American Spring

[Bedroom Tapes]

IMO, I really enjoy the American Spring material.  I especially enjoy wherever Brian's vocals are sprinkled throughout the songs, the semi-Brian Wilson production, and Marilyn and Diane's voices.

[Andrew G. Doe]

OK. does anyone have info on Jackie DeShannon's involvement in the '70's?

Brian & Marilyn sang bvs on a song of hers, "Boat To Sail". That's it.

[The Heartical Don]

whats the story with the vocal at the end of sweet mountain? presume its sandler.
The one that goes "well it rained on the mountain, the mountain of love"

sounds like a voice that should have been in brian's mount vernon and fairway.

I am convinced that that is Brian. It's that slightly goofy 'dee mowntun of love' phrasing that makes me think so. No one else would have done it that way.

[MBE]

It's Brian notice it's less raspy but it's his deep voice. He also sings in his high voice in the song so you here how good his range was in 1971.

[Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll]

I'm pretty sure thats Brian just doing a low voice - oddly not dissimilar to how he would sound a few years later.
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[scallions]

I talked to Marilyn last year about this.  She wants to re-issue it but has NO idea when.

[The Song Of The Grange]

I must put in a vote for the American Spring version of This Whole World.  I like it better than the BB's version.   Sweet Mountain is a real modern sounding track.  When I was playing it at home my wife thought it was Stereolab!

[lance]

When I first heard it I swore I had heard it sometime in the mid-to-late nineties...I didnt think stereolab buit something,...has it been covered by somebody?

[grillo]

I've actually used Sweet Mountain as a starting off point for some of my hipster friends who also noticed the stereolabishness of the track. Can't believe the BB never did this one!

[punkinhead]

Yeah, their version of This Whole World is great, especially with the Star Light, Star Bright coda, it's a Smile meets Love You sorta thing....I swear this and Sweet Mountain needs to go on a BW fan-comp called 2nd Stroke of Genius.

[Domino]

Mama Said
Superstar
Awake
Sweet Mountain
Everybody
Now That Everything's Been Said
Down Home
Shyin' Away
It's like Heaven

Who wrote these songs? Did Brian write some of them?

[Jim V.]

Mama Said
Superstar
Awake
Sweet Mountain
Everybody
Now That Everything's Been Said
Down Home
Shyin' Away
It's like Heaven

Who wrote these songs? Did Brian write some of them?

He wrote "Sweet Mountain" with David Sandler and he wrote "It's Like Heaven" with Diane Rovell, I think? The rest are covers, besides "Shyin' Away", which I'm pretty sure is just a David Sandler composition.

There is also a recording of Brian singing "Awake" with piano accompanying him. I think it should be released on some kind of official release someday, thats how good it is in my opinion.

And lastly, there is a recording of a song from around the Spring sessions called "Silly Walls" by Brian and David Sandler. I'm not sure who wrote that one, maybe Sandler, maybe a wilson Wilson/Sandler, who knows....? (AGD probably)

[Andrew G. Doe]

Mama Said
Superstar
Awake
Sweet Mountain
Everybody
Now That Everything's Been Said
Down Home
Shyin' Away
It's like Heaven

Who wrote these songs? Did Brian write some of them?

Took me 47 seconds of Googling to come up with this:

"Spring" track listing:
(side 1)

1.) Tennessee Waltz   (Redd Stewart) - 1:59

2.) Thinkin' bout You Baby   (Brian Wilson - Mike Love) - 3:24

3.) Mama Said   (Luther Dixon - Willie Denson) - 2:32

4.) Superstar   (Leon Russell - Bonnie Bramlett) - 3:30

5.) Awake   (Floyd Tucker) - 3:20

6.) Sweet Mountain   (Brian Wilson - David Sandler) - 4:17

(side 2)
1.) Everybody   (Tommy Roe) - 2:20

2.) This Whole World   (Brian Wilson) - 3:18

3.) Forever   (Dennis Wilson - Alan Jardine) - 3:19

4.) Good Time   (Brian Wilson - Alan Jardine) - 2:38

5.) Now That Everything's Been Said   (Carole King - Toni Stern) - 2:19

6.) Down Home   (Carole King - Gerry Goffin) - 2:44


Shyin' Away (Brian Wilson - David Sandler - Diane Rovell)

It's like Heaven (Brian Wilson - Diane Rovell)

[jammer730]

So Al co-wrote Forever, huh?

[Jim V.]

Shyin' Away (Brian Wilson - David Sandler - Diane Rovell)

I'm pretty sure the credits were changed on this.  At least in my 1988 self-titled Spring CD from Rhino the credits say that Marilyn, Diane, and David Sandler wrote it. And the "M. Wilson" credit doesn't seem to be a typo, as it says it on the CD and in the booklet.

[bgas]

Shyin' Away (Brian Wilson - David Sandler - Diane Rovell)

I'm pretty sure the credits were changed on this.  At least in my 1988 self-titled Spring CD from Rhino the credits say that Marilyn, Diane, and David Sandler wrote it. And the "M. Wilson" credit doesn't seem to be a typo, as it says it on the CD and in the booklet.

