Any outtakes from "KTSA" ever released?

[coco1997]

Hey everyone, I was recently looking through a BB recording history and a few unfamiliar titles popped up as I was looking through the recording sessions for "Keepin' the Summer Alive." They include "I'll Always Love You," "Surfer Suzie," "Why Didn't I Tell You," "Smokey Places" and "Boys & Girls." Has anyone ever heard these songs? If so, are they available via bootleg or otherwise? I'm not asking for the songs per se, but it would be nice to know whether or not they're actually "out there" somewhere.  Thanks!

P.S. Is is true the BB re-recorded "Been Way Too Long" late in the "KTSA" sessions?

[Andrew G. Doe]

"Why Didn't I Tell You" became "Goin' On" - thankfully minus the bizarre drum solo. "Surfin' Suzie" is an Ed Carter song, not at all bad. Anoher outtake is "Goin' To The Beach", again, not that bad.

As for "CWTL", some work was done on overdubbing the original tapes, rather than a complete re-recording.

[Jason]

Da Doo Ron Ron and Little Girl are also from these sessions and both are booted. The latter was produced by BW and has a Carl scratch vocal. The former is a group vocal with Carl on lead, and it really sucks.

[MBE]

Why Didn't I Tell You and an early Oh Darlin with Brian on lead is around

[Jason]

There are several Brian/Mike and solo Brian recordings from around the KTSA period as well. Brian and Mike did a long session in mid-80 that resulted in about seven songs IIRC. Three have been booted but all exist. The booted three are River Deep Mountain High with unfinished vocals, Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love with Brian and Mike on lead and backing vox, and Be My Baby with Mike on lead - this latter was the basis for the version on Looking Back With Love. Brian also did versions of My Solution and Shortenin' Bread with no vocals around the same time.

[Andrew G. Doe]

The Wilson/Love sessions were a week in June 1980, at Mike's house in Santa Barbara:

Be My Baby*
River Deep Mountain High*
Greenback Dollar
Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love ?*
Bucks (ML song)
Children Of The Night (ML song)
I'm A Man* (BW, not the Spencer Davis song)

[* vocals recorded]

[Andrew G. Doe]

There are several Brian/Mike and solo Brian recordings from around the KTSA period as well.

Errr... KTSA had been released for three months by the time of these recordings. 

[the captain]

Greenback Dollar

I love that song! Has anyone heard this recording, and did they do a decent job of it?

[MBE]

Never heard that one. River Deep is rough but had potential.

[coco1997]

Anyone know if "I'm a Man," "I'll Always Love You," "Surfin' Suzie," or "Little Girl" have ever been released on bootleg or otherwise?

[Andrew G. Doe]

"Little Girl" has been booted: Desper played me "Suzie" more years ago than I care to admit - it's retro, but in no way objectionable, and would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it.

[The Shift]

"Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it.

Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given?

I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album.

How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years?

[Loaf]

"Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it.

Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given?

Perhaps divided up among some "contributors" in the way that Love/Melcher "co-wrote" Kokomo "with" John Phillips & Scott MacKenzie, or the way Mike gets 50% of the lyric royalties for Good Vibrations.

Mike: "Surfer Suzie...she's a real doozy" - where's my 50%, Eddie?

[Andrew G. Doe]

"Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it.

Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given?

I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album.

How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years?

Well, in the case of a recent release by a member of The Beach Boys, some of the credits are, shall we say, less than entirely accurate, which might have something to do with a name being notably absent from the "thanks" section of the liners. Allegedly. 

[Malc]

How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years?

Another prime example being :
http://www.pipeline-operaglass.moonfruit.com/#/its-about-time/4517958509

 

[adamghost]

"I Will Always Love You" I don't think has ever been booted but it's been played in public before -- at the Carl Wilson Foundation show for one (I think as part of the Carl doc) and not putting it out to me was really dumb if they were looking for a hit...it would have been a perfect A/C radio hit in 1980.  It may have been too "mature" for the record, or they may not have wanted to go with outside writers, but it's more commercial in the pure radio sense than anything on KTSA.

[hypehat]

"Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it.

Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given?

I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album.

How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years?

Well, in the case of a recent release by a member of The Beach Boys, some of the credits are, shall we say, less than entirely accurate, which might have something to do with a name being notably absent from the "thanks" section of the liners. Allegedly. 

Oh you tease, with your rolly eyes and all 

[The Shift]

"Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it.

Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given?

I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album.

How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years?

Well, in the case of a recent release by a member of The Beach Boys, some of the credits are, shall we say, less than entirely accurate, which might have something to do with a name being notably absent from the "thanks" section of the liners. Allegedly. 

That might be open to misinterpretation, given that so many members/former members of the band are releasing stuff at the moment.     

I guess we know which member you're talking about -  can we assume this is another example of mismanagement?

[Loaf]

I presume we're not talking Hallmark releases here?

So who's the name left out of the credits?

[Naive Teen Idol]

What about the video?  I'm not sure where I saw it, but I read that the guys had the KTSA sessions videotaped b/c they had a feeling this was the last time they'd have Brian in the studio running the show.  I've seen the Goin' Platinum stuff with the "Goin' to the Beach' rehearsal (which is awesome, btw) -- but that's all.  Is there more?

[phirnis]

"Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it.

Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given?

I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album.

How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years?

Well, in the case of a recent release by a member of The Beach Boys, some of the credits are, shall we say, less than entirely accurate, which might have something to do with a name being notably absent from the "thanks" section of the liners. Allegedly. 

So the TLOS lyrics are all Mike Love's?

[Emdeeh]

"I Will Always Love You" I don't think has ever been booted but it's been played in public before -- at the Carl Wilson Foundation show for one (I think as part of the Carl doc)

Yes, it was part of the Carl doc shown at the CWF show. I'm with Adam -- I'd love to see an official release of this particular Carl song!

[coco1997]

"I Will Always Love You" I don't think has ever been booted but it's been played in public before -- at the Carl Wilson Foundation show for one (I think as part of the Carl doc)

Yes, it was part of the Carl doc shown at the CWF show. I'm with Adam -- I'd love to see an official release of this particular Carl song!

Can this song be heard anywhere?

[Emdeeh]

Only if the Carl Wilson Foundation has another concert and plays the video again there.

[LeeDempsey]

"Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it.

Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given?

I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album.

How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years?

Well, in the case of a recent release by a member of The Beach Boys, some of the credits are, shall we say, less than entirely accurate, which might have something to do with a name being notably absent from the "thanks" section of the liners. Allegedly. 

A very wise observation indeed Andrew!

Lee