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« Reply #75 on: November 06, 2008, 11:52:22 AM »

Even if this wasn't happening, there's still been a "Beach Boys" schlepping Be True To Your School around the world for the last so many decades; it ain't gonna make Mike and Bruce stop. In that case, I'd rather have a Beach Boys consisting of Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Alan Jardine, David Marks and Bruce Johnston.

THAT is what I suspect I've felt for a while without realising it. Very good post.

I think most folk agree that the Beach Boys ended when Carl died but time has past and it's no longer unusual for a band as long in the tooth as the Beach Boys to have had one or more members pass away. Look at The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd...  no-one complained/complains when these guys reform despite their toll. Get Brian back in The Beach Boys and their reunion would be valid too.

I'd still love for Ricky and Blondie to be there as well but that's a personal preference. I liked the rock-style of the early 70s BBs and would hate for Brian to head-up a "California Fun Fun Fun Around" that does litle more that Mike and Bruce have been doing, and indeed Brian himself occasionally gets away with.
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« Reply #76 on: November 06, 2008, 03:13:48 PM »

Look at The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd...  no-one complained/complains when these guys reform despite their toll.
Was that meant as ironic, or are you just not aware that a lot of people complain?
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« Reply #77 on: November 06, 2008, 03:22:07 PM »

No, I wasn't aware. But who complains, the die-hard fans like those of us who post here? I don't remember reports of protests outside the O2 arena this year, or at Live8 in 05.

I'll be at the RFH when The Beach Boys perform SMILE in its entirety in June 2009!   Grin
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« Reply #78 on: November 06, 2008, 08:37:34 PM »

Look at The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd...  no-one complained/complains when these guys reform despite their toll.
Was that meant as ironic, or are you just not aware that a lot of people complain?

Hmmm...when Pink Floyd reunited at Live 8, all the members were still alive & there...at least all the members who recorded the songs they peformed that day.  So I can't imagine what the complaint would've been about.  It was as authentic a reunion as anyone could've hoped for.  As for Led Zep, sure Bonzo's gone, but his son was there...the only people I'm aware of complaining about that reunion were the ones who couldn't get tickets (and maybe Dave Grohl, who had hoped to drum for them!).
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« Reply #79 on: November 07, 2008, 03:46:10 AM »

Look at The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd...  no-one complained/complains when these guys reform despite their toll.
Was that meant as ironic, or are you just not aware that a lot of people complain?

Hmmm...when Pink Floyd reunited at Live 8, all the members were still alive & there...at least all the members who recorded the songs they peformed that day.  So I can't imagine what the complaint would've been about.  It was as authentic a reunion as anyone could've hoped for.  As for Led Zep, sure Bonzo's gone, but his son was there...the only people I'm aware of complaining about that reunion were the ones who couldn't get tickets (and maybe Dave Grohl, who had hoped to drum for them!).

Aye, I guess no-one complained about Syd's absence!

Would a BB's reunion bolstered by sons of Dennis, CArl and Al work?
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« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2008, 05:01:56 AM »

Look at The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd...  no-one complained/complains when these guys reform despite their toll.
Was that meant as ironic, or are you just not aware that a lot of people complain?

Hmmm...when Pink Floyd reunited at Live 8, all the members were still alive & there...at least all the members who recorded the songs they peformed that day.  So I can't imagine what the complaint would've been about.  It was as authentic a reunion as anyone could've hoped for.  As for Led Zep, sure Bonzo's gone, but his son was there...the only people I'm aware of complaining about that reunion were the ones who couldn't get tickets (and maybe Dave Grohl, who had hoped to drum for them!).

Aye, I guess no-one complained about Syd's absence!

Would a BB's reunion bolstered by sons of Dennis, CArl and Al work?


Well, Matt was a great (!) addition when he toured with the Beach Boys. Carl B. (I believe, maybe Justyn)) said that he would like to be part of a BBs-reunion
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« Reply #81 on: November 07, 2008, 10:03:03 AM »

thats a great idea Carl's son Justin filling in with Mike, Brain, Al, and Bruce does Dennis have any sons I don't recall.
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« Reply #82 on: November 07, 2008, 11:07:57 AM »

thats a great idea Carl's son Justin filling in with Mike, Brain, Al, and Bruce does Dennis have any sons I don't recall.

Yep. Dennis' son Carl B. play drums in "In bloom" with Justy on guitar
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« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2008, 12:57:59 PM »

thats a great idea Carl's son Justin filling in with Mike, Brain, Al, and Bruce does Dennis have any sons I don't recall.

Yep. Dennis' son Carl B. play drums in "In bloom" with Justy on guitar

But, you already have an real Beach Boy in David Marks, who happens to be a great guitarist. And, there's a couple of good ex-touring Beach Boys' drummers who could fill that slot, including the current drummers in Mike & Bruce's band, as well as Brian's.
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« Reply #84 on: November 07, 2008, 01:10:44 PM »

Or Ricky?
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« Reply #85 on: November 07, 2008, 05:17:45 PM »

I'm from the K.I.S.S school of thought.