From BMI.com: 

  SHYIN AWAY (Legal Title) 
 BMI Work #1336311
Songwriter/Composer Current Affiliation CAE/IPI #
ROVELL DIANE JOY BMI 26876948
SANDLER DAVID STUART NA 63447673
WILSON MARILYN BMI 69338937
 
Publishers
BRI-MUR PUBLISHING COMPANY BMI 53071703

[LeeDempsey]

OK. does anyone have info on Jackie DeShannon's involvement in the '70's?

Brian & Marilyn sang bvs on a song of hers, "Boat To Sail". That's it.

Marilyn cut a demo of a (to my knowledge) still-unreleased Jackie DeShannon / Carole Bayer Sager tune, "It's Good to Know You Know," produced by DeShannon.  An acetate exists.

Lee

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

So Al co-wrote Forever, huh?

Wait...what?!

[Christian]

Marilyn cut a demo of a (to my knowledge) still-unreleased Jackie DeShannon / Carole Bayer Sager tune, "It's Good to Know You Know," produced by DeShannon.  An acetate exists.

I have that Artisan Sound Recorders acetate in my collection. Do you have more info about the recording? The label states In House Production? Do you have a (approximate) recording date?

[Andrew G. Doe]

So Al co-wrote Forever, huh?

Good spot. The site I took that from isn't by someone whose first language is English, I'm thinking.

"Shyin' Away" - the label credit says B. Wilson but of course that could be a typo at source !

[Bill Barnyard]

When I first heard it I swore I had heard it sometime in the mid-to-late nineties...I didnt think stereolab buit something,...has it been covered by somebody?

I don't know of a cover version that far back but certainly Eddi Reader (ex Fairground Attraction) recorded it, under the title 'Sweet Mountain of Love', on her 2009 solo LP 'Love Is The Way'.

 

[bgas]

So Al co-wrote Forever, huh?

Good spot. The site I took that from isn't by someone whose first language is English, I'm thinking.

"Shyin' Away" - the label credit says B. Wilson but of course that could be a typo at source !

Again from BMI: 

 FOREVER
 BMI Work #435614 
Songwriter/Composer Current Affiliation CAE/IPI #
JAKOBSON GREGG BMI 63147394
WILSON DENNIS ASCAP 46471283

[bgas]

Marilyn cut a demo of a (to my knowledge) still-unreleased Jackie DeShannon / Carole Bayer Sager tune, "It's Good to Know You Know," produced by DeShannon.  An acetate exists.

I have that Artisan Sound Recorders acetate in my collection. Do you have more info about the recording? The label states In House Production? Do you have a (approximate) recording date?

Any chance you can post it  to give us a listen?

[LeeDempsey]

Marilyn cut a demo of a (to my knowledge) still-unreleased Jackie DeShannon / Carole Bayer Sager tune, "It's Good to Know You Know," produced by DeShannon.  An acetate exists.

I have that Artisan Sound Recorders acetate in my collection. Do you have more info about the recording? The label states In House Production? Do you have a (approximate) recording date?

Interesting; then there must be multiple acetates of that one... 

Artisan Sound was a well-know L.A. mastering house (as opposed to a recording studio).  A mastering house would typically receive the mixed-down 2-track stereo or one-track mono master, and then add EQ, compression, limiting, etc. to make the master sound best within the confines of a record groove.  All of the acetates I have from Artisan Sound are the final albums and singles, ready for release.  So I would speculate that this was being prepared for release by someone -- but "who" is the question.

Artisan Sound appears to have been the preferred mastering house for Brother Records from 1970 to around 1974, but that's just based on what I have in my collection.  I think there may have been a tie-in between Warner Brothers Records and Artisan Sound, but that is again just speculation.

Lee

[Andrew G. Doe]

Marilyn cut a demo of a (to my knowledge) still-unreleased Jackie DeShannon / Carole Bayer Sager tune, "It's Good to Know You Know," produced by DeShannon.  An acetate exists.

I have that Artisan Sound Recorders acetate in my collection. Do you have more info about the recording? The label states In House Production? Do you have a (approximate) recording date?

Interesting; then there must be multiple acetates of that one... 

Artisan Sound was a well-know L.A. mastering house (as opposed to a recording studio).  A mastering house would typically receive the mixed-down 2-track stereo or one-track mono master, and then add EQ, compression, limiting, etc. to make the master sound best within the confines of a record groove.  All of the acetates I have from Artisan Sound are the final albums and singles, ready for release.  So I would speculate that this was being prepared for release by someone -- but "who" is the question.

Artisan Sound appears to have been the preferred mastering house for Brother Records from 1970 to around 1974, but that's just based on what I have in my collection.  I think there may have been a tie-in between Warner Brothers Records and Artisan Sound, but that is again just speculation.

Lee

SWD told me back in the 80s that it was at Artisan Sound that the Landlocked boot originated, as the songs and sequence exactly match the tape he took there. he wasn't best pleased, I can tell you.