Big Bag of Vegetables 9-disk set???

[SloopJohnB]

We know that during that span BW had to have done tons of rough mixes and test edits. Where is all that stuff?

Perhaps these are the tapes that have indeed been scrapped by Brian. Or maybe he just played frisbee with these acetates. 

[The Shift]

A BBs fan of some great repute once told me that many of the tapes still existing had been cut. I think he was referring to final  -  ie, definitive - takes on many of the songs having been spliced off the ends of the reels. Aka stolen.
My understanding of the processes isn't that hot but maybe he would care to embelish my memory -  it was a casual conversatoon at a BW Smile gig in '04, Birmingham I think - as I know he posts here.

[XY]

While there likely isn't much Smile stuff in the Brother vaults that hasn't been booted (save for Jazz, more Great Shape instro takes, etc)

Talking about the instrumental sessions, I would guess about 70% in the Brother vaults isn't booted. There are samples around of probably every recorded SMiLE fragment, but the sessions on the boots are for the most part very incomplete, if not all of them. As mentioned, final takes are missing or there's only the talking between takes.

[JDShadow]

..Secret SMiLe, Psychadelic Sounds and Sessions Tape make a great addition any collection, but that still doesn't  account for about 50% of a 9 cd or so box set having never been booted on a large scale and only known to a very few insider collectors.

When my friend becomes "board active" again,  he'll publish a promised track list for BBOV.

So this tells me that somebody came up with tape or acetate sources (that's why I was guessing Durrie Parks) that have not seen the light of day until recently.

It gets more interesting all the time...

[A Million Units In Jan!]

On the official Beach Boys box set that had the five or six 'SMiLE' releases on it, does anybody recall where the middle section of DYLW came from? It's where the 'Bicycle Rider' section would have gone, except this  section sounds slightly warped (I think it sounds almost like a mellotron with Brian chanting over it-'oom dada'). I seem to recall someone saying it came from a box that had different little bits on it, but I can't recall what it was-doesn anybody know?

[PhilCohen]

On the official Beach Boys box set that had the five or six 'SMiLE' releases on it, does anybody recall where the middle section of DYLW came from? It's where the 'Bicycle Rider' section would have gone, except this  section sounds slightly warped (I think it sounds almost like a mellotron with Brian chanting over it-'oom dada'). I seem to recall someone saying it came from a box that had different little bits on it, but I can't recall what it was-doesn anybody know?

The "Warped" section is a mastering defect by Capitol, which causes the tape to drag(I.E. slow down) at 2 places.

[XY]

It is almost certain that there are acetates in existence that contain material that has not been booted.

I don't think many unheard vocals could be found on acetates, but the final version of "Wind Chimes" would be realistic for example. The mix Michael Vosse talked about in 1969. I know the boxset version is supposed to be finished, but according to Vosse there were little music box overdubs on the piano part, mixed with different echos. Brian's musical arrangement of wind chimes tingling in the rough wind. Would love to hear that.

[Chris Moise]

It is almost certain that there are acetates in existence that contain material that has not been booted.

I don't think many unheard vocals could be found on acetates, but the final version of "Wind Chimes" would be realistic for example. The mix Michael Vosse talked about in 1969. I know the boxset version is supposed to be finished, but according to Vosse there were little music box overdubs on the piano part, mixed with different echos. Brian's musical arrangement of wind chimes tingling in the rough wind. Would love to hear that.

Wow. That is fascinating. I'll have to read that 1969 Vosse interview again. I was thinking that the acetates might have Look/IRan with the group vocal ovedubs and CITFOTM with verse vocals. Another possibility I considered was DYLW with the 'ribbon of concrete' vocal. Do you think the acetates might have this stuff?

[Chris Moise]

On the official Beach Boys box set that had the five or six 'SMiLE' releases on it, does anybody recall where the middle section of DYLW came from? It's where the 'Bicycle Rider' section would have gone, except this  section sounds slightly warped (I think it sounds almost like a mellotron with Brian chanting over it-'oom dada'). I seem to recall someone saying it came from a box that had different little bits on it, but I can't recall what it was-doesn anybody know?

The "Warped" section is a mastering defect by Capitol, which causes the tape to drag(I.E. slow down) at 2 places.

