TLOS: any comments from Mike, Al or Bruce yet?

[Dancing Bear]

Hmmm...so maybe there actually more of his biggest fans around thirty years later?

The Beach Boys were has-beens and a golden oldies act in the 70s... Brian has now been 'adopted' by the alternative music scene as an icon... I think that's the difference...

I thought about that.... Pre-Endless Smmer, yeah. But after the Brian's Back campaign, we have a transition to the 90's icon. The difference is that in the 70s and 80s people expected him to go back to his 63-65 commercial heyday, and today the hipsters want another Pet Sounds or Smile.

I never knew that he was gone etc.

[Magic Transistor Radio]

Quality is definately what sells. That is why 'Cotton Fields', 'I Write the Songs', 15 Big Ones and 'Kokamo' all did so well on the charts, while Friends, Sunflower, Love You and Pacific Ocean Blue flopped!

[lance]

Now thou smellest that in which I do  step.

[John]

Quality is definately what sells. That is why 'Cotton Fields', 'I Write the Songs', 15 Big Ones and 'Kokamo' all did so well on the charts, while Friends, Sunflower, Love You and Pacific Ocean Blue flopped!

However, Cottonfields IS awesome.

[carl r]

Hmmm...so maybe there actually more of his biggest fans around thirty years later?

The Beach Boys were has-beens and a golden oldies act in the 70s... Brian has now been 'adopted' by the alternative music scene as an icon... I think that's the difference...

Sorry to go off-topic, but this is also a sad thing about Carl Wilson not being around when he would also have picked up a lot of this affection and respect had he wanted it.

[Pretty Funky]

Mike makes a comment on Brians album...just!

http://www.canada.com/cityguides/victoria/story.html?id=f22081d4-88bb-4c05-8a46-edcecbc92a8e

[Chris Brown]

Mike makes a comment on Brians album...just!

http://www.canada.com/cityguides/victoria/story.html?id=f22081d4-88bb-4c05-8a46-edcecbc92a8e

I don't know if I would call that a "comment"...he simply acknowledged the existance of TLOS.

[Pretty Funky]

Oh ok. How about this then?


MIKE LOVE PROMOTES THAT LUCKY OLD SUN

 

[Chris Brown]

Oh ok. How about this then?


MIKE LOVE PROMOTES THAT LUCKY OLD SUN

 

Much better!

[radiant radish]

i dont think mike would want to admit if it was a good album or not unless he was on it. i think at that age and the amount of years someone has been in the industry,new albums are looked at as part of the job,not in the enjoyable sence that we listen to them.it woulsd be "ok,this guy is doing this" or "this guy is doing that" mike would probably listen to old stuff and in brians case,mike would have brians album down the bottom of his list of albums to listen to.

[joe_blow]

Was The Facts of Life confused with Full House and/or Baywatch?

[Awesoman]

And Bob Dylan is a far more respected songwriter than Brian Wilson is.

I have a theory about that. One of the reasons why Bob Dylan is such a respected songwriter is because everybody and their brother have recorded his songs, right? And I don't think that's because his songs were just better than Brian's... I think it has more to do with the fact that his songs are just a lot easier to cover and to make your own.

I think it has much more to do with the fact that he is a brilliant lyricist, and his music documents each generation. 

[Alex]

And Bob Dylan is a far more respected songwriter than Brian Wilson is.

I have a theory about that. One of the reasons why Bob Dylan is such a respected songwriter is because everybody and their brother have recorded his songs, right? And I don't think that's because his songs were just better than Brian's... I think it has more to do with the fact that his songs are just a lot easier to cover and to make your own.

I think it has much more to do with the fact that he is a brilliant lyricist, and his music documents each generation. 

A lot of Dylan's songs, as great as they are lyrically, musically his songs are pretty simple and folky, quite straightforward, nowhere near as quirky, odd, and complex as some of Brian's stuff.

[lance]

But it rocks. They come from different traditions, different influences(other than Chuck Berry).

[Alex]

But it rocks. They come from different traditions, different influences(other than Chuck Berry).

