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May 07, 2008, 07:11:15 PM »
Very very sad. I agree with the above sentiments that even with all the touring, the BWPS mind blow and the TLOS surprise, I've always felt as if there was a great unsaid - why didn't these greyhounds just GO and knock out some great studio experiments with Brian? Sometimes I'm afraid that its possible the here n now Brian has a lot more in common with the yawning, slightly 'down' fellow in the early BWPS rehearsal vids. Maybe the reason it never fully came together is that Brian was never fully capable of seeing it through.
I'll be interested in seeing whether the greatest hits tour this summer will basically be a warmed over version of the casino line up I saw in Vancouver last summer. Stripped down and quick n dirty. They are playing casinos this go round anyway.
If the TLOS release ends up dumbing down the freshness of the London shows, I'm glad that I downloaded the London shows and downloaded the demos. VERY pleased. If that offends the inner circle, well - that's just too bad. That lucky old sun will still come up tomorrow.
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Wasn't Adult Child the last time Brian really took charge? I think after that he wasn't able to and he for the most part is that yawning figure seen in the Smile doc. He comes to life under the right circumstances, but because he is dependent on others to such a high degree it is hit and miss. I see the whole hits tour, Al "leaving", the tribute dvd's as slaps in the face. I don't ecactly blame Brian but he does let this stuff happen. He still has a lot of talent but nobody seems to realize that these musicians are important and should be treated like the equal partners they are. Otherwise we will get another Sweet Insanity or Stars and Stripes debacle or something unfocussed as GIOMH. Personally if Brian retired after Smile it may have been better all around. LOS has promise but if it's not going to be done right I rather stick with what's floating around now. Since he had that onstage episode last year I feel more then ever that Brian is being led by the nose down the wrong path. Seeing how blank he looks lately on things like the Kennedy Honors breaks my heart really.
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Re: Alleged TLOS demos...
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Quote from: MBE on May 07, 2008, 08:49:48 PM
Since he had that onstage episode last year I feel more then ever that Brian is being led by the nose down the wrong path. Seeing how blank he looks lately on things like the Kennedy Honors breaks my heart really.
What happened onstage last year? I never heard about that...
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on May 07, 2008, 10:08:57 AM
This is all I'll say: I was anticipating the studio version of
TLOS
with uncommon impatience. Not so much any more. I think... to expect another
BWPS
could now be unrealistic.
This is very disturbing.
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May 07, 2008, 09:26:32 PM »
I've decided I'm not going to worry or stress over anything I can't control.
Over the past 10 years I've received more from Brian than I ever expected and I'm more than happy with that.
Brian and his People or the People and their Brian can do whatever they want. I saw TLOS with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears and I'm happy with that - if it never makes to record or CD then its just sad too bad.
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May 07, 2008, 09:40:14 PM »
Well, I think some of this goes too far.
Saying that Brian and the band could have done more on an original, creative level in the last 10 years is one thing. Saying Brian is being manipulated or controlled is quite another.
For what it's worth, I think Brian is probably quite content to be creative sometimes, and not creative a lot of other times. The issue is how those around him deal with that. I think his inner circle can sometimes force him at times he doesn't want to be forced. I think his band (his outer circle, so to speak) is so reluctant to ever force him that they sometimes miss out on the potential for great things.
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What happened onstage last year? I never heard about that...
I think it is a reference to him laying down on the stage mid-show last year during one of the concerts with Al Jardine.
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Quote from: TheOther Anonymous on May 08, 2008, 03:39:55 AM
What happened onstage last year? I never heard about that...
I think it is a reference to him laying down on the stage mid-show last year during one of the concerts with Al Jardine.
Never heard about that before. Sounds quite dramatic to me. What happened?
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Quote from: phirnis on May 08, 2008, 05:04:45 AM
Quote from: TheOther Anonymous on May 08, 2008, 03:39:55 AM
What happened onstage last year? I never heard about that...
I think it is a reference to him laying down on the stage mid-show last year during one of the concerts with Al Jardine.
Never heard about that before. Sounds quite dramatic to me. What happened?
I think Brian just had a little heat stroke or dehydration. He sat down onstage for a little spell, then got up & finished the show.
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Who exactly has been fired? Or whatever?
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Quote from: TonyW on May 07, 2008, 09:26:32 PM
I've decided I'm not going to worry or stress over anything I can't control.
Over the past 10 years I've received more from Brian than I ever expected and I'm more than happy with that.