I don't know if I would call it a mastering error. There was probably a tape drag and they decided not to fix it digitally. It is interesting that that section isn't on any of the boots.

[PhilCohen]

On the official Beach Boys box set that had the five or six 'SMiLE' releases on it, does anybody recall where the middle section of DYLW came from? It's where the 'Bicycle Rider' section would have gone, except this  section sounds slightly warped (I think it sounds almost like a mellotron with Brian chanting over it-'oom dada'). I seem to recall someone saying it came from a box that had different little bits on it, but I can't recall what it was-doesn anybody know?

The "Warped" section is a mastering defect by Capitol, which causes the tape to drag(I.E. slow down) at 2 places.

I don't know if I would call it a mastering error. There was probably a tape drag and they decided not to fix it digitally. It is interesting that that section isn't on any of the boots.

That section was recorded separately, for possible use as an edit piece. It is not on the boots because it was not an original part of any take of "Do You Like Worms".

[Bicyclerider]

It's not a different section - it's the verse section, which is on every edit we have of Worms from the era, in the same place it is on the GV box set (and on BWPS) - it's the backing vocals which are unique to this section.  Where the tape with the backing vocals was found, is unclear - it may be from the unlabeled 8 track comp tape that dates to early 1972 and was compiled by Stephen Desper and Carl Wilson for the projected release of Smile in late 1972. The tape include something called "Worms - sections 1,2,4,5,6,7."  I suspect the backing vocals were on one of those sections, but who knows.  I haven't heard of any other Worms tapes or Worms acetates coming to light after this tape.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

It is almost certain that there are acetates in existence that contain material that has not been booted.

I don't think many unheard vocals could be found on acetates, but the final version of "Wind Chimes" would be realistic for example. The mix Michael Vosse talked about in 1969. I know the boxset version is supposed to be finished, but according to Vosse there were little music box overdubs on the piano part, mixed with different echos. Brian's musical arrangement of wind chimes tingling in the rough wind. Would love to hear that.

The "Barnshine" thingy with the My Only Sunshine vocals not heard elsewhere gives us a glimmer of hope.

[Chris Moise]

On the official Beach Boys box set that had the five or six 'SMiLE' releases on it, does anybody recall where the middle section of DYLW came from? It's where the 'Bicycle Rider' section would have gone, except this  section sounds slightly warped (I think it sounds almost like a mellotron with Brian chanting over it-'oom dada'). I seem to recall someone saying it came from a box that had different little bits on it, but I can't recall what it was-doesn anybody know?

The "Warped" section is a mastering defect by Capitol, which causes the tape to drag(I.E. slow down) at 2 places.

I don't know if I would call it a mastering error. There was probably a tape drag and they decided not to fix it digitally. It is interesting that that section isn't on any of the boots.

That section was recorded separately, for possible use as an edit piece. It is not on the boots because it was not an original part of any take of "Do You Like Worms".

Where did you get that from?

[JDShadow]

..just received this from a friend--his track list for BBOV

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD1 "GOOD GOOD VIBRATIONS"

1. Good Vibrations Session (1:24)
2. Good Vibrations Session (1:35)
3. Good Vibrations Session (3:09)
4. Good Vibrations Session (1:18)
5. Good Vibrations Session (2:02)
6. Good Vibrations Session (2:27)
7. Good Vibrations Session (2:14)
8. Good Vibrations Session (1:48)
9. Good Vibrations Session (0:34)
10. Good Vibrations Session (1:16)
11. Good Vibrations Session (0:47)
12. Good Vibrations Session (2:05)
13. Good Vibrations Session (1:01)
14. Good Vibrations Session (1:25)
15. Good Vibrations Session (0:48)
16. Good Vibrations Session (0:50)
17. Good Vibrations Session (1:53)
18. Good Vibrations Session (1:36)
19. Good Vibrations Session (2:34)
20. Good Vibrations Session (1:26)
21. Good Vibrations Session (1:49)
22. Good Vibrations Session (2:06)
23. Good Vibrations Session (2:04)
24. Good Vibrations Session (1:41)
25. Good Vibrations Session (2:24)
26. Good Vibrations Session (1:00)
27. Good Vibrations Session (1:39)
28. Good Vibrations Session (0:49)
29. Good Vibrations Session (1:59)
30. Good Vibrations Session (2:13)
31. Prayer (1:01)
32. Wonderful (2:10)
33. Cabinessence (2:28)
34. Cabinessence (1:57)
35. Child Is Father Of The Man (1:04)
36. Child Is Father Of The Man (1:11)
37. Do You Like Worms (3:47)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD2 "HEROES & VILLAINS"