I never said Dylan didn't rock. Just said his music is simple and straightforward. Dylan's lyrics, on the other hand, are often times poetic masterpieces. The only people who may have Dylan beaten or are on par with him in the lyric department, IMO, are Van Dyke Parks, Jack Reiley, Steven Page of Barenaked Ladies, and Jeff Mangum of Neutral Milk Hotel. I've always thought Dylan should write lyrics for Brian, even if it's only for one song. I'm surprised that Brian and Dylan haven't collaborated on anything beyond an overdubbed vocal on an unreleased song ("Spirit of Rock and Roll").

[the captain]

The Spirit of Rock and Roll is a released song now, finally. (Songs from whatever and then and back or whatever) Just not that version. so it's not an unreleased song.

[the captain]

Also, Barenaked Ladies guy in the same realm as VDP etc cracked me up.

[Chris Brown]

I'd love to hear a true collaberation between Dylan and Brian, as long as Dylan was only responsible for the lyrics and was kept far far away from a microphone.  I'd be curious to see what Brian could make of his lyrics.

[Alex]

Also, Barenaked Ladies guy in the same realm as VDP etc cracked me up.

Its just my personal opinion (which really doesn't have a lot of weight)   ...give a listen to more than just BNL's hits and you'll understand...or most likely not.

[lance]

They are all post-Dylan, I reckon, even BNL.(haven't heard that much of them. My Canadian boss loves 'em.)



I don't find Jack Reilly all that great, though, certainly not on a par with Dylan--though definitely influenced by him. I think you don't get more embarrassing than Feel Flows, though I like Trader.

 Even Dylan himself, sometimes, is not as good as Dylan, though.

[the captain]

give a listen to more than just BNL's hits and you'll understand...or most likely not.

Are you calling me too stupid to understand?    It's ok if so, I can take it. Anyway, I've heard quite a bit of BNL--too much for my taste, and more than just the hits. Friends of mine like them, and I don't. What's worse, after nearly every show of my own music I've ever done, somebody (soundman, someone from the crowd, whatever) ALWAYS says "hey, cool ... kind of a Barenaked Ladies thing." So what was once only dislike is now vicious wound-salting.

[Bicyclerider]

 
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A lot of Dylan's songs, as great as they are lyrically, musically his songs are pretty simple and folky, quite straightforward, nowhere near as quirky, odd, and complex as some of Brian's stuff.
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I think that's why they lend themselves to cover versions - simple musically, provocative lyrically - plus the fact that Dylan's ragged voice makes his own versions less approachable and "commercial" than the same songs sung by more talented singers.

Brian's songs have more complex chord changes, are harder to cover both musically and vocally.

[Alex]

give a listen to more than just BNL's hits and you'll understand...or most likely not.

Are you calling me too stupid to understand?    It's ok if so, I can take it. Anyway, I've heard quite a bit of BNL--too much for my taste, and more than just the hits. Friends of mine like them, and I don't. What's worse, after nearly every show of my own music I've ever done, somebody (soundman, someone from the crowd, whatever) ALWAYS says "hey, cool ... kind of a Barenaked Ladies thing." So what was once only dislike is now vicious wound-salting.

No, I wasn't calling you stupid. Its OK if you don't like a certain band. There are bands that I can't stand that other people swear their life on.

[Wilsonista]

give a listen to more than just BNL's hits and you'll understand...or most likely not.

Are you calling me too stupid to understand?    It's ok if so, I can take it. Anyway, I've heard quite a bit of BNL--too much for my taste, and more than just the hits. Friends of mine like them, and I don't. What's worse, after nearly every show of my own music I've ever done, somebody (soundman, someone from the crowd, whatever) ALWAYS says "hey, cool ... kind of a Barenaked Ladies thing." So what was once only dislike is now vicious wound-salting.

Kind of like Parker and Stone being told that South Park is just as good as Family Guy?

[Awesoman]

But it rocks. They come from different traditions, different influences(other than Chuck Berry).

The only people who may have Dylan beaten or are on par with him in the lyric department, IMO, are Van Dyke Parks, Jack Reiley, Steven Page of Barenaked Ladies, and Jeff Mangum of Neutral Milk Hotel. I've always thought Dylan should write lyrics for Brian, even if it's only for one song. 

Jack Reiley???  Barenaked Ladies?  Seriously, none of these people you mention even hold a candle to Dylan's lyrics.  Have you ever even listened to Dylan other than "Blowin' In The Wind"?