For a band almost 50 years old, to have the possibility of 5 members from its first 5 years still in the biz is quite incredible.

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« Reply #86 on: November 07, 2008, 07:52:45 PM »

For a band almost 50 years old, to have the possibility of 5 members from its first 5 years still in the biz is quite incredible.

Yes, it is incredible. And I find a potential group consisting of Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, David Marks, and Bruce Johnston quite intriguing. They all have different musical styles, don't they? With no slight to Carl and Dennis, if you told me in the 60's, 70's, 80's, or 90's that I was going to a Beach Boys' concert that featured this group, I would be very pleased.
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« Reply #87 on: November 08, 2008, 07:16:23 PM »

The way I see it is it is the last monkey on Brians back.



Get healthy and have a reasonable mental outlook. Check.

Stable home-life. Check.

Make music again. Check.

Get onstage. Check.

SMiLE. Check.

Work with Mike......

If it comes to even a new Love/ Wilson tune that gets nothing more than a few outings at a Mike and Bruce concert. For Brian it could be quite beneficial and deal to some demons.
Problem though when Brian said he can't spend more than 5 minutes in the same room as Mike, however they always wrote fast together so that might be enough.

Those five guys would be a interesting mix. I think I am right in saying they have never done anything together. All and any combination could be new project. I think most would expect those five guys singing, however a Brian tune done by a orchestra or a Bruce tune with say just his vocal, keyboard and few Davis riffs could be simple but just as interesting. How often have we heard various group members say it was 'Al that did that song' or 'Carl recorded that one' and few Beach Boys, if any were involved?


   




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« Reply #88 on: November 09, 2008, 09:58:34 AM »

Get healthy and have a reasonable mental outlook. Check.

Stable home-life. Check.

Make music again. Check.

Get onstage. Check.

SMiLE. Check.

Work with Mike......

+ Make another really good album of brand new song material: check.
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« Reply #89 on: November 09, 2008, 01:33:38 PM »

Works for me.
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« Reply #90 on: November 15, 2008, 12:08:07 PM »

A new article on Al Jardine from uncut magazine. 

http://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/index.php?blog=6&p=1015&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

Fleet Foxes and Al Jardine
2008-11-13 10:53:18

As you may have seen elsewhere on our website, the first winners of the Uncut Music Award have just been revealed as the Fleet Foxes. I spoke to Robin Pecknold last week to get his reaction, and found out a couple more things from him. One, he’s as anxious to hear the new Animal Collective album as many more Wild Mercury Sound regulars.

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And two, his personal highlight of the year was meeting Al Jardine. Here’s his story.

“We played a show in Big Sur. I’d never been there and it’s pretty small. There’s not a town, there’s a gas station and then these five million dollar houses, and then a really big national park. It’s pretty cool. The guy putting on the show said, ‘Hey do you wanna go to Al Jardine’s house? Al has a studio and he wants to know if you guys wanna check out the studio?’

“We were like, absolutely, it was a huge honour. So we went there and got to meet him in his studio. He had Brian Wilson’s piano, and knick-knacks that were really interesting to me, like a Beach Boys flight case with the Brother Records logo on it from 1973, and old reels of tape with the Brother studio logo on it. It was kinda crazy stuff. My eyes were definitely wide open. It was a beautiful house.

“He was awesome, he was so sweet.. I don’t know if he’d heard our music before; I think the guy who put on the show told him we might be a band that he’d like or something. We played him a couple of songs off the EP in the studio ‘cos he wanted to test out these new monitors he’d got for his mixing desk. Then he cancelled something so he could come to the show.

“The show was at this crazy place wth a Buddhist spirit garden, very small town Californian weirdness. There were nests you could sleep in overnight – made out of wood. You climbed into them like a hammock, but they were like big gigantic bird’s nests.

“He played us a couple of songs off a record he’d recently made, he had a duet between him and Neil Young recorded last summer that no-one had heard. It was going to be on his next record. He had a lot of good advice. Carl and Dennis are passed, and if I were to meet Brian I don’t know how substantive the discussion would be, but Al told us how they did this thing, that we should hold on to our publishing. That was a definite glowing moment.”
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« Reply #91 on: November 15, 2008, 09:56:39 PM »

Every living member of the pre-1971 of the Beach Boys is open for a live reunion -- except for Brian. Mike told me that he wanted a two show reunion to be taped at the Hollywood Bowl and Wembley for PBS and released on DVD -- with special guests (e.g. McCartney and Clapton) -- to be done for the band's 50th. Bruce, when in the room with Mike, was all up for it, but a year or so prior was pulling his same old schtick saying that that he'd be there, but that he'd be in the front row enjoying the show, etc... ("I'm just a fan like you are!!!")