1. Heroes & Villains Minor Theme (track) (0:56)
2. Bicycle Rider (0:36)
3. Heroes & Villains Verse Track (0:54)
4. Heroes & VillainsIntro Rehearsal (1:18)
5. Intro (stereo mix) (0:55)
6. 2nd Verse Instrumental Pickup (0:59)
7. E Minor Piano Sections (1:38)
8. Heroes & Villains Verse Vocal OD's (1:00)
9. Do Alot (0:47)
10. Vocal Section Rehearsal (bridge to indians) (6:39)
11. Tag To Part 1 (stereo mix) (1:18)
12. With Me Tonight (0:58)
13. Part Two Revised Version (1:57)
14. In The Cantina (3:17)
15. In The Cantina (0:37)
16. Gee-How I Love My Girl (take 10) (1:00)
17. Vocal Section #4 (1:24)
18. Vocal Section #5 (0:49)
19. Vocal Section #6 Rehearsal (5:17)
20. Vocal Section #6 Breakdown & Take (0:50)
21. Vocal Sections Mix Attempts (1:39)
22. Sunny Down Snuff BG Vocs test (0:31)
23. Bring Mike A Bag Of Vibrating Money (1:37)
24. Sunny Down Snuff (stereo-vocals) (0:40)
25. Heroes & Villains Minor Theme With Vocal (0:51)
26. My Children Were Raised (slowly) (0:33)
27. Sunny Down Snuff (rehearsals) (8:04)
28. My Children Were Raised (quickly) session & take (3:20)
29. Whistle Session Backing Rehearsals (5:54)
30. Whistle (take with OD's) (0:15)
31. Oscillator Sessions (11:57)
32. Soul Made Beautiful Sessions (7:25)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD3 "HEROES & VILLAINS 2"

1. Heroes & Villains (piano demo) (4:02)
2. Heroes & Villains (intro #1) (1:09)
3. Heroes & Villains (intro #2) (1:01)
4. Heroes & Villains (gong intro) (0:55)
5. Bag Of Tricks (1:03)
6. Bag Of Tricks (1:01)
7. Heroes & Villains (intro #3) (0:50)
8. Heroes & Villains (test edit sections) (1:59)
9. Heroes & Villains (backing with BG vocals) (0:50)
10. Heroes & Villains Verse (test edit) (0:48)
11. Barnyard (1:01)
12. I'm In Great Shape (tracking) (0:40)
13. I'm In Great Shape (tracking) (1:01)
14. I'm In Great Shape (tracking) (0:38)
15. Bicycle Rider (mix) (0:29)
16. Bicycle Rider (mix) (0:37)
17. Bicycle Rider (mix) (0:35)
18. Bicycle Rider (mix) (0:35)
19. Heroes & Villains (verse mix) (0:58)
20. Sweeping Strings (0:59)
21. Heroes & Villains (fade re-record) (1:33)
22. Piano Sections (2:37)
23. In The Cantina (0:47)
24. In The Cantina (0:42)
25. In The Cantina (0:40)
26. Heroes & Villains (6:26)
27. Oscillator Session (take) (2:14)
28. Piano Rehearsal (4:09)
29. Hold On (0:45)
30. My Children Were Raised (quickly) (0:27)
31. My Children Were Raised (slowly) (0:26)
32. Dumb Whistle (0:19)
33. Soul Made Beautiful (0:16)
34. Bridge To Indians (0:15)
35. How I Love My Girl (0:59)
36. Sunny Down Snuff (1:21)
37. Part 2 Vocal Section 4 (0:50)
38. Part 2 Vocal Section 5 (0:42)
39. My Children Were Raised (again) (0:42)
40. Heroes & Villains (minor theme) (0:52)
41. Sunny Down Snuff (0:27)
42. Tag To Part 1 (0:47)
43. Tag To Part 1 (0:52)
44. Tag To Part 1 (0:39)
45. My Children Were Raised (0:27)
46. Heroes & Villains (mix session) (0:54)
47. Heroes & Villains (mix session) (1:08)
48. Heroes & Villains (mix session) (2:01)
49. Heroes & Villains (mix session) (1:20)
50. Heroes & Villains (mix session) (1:23)
51. Heroes & Villains (vocal overdub) (0:53)
52. Heroes & Villains (vocal overdub) (0:50)
53. Heroes & Villains (vocal overdub) (0:50)
54. Heroes & Villains (vocal overdub) (0:49)
55. Heroes & Villains (vocal overdub) (0:54)
56. Heroes & Villains - Old Master Painter (fade session) (4:18)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD4 "SEA OF FOOLS"

