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« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2006, 11:19:05 AM »

Andrew G. Doe:

Yes, you are being sensitive. I even mentioned that your book was "great" and "one of the best" -- yet, your response was a bit harsh towards me (and not too professional, IMO). I wasn't saying anything negative, nor was I even criticizing your book. I simply wanted more details about vocals, that's it.

I don't have my copy of your book right now. I accidentally left it at Cost Cutters (and no, I'm not saying this to spite you, I really did forget it.) when I was getting a haircut 2 weeks ago. After work, I'll pick it up and check out those pages you were referring to.

Yeah, sure I remember you getting down and dirty with SOME of the vocal ID facts, like your "I'll Bet He's Nice" example, but I don't think every song you covered consisted of vocal explanation like that; WHICH IS WHY I started this thread... I want to know it all and be sure AND at the same time, get some input from people in this forum whether they're Beach Boy book authors, or not.

Is that ok with you? 

Sure, yeah, some of these vocal IDs are obvious to the ears but what's wrong with knowing for sure? Heck, you guys read this thread, a lot of AL sounded like Mike Love and vice versa, same can be said about Carl/Brian... so, you guys with super ears can stand by your "facts."

As for me, I want input from helpful people in this forum.

BTW (to whoever brought up liner notes), I bought the majority of my Beach Boys collection on iTunes so I'm not blessed with the booklets (and yes, they were legally downloaded)

Anyways, I'll check out  pages 89 to 96 to get vocal information.

In the meantime, cool off, man.

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« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2006, 12:20:37 PM »

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Thanks for the kind words. Most people I know have it permanently installed in the toilet.  Shocked


I'm one of them!!  (I could make a joke about a "Little Deuce Poop" but I won't.)
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2006, 12:25:41 PM »

I said some kind words, too (see first post on this thread). Where's my thanks?  Cry
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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2006, 12:28:04 PM »

He hates you, Run.
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« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2006, 03:30:09 PM »

runalot, did it never occur to you that i was doing the best I could within the constraints of the format ? You know how many pages were cut ? Eight. Sure, you said nice things (and thanks for that), then proceded to tell me it wasn't good enough -

"But it fails to REALLY justify who is singing what."

Well, gee, thanks a bunch for that. I only spent three months writing the thing in my spare time (and some 30 years researching it). You write the next one.

Am I being over-sensetive ? Maybe, but I'm proud of that book and don't take unfounded criticism kindly. The leads are noted for the overwhelming majority of the songs - granted some slipped past - and to be told it's not good enough is, frankly, insulting to me on a personal and professional level. Omnibus thought it was good enough (twice) as did my collaborator.
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« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2006, 03:32:57 PM »

I thought your book said it all, Andrew. Perfection.
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« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2006, 03:59:45 PM »

I never said it wasn't good enough. I never insulted you, either.

Maybe my words "But it fails to REALLY justify who is singing what" were taken wrong and sound a bit dark. All I said is it never gets into detail on who sings what (and I'm sure it does on some songs, but not all!).... that's it.  And it's not you or your books or your partners fault for this. Your book just didn't have that extra detail I wanted...   STILL, I'd rate it a 5-star!!!!  Understand?

Sorry you took it as an insult.
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« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2006, 04:18:11 PM »

Andrew,

For what it's worth, I think your book is great.  An invaluable resource.

The only quibble I had--and you may remember that we exchanged posts about it here a few months ago--was that you listed Carl as doing the lead vocals on "Here Comes the Night (1967)" and to my ears, it's definitely Brian.

Looking forward to the update!
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« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2006, 04:27:41 PM »

I never said it wasn't good enough. I never insulted you, either.

Maybe my words "But it fails to REALLY justify who is singing what" were taken wrong and sound a bit dark. All I said is it never gets into detail on who sings what (and I'm sure it does on some songs, but not all!).... that's it.  And it's not you or your books or your partners fault for this. Your book just didn't have that extra detail I wanted...   STILL, I'd rate it a 5-star!!!!  Understand?

Sorry you took it as an insult.


But Andrew DOES tell you who sings what. Even right down to individual lines. That's the point. If you're going to make a criticism about somebody's work, make sure you know what you're talking about first.
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« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2006, 04:36:30 PM »

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If you're going to make a criticism about somebody's work, make sure you know what you're talking about first.

I didn't criticize his work, man. What is this? Gang up on on Runalot day? With that said...

Andrew,

Looked through you book again and I realize why you may have gotten a little ticked at my remark (my memory isn't the best).  It does list who sings what - some, more than others - but like you said, limited format, etc.

I guess I was just looking for those extra details (you know, like exactly who sings what during what verse, etc...on ALL.)

Anwyays, I'm ready to move on. When I list my next set of albums on this thread, I'll actually reference what you wrote in regards to who sings what. And, if there is more i need to know, I'll put a little question beside it.

Cheers.

(BTW, me leaving that book at the barber was a mistake. All the color photos are tore out... someone's kid must've gotten a hold of it). I can almost promise you that I'll pick up another pristine copy -- and that is how much I dig your book.

Now, can you guys stop picking on me? :D




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« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2006, 04:37:54 PM »

That is why you don't take valuables with you to public places!

