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« on: July 14, 2008, 01:31:59 PM »

http://www.amazon.com/Unplugged-9-11-67-1-Charles-Manson/dp/B000OVP8AW/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1216067414&sr=1-7

i thought these sessions were unavailable/destroyed?
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2008, 01:54:02 PM »

Note the date. About a year before Dennis met CM. The claim to be recorded in Brian's home studio is entirely inaccurate.

On 9/11/67, The Beach Boys were in Wally Heider's studio, trying (and failing) to salvage something from the Hawaii live recordings... so even if Charlie was in Brian's home studio, he was there on his own, with no engineer.  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2008, 03:46:55 PM »

I suppose the reason I ask is because it comes up when you search for Dennis Wilson, although i suppose that is a good way to sell more copies of your Charles Manson cds.

Side note: ahh, the '67 Hawaii sessions, so wonderfully fascinating imo. Sometimes I imagine if they had ever released a film of that whole Hawaii thingit would not be unlike Magical Mystery Tour or something
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2008, 07:46:50 PM »

I spoke with Desper about these sessions once and I thiink he was basically the only one in charge. I don't know where the rumor started that the Wilson's produced them. Anyhow no one has heard them since 1969 at least that we know of.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2008, 10:12:35 PM »

I wouldn't be surprised if some sick f*cker circulated the BBs/Manson sessions.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2008, 10:39:39 PM »

A lot of people keep saying Lie is the session but I am sure it isn't.
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2008, 11:02:17 PM »

I wouldn't be surprised if some sick fodaer circulated the BBs/Manson sessions.
Why would the person doing that be a "sick fodaer"? What's so wrong?
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2008, 11:33:16 PM »

That's what I was wondering.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 02:38:13 AM »

I don't know I would be curious to hear just to see if any Beach Boys did participate. I almost feel dirty saying it but his recordings of the era were pretty good. I must say he is one of the sicker people I have read about, and I think he did cost Dennis a lot of his credibility among the other Beach Boys. I wish he and Dennis had never intercrosed paths really, but because of that I have learned a lot about the underside of the sixties.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 09:08:37 AM »

IMHO, only about half the the songs on Lie are good; the others are kind of boring and monotonous.

"Look At Your Game, Girl" is well done...well enough for GN'R, at least...

"Garbage Dump" is a catchy sing-along...

And of course, "Cease to Exist" is halfway decent...

Those are all the titles of the good ones I remember...

There's one song that Manson's women sing a capella, in unison....I think it's called "I'll Never Say Never To Always" or something....it scares the crap out of me....sounds really, really creepy...

Speaking of Wally Heider, Hawaii, etc...why on earth were the guys so quiet?? My wife describes those recordings -- including the concert -- as if they were warned "Don't wake the baby." Geez...they were whispering "California Girls"....
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 10:29:01 AM »

I wouldn't be surprised if some sick fodaer circulated the BBs/Manson sessions.

Never going to happen - they'd have to find them first, or know exactly where they are and what they're cataloged as. And most of the people who knew that are dead now.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 10:29:38 AM »

A lot of people keep saying Lie is the session but I am sure it isn't.

Nope, it isn't.
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 12:00:19 PM »

IMHO, only about half the the songs on Lie are good; the others are kind of boring and monotonous.

"Look At Your Game, Girl" is well done...well enough for GN'R, at least...

"Garbage Dump" is a catchy sing-along...

And of course, "Cease to Exist" is halfway decent...

Those are all the titles of the good ones I remember...

There's one song that Manson's women sing a capella, in unison....I think it's called "I'll Never Say Never To Always" or something....it scares the crap out of me....sounds really, really creepy...

Speaking of Wally Heider, Hawaii, etc...why on earth were the guys so quiet?? My wife describes those recordings -- including the concert -- as if they were warned "Don't wake the baby." Geez...they were whispering "California Girls"....

I like Home Is Where You're Happy best, and People Say I'm No Good isn't bad either.

The best release of Charlie's music I've heard in on the Family Jams double cd.  I think Manson was already locked up by the time of this recording as he isn't on it himself.  Clem does all the leads and the girls sing backup.  The material as a whole is much stronger than LIE.  You can definitely see where Dennis saw potential.
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2008, 06:10:50 PM »

I have heard about 4 songs and all were pretty good. I am so loathe to buy Lie though.
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2008, 06:59:27 PM »

I spoke with Desper about these sessions once and I thiink he was basically the only one in charge. I don't know where the rumor started that the Wilson's produced them. Anyhow no one has heard them since 1969 at least that we know of.

According to a well-respected (yet extremely secretive) UK music journalist who wrote an unpublished book about Manson, at least 2 Wilson brothers sang on Manson demos cut at the Bellagio house.
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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2008, 07:21:45 PM »

I have about 4 songs and all were pretty good. I am so loathe to buy Lie though.
Why? It's not like Manson gets the money.
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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2008, 09:11:43 PM »

I suppose you are right, but it's not a high priority.
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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2008, 09:17:52 PM »

I spoke with Desper about these sessions once and I thiink he was basically the only one in charge. I don't know where the rumor started that the Wilson's produced them. Anyhow no one has heard them since 1969 at least that we know of.

According to a well-respected (yet extremely secretive) UK music journalist who wrote an unpublished book about Manson, at least 2 Wilson brothers sang on Manson demos cut at the Bellagio house.
Right I heard the story too. No proof on it though. If he ever does a book I will read it, but until then I am unconvinced.
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2008, 05:21:43 AM »

Speaking of books on the subject, let me warn you all about Tommy Udo's Charles Manson: Music Mayhem Murder.

This was probably the most factually inaccurate book ever published and it does list Lie as being recorded at Brian's and produced by Greg Jackobson.  It also lists the birth order of the Wilson boys as Brian, Carl then Dennis and says that Bruce replaced Brian on the road after he had a breakdown following his inability to complete SMiLE.   Roll Eyes

I picked it up at a used bookstore and was immediately interested when I leafed through and saw a bunch of pictures of the Beach Boys, but I almost couldn't finish the book.  No new information and nothing really interesting at all.
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2008, 08:48:35 AM »

I spoke with Desper about these sessions once and I thiink he was basically the only one in charge. I don't know where the rumor started that the Wilson's produced them. Anyhow no one has heard them since 1969 at least that we know of.

According to a well-respected (yet extremely secretive) UK music journalist who wrote an unpublished book about Manson, at least 2 Wilson brothers sang on Manson demos cut at the Bellagio house.
Right I heard the story too. No proof on it though. If he ever does a book I will read it, but until then I am unconvinced.

The writer in question used to post back in the 90's on the Pet Sounds Mailing List and on the Spectropop list too. He also despises David Leaf.  Wink
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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2008, 02:39:32 PM »

Ok two points for him.
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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2008, 05:54:38 PM »

Hehe.  Smiley

FWIW, I kinda take his claims with a grain of salt, too.  As I said, the book has yet to surface (despite being mooted for over a decade) and he supposedly felt threatened by (ostensibly) Manson people who were not in prison. 

Just remembered the title of the book: LIVE FREAKY, DIE FREAKY
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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2008, 11:38:10 PM »

The writer in question has a small, but interesting, collection of death threats from Manson. FWIW, having read some of the evidence, I believe that at least two other BB had more to do with Manson (musically) than they'd like people to know. One reason why the tapes are buried very deeply in the archives.
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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2008, 11:49:42 PM »

I'm very open to reading what he has, but he will have to ignore Manson and put it out before I can consider it's accuracy.
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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2008, 01:14:25 AM »

Is this the writer that suggested Dennis may have been rather 'close' to Manson?
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