1. Do You Like Worms (verse with voc OD) (1:21)
2. Do You Like Worms (stereo mix) (4:17)
3. Do You Like Worms (verse track) (1:30)
4. Bicycle Rider (take 14) (0:55)
5. Do You Like Worms (2nd verse) (1:07)
6. Bicycle Rider (exit music) (1:09)
7. Old Master Painter (fade) (1:14)
8. Old Master Painter (backing track) (2:22)
9. Old Master Painter (session) (1:58)
10. Old Master Painter (take 4) (1:32)
11. Fire (takes 6-11) (4:13)
12. Wonderful (track session) (5:02)
13. Wonderful (instr overdub) (2:19)
14. Wonderful (1st vocal OD) (2:16)
15. Wonderful (insert vocal OD) (2:07)
16. Wonderful (tag) (1:03)
17. Wonderful (april re-record) (1:07)
18. The Child Is Father Of The Man (session) (8:06)
19. The Child Is Father Of The Man (piano track) (1:25)
20. The Child Is Father Of The Man (vocal overdub) (1:40)
21. Vege-Tables (fade) (1:45)
22. Water Chant (1:01)
23. Friday Night-I Wanna Be Around (session) (6:46)
24. Wind Chimes (session) (6:00)
25. Wind Chimes (assembly with vocal) (3:00)
26. Wind Chimes (ending take 3) (0:38)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD5 "MISC SESSIONS"

1. Cabinessence (session) (1:29)
2. Cabinessence (session) (1:30)
3. Cabinessence (session) (1:21)
4. Cabinessence (session) (0:38)
5. Cabinessence (session) (1:34)
6. Cabinessence (session) (1:33)
7. Child Is Father To The Man (section) (0:47)
8. Child Is Father To The Man (section) (0:50)
9. Child Is Father To The Man (section) (0:35)
10. Child Is Father To The Man (section) (1:46)
11. Child Is Father To The Man (piano version) (1:04)
12. Child Is Father To The Man (track) (3:04)
13. Vega-Tables (mix) (2:11)
14. Vega-Tables (mix) (2:11)
15. Vega-Tables (mix) (2:11)
16. Vega-Tables (april assembly) (4:47)
17. Vega-Tables (fade session) (5:42)
18. Vega-Tables (fade mix) (1:56)
19. Do A Lot (0:54)
20. Water Chant (1:05)
21. Wonderful (track with BV) (2:12)
22. Do You Like Worms (4:16)
23. Fire (2:09)
24. Wind Chimes (take 6) (1:14)
25. Wind Chimes (take 23) (1:34)
26. Wind Chimes Tag (alernate) (1:14)
27. Wind Chimes (pickup) (0:44)
28. Surfs Up (session) (5:52)
29. Surfs Up (session) (1:43)
30. Surfs Up (piano version) (3:58)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD6 "MISC SESSIONS 2"

1. Prayer (session) (4:54)
2. Prayer (stereo mix) (1:07)
3. Tune X - Tones (2:21)
4. Tune X - Tones (3:14)
5. Tune X - Tones (2:19)
6. Tune X - Tones (2:22)
7. All Day (2:08)
8. All Day (1:27)
9. All Day (0:35)
10. All Day (0:28)
11. All Day (0:24)
12. I Love To Say DaDa (0:53)
13. I Love To Say DaDa (0:19)
14. I Love To Say DaDa (1:54)
15. I Love To Say DaDa (1:29)
16. I Love To Say DaDa (1:30)
17. I Love To Say DaDa (1:28)
18. I Love To Say DaDa (1:17)
19. With Me Tonight (session) (6:37)
20. With Me Tonight (mix) (1:49)
21. With Me Tonight (mix #2) (3:08)
22. Look (2:57)
23. Untitled Instrumental (indian wisdom) (1:32)
24. Holidays (3:39)
25. My Little Red Book (3:05)
26. He Gives Speeches (1:12)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD7 "PSYCHEDELIC SOUNDS"

