Keith (or his researchers)

Good Christ . . . who is stupid enough to use outside "researchers" for pop music history?? !!

That's the domain of college PhDs in the academic ranks (regardless of subject) . . . and even then the stuff gets vetted. Not that mistakes don't happen . . . they do . . . but it's a more robust process. In the Badman case, I strongly suspect there was no editorial oversight, from a publishing standpoint.

I say, if you don't have time to do it all yourself . . . in lieu of a heavy-weight publisher with resources . . . then don't sign on to the project. You're only setting yourself up for a fall. Self-publishing and niche publishing can be good options . . . but only if you have the raw data (personally at hand) to back up your statements, theories, and opinions.

I mean, certainly you'd want to use previous research if it's valid, and cite secondary sources (that's how it works) . . . but you have to double check your material. And if you don't have any true primary sources to check your facts against . . . then you can get into serious trouble.

I'm not of the mindset that . . . just because something may be "out there" (i.e., available) . . . it's any good. Any book that's rife with factual errors is garbage . . . no matter how big a fan or collector you are.

Name-checking insiders and other researchers is never enough.

My copy of the Badman book includes the Social Security numbers.

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