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« on: November 04, 2008, 02:09:42 PM »

Any fellow Yanks here vote today?
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2008, 04:28:50 PM »

Is there an election today? I hadn't heard.
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2008, 08:08:47 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2008, 08:42:19 PM »

i wrote in Brian Wilson for Indiana govenor and Palpitine for president.    LOL
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2008, 09:24:10 PM »

I'm happy.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2008, 10:36:07 PM »

Hell yeah!!!
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2008, 10:54:21 PM »

i wrote in Brian Wilson for Indiana govenor and Palpitine for president.    LOL

I voted for Luke Skywalker!
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2008, 11:01:04 PM »

Bungalow Bill's gonna have a field day on Susan's board . John McCain's loss is a disgrace for every hard-working American . If you don't understand that, you are not American .
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2008, 11:11:50 PM »

Bungalow Bill's gonna have a field day on Susan's board . John McCain's loss is a disgrace for every hard-working American . If you don't understand that, you are not American .

Guess I'm not "American", then.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2008, 11:18:16 PM »

I'm gonna watch the flux thread on Susan's board with a big grin on my face. Bungalow Bill's really gonna be lost.

Dude actually made a poll years ago asking who was the greatest president. On said list he had the givens like Washington and Lincoln and Roosevelt but he also had W on there. He also voted for W and wrote a lengthy thesis explaining why.
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2008, 11:36:12 PM »

The oddest thing I saw today was four girls in "VOTE GREEN PARTY OR DIE" t-shirts shouting, "Go Obama!"
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2008, 04:47:28 AM »

The oddest thing I saw today was four girls in "VOTE GREEN PARTY OR DIE" t-shirts shouting, "Go Obama!"


Hipster irony?
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2008, 04:59:36 AM »

we are f***ed.....
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2008, 06:44:03 AM »

we are f***ed.....

No we're not, and quite frankly making that kind of statement just shows that you're not open to see what kind of president he can be.  Instead you have already made up your mind 6 hours after the election.
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2008, 10:10:03 AM »

No, we were f*cked, for eight years, and nobody had the courtesy to ask if we wanted a reach-around either.. Now I expect things will be better than the were in the past 8 years. It has nothing to do with Republican or Democrat. Color doesn't count either...black, white, brown, yellow, red, green, clear...it means fuckall. It's the idea of the old guard losing power...McCain's generation is leaving office.  Obama is almost 2 decades older than I am, but it gets me excited to see that my generation is getting closer to power. A generation who doesn't give a flying frogass about race, a generation that realizes the old ways of doing things have done nothing but bring hardship to people... a generation who feels that just being "Democrat" or "Republican" (and only voting for people that belong to one of those parties  just because they belong to that party and not based on individual merit) is  ludicrously stupid.

I do have one thing to say though. I hope I don't piss anybody off, but...I'm tired of the media focusing on Obama being the "first black president", when in actuality he is the first president of mixed race, which to me is a bigger story, in that I personally feel that in my daughter's lifetime, people like Obama (and my wife and myself and our family) will be the norm. Now that's progress. I remember as a young boy feeling like I didn't have a race to call my own (as silly and unimportant as that sounds now at 30)...my dad was Mexican and French, and mom was Dutch & black. I hated how I used to always get asked by other kids in school why I "dyed my hair", because they didn't see how someone with the last name of Castillo could have reddish brown hair. Whatthefuckever.

But yeah, thinking about this made me realize just how much things have changed in my own lifetime. That was something about Obama's speech last night that really choked me up, when he was talking about what that 106 year old woman has seen over her lifetime, and the changes that his own daughters will see over theirs.  As I type this, I'm looking over at Jaymie riding her Fisher Price car all over my living room, and imagining how things will be when she's old. That's a headfucker.

Another victory for me yesterday...
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The marijuana reform movement won two prized victories, with Massachusetts voters decriminalizing possession of small amounts of the drug and Michigan joining 12 other states in allowing use of pot for medical purposes.

Henceforth, people caught in Massachusetts with an ounce or less of pot will no longer face criminal penalties. Instead, they'll forfeit the marijuana and pay a $100 civil fine.

The Michigan measure will allow severely ill patients to register with the state and legally buy, grow and use small amounts of marijuana to relieve pain, nausea, appetite loss and other symptoms.

I mean, why the hell not? Prohibition didn't work for alcohol, and we need to be spending money on more important things than throwing people in jail for smoking weed in the privacy in their own home. Of course, I feel differently  about blazing in public, which if you are going to drive is stupid and irresponsible, just like drunk driving.

Now, if only the government would stay the hell out of the bedroom. Yeah, as a straight male the gay marriage ban in California means nothing to me  on a personal level, but on a human level it pisses me the f*** off. I know a gay couple that honestly is a more legit couple than several marriages in my own damn family, but that's a story for another day.

To make a long story short, last night was the first time I had this kind of national pride since the time immediately following 9/11.
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2008, 10:25:36 AM »

good comment, Billy. I totally agree.
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2008, 10:33:23 AM »

we are f***ed.....

No we're not, and quite frankly making that kind of statement just shows that you're not open to see what kind of president he can be.  Instead you have already made up your mind 6 hours after the election.

no i haven't....just how i feel...title didn't say presidential election only...what was elected to the senate dooms us....spread the wealth my ass..entitlements are what is wrong with the u.s. now, just gonna get worse.....imho
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2008, 10:54:21 AM »

Well, something has to change. As it is right now, the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. If it were up to me, nobody would be poor, but I know that is never going to happen.  As it is, we need to take care of our poor and our middle class too.