1. How's Your Foot (0:49)
2. Brian Fell Into The Piano (2:32)
3. Michael Falls In (1:20)
4. Look It's Mary Poppins (1:46)
5. Brian Falls Into The Mic (0:33)
6. You Just Wiped Out My Eardrum (2:31)
7. Ice Cream Mans Good Vibrations (1:44)
8. Lifter Leg & Poker (1:22)
9. It Was Brian In The Mic (1:27)
10. Gotta Have Cabbage (1:29)
11. Prune Time (0:59)
12. Beets & Carrots (2:26)
13. Thats Right Vega-Tables (0:28)
14. Big Bag Of Vegetables (1:03)
15. Toot-Toot Dot-Dot (2:04)
16. Lets Talk About Swimming (0:58)
17. Side Stroke (1:04)
18. Swim Swim (2:31)
19. Down On The Ocean Floor (4:24)
20. Breathing (2:13)
21. Torture (17:10)
22. Banana & Scott (15:50)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD8 "SMILEY SMILE"

1. Fall Breaks & Back To Winter (stereo) (2:32)
2. Wind Chimes (tag) (0:52)
3. Wind Chimes (tag rehearsals) (2:39)
4. Wind Chimes (piano track) (2:35)
5. Wind Chimes (1st vocal) (1:37)
6. Wind Chimes (2nd vocal with SFX) (2:25)
7. Wind Chimes (pick-up to fade) (0:39)
8. Vega-Tables (track with piano) (2:39)
9. Vega-Tables (1st vocal) (2:22)
10. Vega-Tables (2nd vocal) (2:21)
11. Gettin Hungry (rehearsals) (3:55)
12. Gettin Hungry (rough chorus) (0:36)
13. Gettin Hungry (stereo chorus) (0:30)
14. Wonderful (2:24)
15. Wonderful (1st vocal) (2:22)
16. Wonderful (instr OD's) (2:24)
17. Wonderful (vocal with clarinet) (2:27)
18. With Me Tonight (vocal session) (10:13)
19. With Me Tonight (rough mix section) (0:45)
20. Heroes & Villains (hawaii rehearsal with ML rant) (7:47)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD9 "SCRAPS"

1. Smile Promo (0:57)
2. Who Ran The Iron Horse (0:30)
3. Bicycle Rider (0:29)
4. Bicycle Rider (0:27)
5. Heroes & Villains (1st verse) (0:51)
6. Good Vibrations (rarities mix) (3:34)
7. Wonderful (track) (2:04)
8. Holidays (sessions) (3:02)
9. Holidays (2:21)
10. Surfs Up (session) (6:28)
11. Surfs Up (TV appearance) (2:30)
12. Hereos & Villains (fade re-record session) (9:54)
13. You Were My Sunshine (fade with vocal) (0:53)
14. Smog (5:15)
15. You're Welcome (no fade) (1:06)
16. Smile Party (24:04)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD10 "ADDENDUM"

1. Cabbie (2:53)
2. Bob Gordons Reel Trip (5:42)
3. Basketball Game (2:17)
4. Honeys (4:54)
5. Cabinessence (takes 1-23) (12:53)
6. Cabinessence (takes 1-23) (2:58)
7. Cabinessence (tag takes 1-5) (4:38)
8. Cabinessence (verse takes 1-12) (10:58)
9. Cabinessence (verse take 12 banjo) (1:26)
10. Cabinessence (verse take 12 piano & cello) (3:01)
11. Cabinessence (verse take 12 & chorus) (2:17)
12. Do You Like Worms (4:02)
13. Mrs O'Leary's Cow (2:24)
14. Mrs O'Leary's Cow (with SFX) (1:39)
15. Been Way Too Long (3 parts) (6:29)
16. Old Master Painter - You Are My Sunshine (1:19)
17. Wonderful (2:04)
18. Cabinessence (2:31)
19. Cabinessence (1:43)
20. Child Is Father To The Man (1:54)