Obviously Bruce would be on board (I doubt he'd sit THOSE gigs out but NOT the back to back one-nighter county fairs), I know David would be there in a heartbeat, as would Al. Carl B. has even told me that he would absolutely love to be in on it. Billy H. too.

I think Mike's virtual addition to POSTCARD is an amazing step. I don't know what it'll lead to. It's certainly an incredible and unexpected olive branch. Not that any of you DIDN'T know this, but be it live or studio -- a reunion LITERALLY all comes down to Mike and Brian's camp ending this cold war -- which would then be followed by them coming to terms on every aspect of everything else. It's as easy and impossible as that.
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« Reply #92 on: November 16, 2008, 01:03:11 AM »

I don't see it as a cold war between Brian's and Mike's camps. I like the idea of the guys guesting on Al's record, but i don't want a Brian-BBs reunion and maybe he feels the same way. No hard animosity, just artistic reasons.
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« Reply #93 on: November 16, 2008, 09:26:35 AM »

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cold%20war

Main Entry: cold war
Function: noun
Date: 1945

1: a conflict over ideological differences carried on by methods short of sustained overt military action and usually without breaking off diplomatic relations ; specifically often capitalized C&W : the ideological conflict between the United States and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics during the second half of the 20th century — compare hot war
2: a condition of rivalry, mistrust, and often open hostility short of violence especially between power groups (as labor and management)
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« Reply #94 on: November 16, 2008, 09:32:36 AM »

No hard animosity, just artistic reasons.

Brian has not recorded one solo album that could not have been - artistically - a Beach Boys' album. Not one.

And, Howie, I like your summation of the Brian/Mike situation - "It's as easy and impossible as that." That pretty much says it all....
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« Reply #95 on: November 16, 2008, 09:41:08 AM »

The way I see it is it is the last monkey on Brians back.



Get healthy and have a reasonable mental outlook. Check.

Stable home-life. Check.

Make music again. Check.

Get onstage. Check.

SMiLE. Check.

Work with Mike......




Get healthy and have a reasonable mental outlook. The latter is up for debate...

Stable home-life. 15/16/17 dogs ?  Plus, always remember that from 1964-78, his home life was stable: it was Brian that was the disruptive element.

Make music again. Check.

Get onstage. Niot by choice, originally.

SMiLE. See above.

Work with Mike......  Y'know, given a free vote, I think he would.
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« Reply #96 on: November 16, 2008, 09:52:18 AM »

Every living member of the pre-1971 of the Beach Boys is open for a live reunion -- except for Brian.

I think, IMO, that the evidence to date shows that it's Brian's management/people/wifeandmanagers who are digging their heels in over a BB reunion, not Brian himself. I further feel that when his solo 'career' finally grinds to a halt, then a BB reunion will happen so fast our heads will spin.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #97 on: November 16, 2008, 09:58:41 AM »

What if by the time "his solo career finally grinds to a halt", one of them's already passed on? It's not inconceivable for men in their late 60s to have a sudden heart-attack or something.
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« Reply #98 on: November 16, 2008, 10:11:08 AM »

Mitch Mitchell, for example, is younger than them and just unexpectedly passed. And let's be serious, after what Brian has put himself through, he could go at any time.
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« Reply #99 on: November 16, 2008, 10:28:30 AM »

To clarify; Brian = Brian's Camp.

And I agree that in a year or so, A Wilson/Love reunion is absolutely possible, because I do believe -- like AGD -- that Brian would do it in a second if given the choice. Also the revenue for a "comeback" -- and all that entails, the press, the live products, a revamping of the catalogue, etc. would be the major windfall that BRI needs. Never forget, once Mike leaves the road -- all that bread that BRI collects from touring revenues re: the licence is gone (or depending on how it goes down if "it" carries on -- GREATLY diminished.)

For the most part in the U.S., Oldies radio at this point STARTS with 1964. The Leslie Gores, the Spectors, the Del Shannons are slowly being erased from the airwaves. Aside from literally 5 songs, the founding fathers of Rock are gone from the radio. As it stands now, the Beatles, Beach Boys, and Motown are still among the bedrocks of the genre -- but never forget that Oldies radio is now ALSO Fleetwood Mac, the Eagles, Journey, Hall & Oates, REO, Pat Benatar, Springsteen, Petty, Mellencamp, the Police -- even Men At Work. Radio is shifting, and it's safe to say that apart from a major new comp every decade, the CD/digital royalties will dry as airplay fades (the '63 BB singles are getting less-and-less airplay.) It's a given at this point that any returns that the band were ever gonna get on "Holland" have already been earned.

I've never broached the topic of Mike with Brian to any great detail other than musically and creatively, and on that level the bond seems to there and real. I have spoken to Mike at length about Brian, and his issues are solely with Brian's camp. I honestly believe that if there was a Wilson/Love reunion it would be a heartfelt and spiritual thing, but the bulls*** in and around BRI is as deep as the ocean -- and can all be traced straight back to Murry.
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