Have you ever been homeless? Or on the verge of being so? Do you know what it is like to have to not know where your next meal is going to come from, or how in the hell you are going to keep your electricity on? I've been there. It's not fun. Thank GOD I managed to work my way out of it...I'm still struggling, but at least can keep the bills paid and ensure that my daughter is happy, healthy, and taken care of. That, frankly, is enough for me. What is funny to me is that now that I have a job that is within walking distance, NOW gas wants to go down in price. F*cking figures. LOL

 Entitlements, as you put it, aren't what's wrong with the US...it's that for years only the top class of people have mattered, no matter which party was in office. Nobody gives a merda about anybody but themselves. It's selfishness that is what is wrong with this country.

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2008, 02:45:56 PM »

I almost typed about 50 replies and can't even finish one. I'm afraid I'll just get too involved and somebody will be offended and (as is my tradition) I'll be called an asshole and threatened with banishment. So instead I'll just say, for those of you who are so worried that Obama is a secret muslim-terrorist-socialist-communist-blackpanther-whateverthehellyouthinkheis, don't worry. It won't matter. Nothing changes. And for those who are so psyched and think the world will get so demonstrably better, worry. It won't matter. Nothing changes.
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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2008, 04:14:46 PM »

See, that's where I think you're wrong. Things do change. Whether you like him or not, just the fact alone that he was elected shows progress since my father was my age (1962).

I was born in 1978. For those of you were were around in that time period, what was it like then? Has the world dramatically changed since then? Could any of you conceive on, I dunno, the internet? Hell, SMiLE was released since then (and that fact that it was released and Chinese Democracy still hasn't makes me LOL  ) How many medical advances have come out since then?
Or sh*t just think about the year any of you were born. What has changed since then?

Come to think of it, this can be an interesting discussion in and of itself...
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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2008, 04:25:10 PM »

I wrote in Stan Love for Oregon Secretary of State! I mean, he's gotta be better than either of those corporate controlled parties we supposedly get to 'choose' from, right? I Hope we can all break through the fake left/right paradigm and see the reality; our governments have been co-opted long ago by corporate bankers, a fact that even Roosevelt was nice enough to point out. We are no less f***ed than before. Please keep your eyes open and ignore the propaganda machine (corporate controlled media). Best of luck to all of us!
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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2008, 06:46:28 PM »

Of course there are technological changes. And societal changes. But the basic struggle between two barely different parties makes all of those societal changes take FOREVER. There is no perfect action and not much fast action. Getting excited for some savior president is a sure way to be let down. I like Obama more than McCain. I like the Democratic party more than the Republican. But it's not like either (or any other) is worth getting your hopes up for. What are we talking about, universal healthcare? Seems to me that was the #1 priority of Clinton in 1992. It went so well that the Republicans had a great midterm in 1994 and caused a half-decade of stalemates and partisan bickering, resulting in ludicrous impeachment hearings over a blowjob. I suspect things won't go as well as hoped, as fast as hoped, and the Republicans will gain a lot of seats in 2010. They'll further slow any Obama plans. And by then, ambitious congresspeople (and Obama) won't want to tackle any tough issues because they'll start gearing up for 2012.
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2008, 05:23:15 PM »

Bungalow Bill's gonna have a field day on Susan's board . John McCain's loss is a disgrace for every hard-working American . If you don't understand that, you are not American .

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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2008, 07:56:33 AM »

Of course there are technological changes. And societal changes. But the basic struggle between two barely different parties makes all of those societal changes take FOREVER. There is no perfect action and not much fast action. Getting excited for some savior president is a sure way to be let down. I like Obama more than McCain. I like the Democratic party more than the Republican. But it's not like either (or any other) is worth getting your hopes up for. What are we talking about, universal healthcare? Seems to me that was the #1 priority of Clinton in 1992. It went so well that the Republicans had a great midterm in 1994 and caused a half-decade of stalemates and partisan bickering, resulting in ludicrous impeachment hearings over a blowjob. I suspect things won't go as well as hoped, as fast as hoped, and the Republicans will gain a lot of seats in 2010. They'll further slow any Obama plans. And by then, ambitious congresspeople (and Obama) won't want to tackle any tough issues because they'll start gearing up for 2012.
There will always be problems--no system will ever change that. And Americans will continue to be hysterical about that--it's culturally ingrained. But I have to disagree with you to some extent. I have only to look at the past eight years for evidence. I really don't think we would be bogged down in the mire in Iraq if Al Gore had taken office; and I think that even if the system itself doesn't change changing the people could make some major differences.

Here's what I expect/hope to change:

1. Different more diplomatic face that America shows to the world--the last eight years I have watched America's "soft power" and image literally erode before my eyes in the wake of disasters like the Iraq War, Rumsfeld/Cheney insulting "Old" Europe, Abu Ghraib, the unbelievably arrogant foda-you gesture that was the appointment of John Bolton as US ambassador to the UN, torture-as-policy, NO WMA and some pretty strong evidence that there never had been any evidence for them, trade treaties broken, the apparently almost deliberate destruction of the old Clintonian "Road Map to Peace" in the Middle East...and on and on and on.

2. Qualified political appointees who uphold the Constitution and the law rather than Oral Roberts Univesity hacks trying to stab the other political party in the back; less nepotism; less obstruction of justice and more transparancy in the upper echelons.

3. Greater cooperation from other NATO powers in Afghanistan, connected with first note.

What I hope for but ain't holding my breath:

a better health care system that doesn't cause misery among the poor and doesn't drive businesses and corporations into the ground with the expense(see auto industry, woes of)

A renewed optimism in the American people as a whole as a result of Obama's obvious star-power; less focus on constant fear of terrorists and so on.

More affordable tertiary education--the beginnings of a policy that will bring American high schools in line with the rest of the developed world.

Thatll do for starters.
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2008, 07:49:17 AM »

We'll start to find out in a month. I'm hopeful, too ... just less optimistic.
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