Besides, don't barber shops have magazines that you can read?
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« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2006, 04:41:41 PM »

I'd rather read Andrew's book than WOMAN'S DAY. :D

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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2006, 04:45:28 PM »

I'd rather read a Beatles book by Geoffery G. (what's his last name? Italian) than read Woman's Day.
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« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2006, 04:47:24 PM »

I'd rather read Andrew's book than WOMAN'S DAY. :D



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« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2006, 08:38:04 PM »

Ian, Cpt. Howdy...

what is your avatar from?
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« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2006, 08:41:14 PM »

The greatest movie of all time, Impulse (1974).
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« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2006, 08:48:26 PM »

William Shatner. :D

Cool.
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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2006, 10:34:41 PM »

The comp guide does not list every individual singer of every song. I think that's obvious, since it would have had to be twice as big otherwse. Smiley

So can we agree that some nerdy details about certain vocal parts are still open to discussion? For example:
Who sings "Oh Lord I lay me down, No life's left to be found, There's nothing left for me"?
And Al Jardine sings on the last part of A Day In The Life Of A Tree besides Van Dyke Parks.
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« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2006, 10:41:38 PM »

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Who sings "Oh Lord I lay me down, No life's left to be found, There's nothing left for me"?

The first time it's Jack Rieley of course...subsequently (after Van sings his "trees like me" part) it sounds like Brian to me...the timbre of his voice was very distinct in that era.  Which part is Al singing? That high "da-da da da"?
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« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2006, 12:37:32 AM »

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Who sings "Oh Lord I lay me down, No life's left to be found, There's nothing left for me"?

The first time it's Jack Rieley of course...subsequently (after Van sings his "trees like me" part) it sounds like Brian to me...the timbre of his voice was very distinct in that era.  Which part is Al singing? That high "da-da da da"?
Here is what I meant:

Rieley: Trees like me weren't meant to live
Rieley:  If all this world can give
Rieley: Pollution and slow death

Rieley???: Oh Lord I lay me down
Rieley???:  No life's left to be found
Rieley???:  There's nothing left for me

Van Dyke: Trees like me weren't meant to live
Van Dyke:  If all this earth can give
Van Dyke:  Is pollution

Van Dyke: Trees like me weren't meant to live
 Al: (Oh Lord I lay me down)
 Van Dyke: If all this earth can give
Al:  (My branches to the ground)
Van Dyke:  Is pollution and slow death
Al: (There's nothing left for me)

Al: Oh Lord I lay me down
Al:  My branches to the ground
Al:  There's nothing left for me

There are also some backing vocals...
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« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2006, 01:41:29 AM »

No, no, no, it goes like this:

Van Dyke: Treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees like me weren't meant to liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive

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« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2006, 04:59:26 AM »


Here is what I meant:

Rieley: Trees like me weren't meant to live
Rieley:  If all this world can give
Rieley: Pollution and slow death

Rieley???: Oh Lord I lay me down
Rieley???:  No life's left to be found
Rieley???:  There's nothing left for me

Van Dyke: Trees like me weren't meant to live
Van Dyke:  If all this earth can give
Van Dyke:  Is pollution

Van Dyke: Trees like me weren't meant to live
 Al: (Oh Lord I lay me down)
 Van Dyke: If all this earth can give
Al:  (My branches to the ground)
Van Dyke:  Is pollution and slow death
Al: (There's nothing left for me)

Al: Oh Lord I lay me down
Al:  My branches to the ground
Al:  There's nothing left for me

There are also some backing vocals...


Andreas,

I strongly believe that all of the lines you attribute to Al were actually sung by Brian. Doesn't sound like Al at all to my ears--but it does sound a hell of a lot like Brian.

AGD, can you weigh in on this?
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« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2006, 05:12:05 AM »


Here is what I meant:

Rieley: Trees like me weren't meant to live
Rieley:  If all this world can give
Rieley: Pollution and slow death

Rieley???: Oh Lord I lay me down
Rieley???:  No life's left to be found
Rieley???:  There's nothing left for me

Van Dyke: Trees like me weren't meant to live
Van Dyke:  If all this earth can give
Van Dyke:  Is pollution

Van Dyke: Trees like me weren't meant to live
 Al: (Oh Lord I lay me down)
 Van Dyke: If all this earth can give
Al:  (My branches to the ground)
Van Dyke:  Is pollution and slow death
Al: (There's nothing left for me)

Al: Oh Lord I lay me down
Al:  My branches to the ground
Al:  There's nothing left for me

There are also some backing vocals...


Andreas,

I strongly believe that all of the lines you attribute to Al were actually sung by Brian. Doesn't sound like Al at all to my ears--but it does sound a hell of a lot like Brian.



I think Stephen Desper stated that it was indeed Brian. Look through the essays. Chuck's Desper-engine is very good and very easy to handle. Hope you'll find some infos
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« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2006, 05:30:49 AM »

Steve does indeed say it's Brian, bit it just doesn't sound like him to these ears. If it is him he's never sung like that before or since.

Normally I'd back Steve on anything, but he's not infallible (i.e. Brian's part on "At My Window" is French, not Portugese). But then, who is ?
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« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2006, 06:13:58 AM »

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Steve does indeed say it's Brian, bit it just doesn't sound like him to these ears. If it is him he's never sung like that before or since.

You have to remember that his entire contention is that it's Brian physically sped up on tape, by playing the tape slowly while recording the vocal, so the vocal appears to be higher when played back at regular speed.

So indeed, Brian would never have sung like that before or since.
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