Brian and his People or the People and their Brian can do whatever they want. I saw TLOS with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears and I'm happy with that - if it never makes to record or CD then its just sad too bad.
thanks for adding a bit of sanity to the discussion, Tony!!
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Quote from: c-man on May 08, 2008, 05:06:04 AM
Quote from: phirnis on May 08, 2008, 05:04:45 AM
Quote from: TheOther Anonymous on May 08, 2008, 03:39:55 AM
What happened onstage last year? I never heard about that...
I think it is a reference to him laying down on the stage mid-show last year during one of the concerts with Al Jardine.
Never heard about that before. Sounds quite dramatic to me. What happened?
I think Brian just had a little heat stroke or dehydration. He sat down onstage for a little spell, then got up & finished the show.
Thank you.
To me that sounds like something that could happen to just about anybody, not only to poor manipulated Brian Wilson.
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Quote from: phirnis on May 08, 2008, 05:25:19 AM
Quote from: c-man on May 08, 2008, 05:06:04 AM
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I think Brian just had a little heat stroke or dehydration. He sat down onstage for a little spell, then got up & finished the show.
Thank you.
To me that sounds like something that could happen to just about anybody, not only to poor manipulated Brian Wilson.
Yes, exactly. It has happened to me before. If you feel like you're going to pass out, you sit or lie down, wherever you are. I learned that the hard way, and I'm not sickly or manipulated.
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To go back to the "Why haven't the band written with Brian" question, i'm remembering the early days of touring - 1999, 2000, 2001, when that question was being asked. It seems to me that the guys who were Wondermints, specifically, did not want to be seen as leaches - they didn't want people thinking that they were in the band so they could take advantage of Brian, getting writing credits with him, etc. They purposely stayed as far as possible from the idea that they wree using Brian, and that extended to writing with him. Why more of it isn't happening now that they've proven their loyalty beyond anyone's reasonable doubt i cannot answer.
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Quote from: Smilin Ed H on May 08, 2008, 05:10:59 AM
Who exactly has been fired? Or whatever?
Word is that the Tasty Brothers aren't the flavor of the month any more.
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this is all so murky... i think the lack of a clear direction post-BWPS is coming to bear now. the TLOS demos could become a really beautiful record, but the apparent band upheaval is a little disconcerting... is any of it confirmed?
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I'm really revealing my ignorance here--who are the Tasty Brothers?
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Quote from: SMiLE-Holland on May 08, 2008, 11:56:46 AM
Jim Hines and Bob Lizik
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major bummer, if that's true... i read somewhere that taylor's hubby, who drums for styx, and will lee were lined up as replacements. maybe just temporary? i just don't understand the treadmill summer tour... other than generating some coin, i don't see the upside.
met bob and jim backstage in '05, and they were both really nice guys... bob introduced my friend and i to brian, which was far above the call of duty. he'll always be a legend to me for going the extra mile for us.
i don't really understand some of the hyperventilating that went on when the TLOS demos surfaced... we'd already heard two of the tracks bw.com, and the sort of people who would go to the trouble of seeking out the demos would already have heard any or all of the UK live shows that were circulating. i am one of those people, and i will be purchasing the album in a couple formats when or if it makes it to market. they have bigger issues than these demos, it sounds like... this is small potatoes, and all the wrangling and thread deleting just ends up confusing fans who will buy the final product anyway. weird.
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Quote from: razorboy on May 08, 2008, 12:22:11 PM
major bummer, if that's true... i read somewhere that taylor's hubby, who drums for styx, and will lee were lined up as replacements.
Jim Hines was in fact the replacement for Todd Sucherman who left Brian's band for playing with Styx
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right on - but wasn't it stated somewhere (maybe the blue) that todd is back in for this summer?
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If the only changes in the band are Hines and Lizik are removed, from a musical standpoint I'd give that a big "oh well." They're both very good, but neither is anything near irreplaceable. As previously mentioned, if Sucherman replaces Hines, he's just taking his old job back. No big problem there. And while I enjoy Lizik's playing, I don't think it's much of a problem to find a bassist to handle the lines. He's not writing songs, he's not singing ... someone else can do what he does. If there were some sort of unseemliness involved in the quitting/firing/parting, I might say something else, but nobody has much (anything?) to say on that, so why speculate? Musicians join and leave bands all the time. It's not that big a deal. As Prof. Harold Hill said, "There's always a band, kid."
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At this stage in the game..who gives a care
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Does anyone expect anything on par with Today??..relax and enjoy the past
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So is this an accurate summation?
No TLOS will be released and Brian's touring band is being reorganized.
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