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Question: Rate Holland
5 - 71 (41.3%)
4 - 66 (38.4%)
3 - 30 (17.4%)
2 - 5 (2.9%)
1 - 0 (0%)
0 - 0 (0%)
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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2006, 01:29:13 PM »

To me, the low point is the EXTREEEMELY dragging "Steamboat,"
I've never heard anyone say that. I don't agree, but congratulations on an original thought!

Really, to me, "Carl and the Passions" and 'Holland" are really one big long record that to me equals "Sunflower" as my very favorite period in the group's history.

I don't quite agree--I think that if you let me pick 10-12 songs from those two albums, I would put together something that far surpasses Sunflower for me.
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2006, 07:40:32 PM »

3.

That's just for effort mostly. But I do love love love Trader and Steamboat. Maybe its pretentious but I really dig Leaving This Town 'cause it's great to listen to when you're drunk and I like the synthesizer/organ solo.
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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2006, 07:33:05 AM »

Now if the band included It's A New Day on this album, it would've merited more than a 3 from me, maybe a 4. Seriously, that track is just that good.
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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2006, 10:15:51 AM »

Holland seemed to have a purpose; something totally lacking in the subsequent albums.  I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that a 95 album would've blown the others away.  There are some good Paley/BW songs and there are some weak ones.  You probably would've had an album with the feel of a 60s one.  Maybe Sean O'Hagan could've pulled off something interesting... On the other hand, by this time, the Lovester's lyrics aren't up to much - just listen to Bummer in Paradise or the stuff off his new album - even worse than Kalinich's on GIOMH, which is saying something.

You raise some interesting issues, Ed.

First, I agree that Holland did appear to have a purpose. I felt they were trying to make an ARTISTIC statement with the lyrical content, specifically the poetry, and by actually composing a "suite" with California Saga. The recordings were slick, with various noises and sound effects. The group used sound effects before, but not to this extent. The album title alone, Holland, would suggest that the group was disassociating themselves from California, yet half of the album was about California. Interesting. And remember, Holland was originally rejected by the record company.

I also wonder what the 1995 album would've sounded like and what Mike's role would've been. By that time, Mike was calling a lot of the shots, and he would've demanded major input. Would've he demanded to supply his own lyrics to the Paley tracks?

And lastly, I'm sure Steve Kalinich is a great guy who writes lovely poetry. But with very few exceptions, HIS LYRICS TO BEACH BOYS/BRIAN WILSON SONGS ARE TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2006, 02:54:33 PM »

I give this a 3. I place it about at the same level as Surf's Up.

I especially love "Trader," "Sail on Sailor," and "California." 
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« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2006, 07:19:33 PM »

Holland is very beautiful in spots and boring sadly in others.  Funky Pretty is a magical little song and trancends as well as Mt. Vernon and fairway is beautiful.
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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2006, 12:22:25 PM »

You must hold the sleeve upside down. Not many people know that.
Apart from that: 4 points.
It is the Beach Boys attempt at a The Band album, and not unsuccessful.
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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2006, 12:32:40 PM »

I still think this is the most overrated BBs album.
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« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2006, 12:34:53 PM »

Me too.
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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2006, 05:02:05 PM »

I don't think Holland sounds any more forced, pretentious or 'band wagon jumping' than Smiley all those years before...  I think they're both great artistic statements.

EDIT:  Or "Surf's Up" for gods sake... That thing sounds like it was squeezed out of Mike Love's ass. 
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« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2006, 05:11:47 PM »

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That thing sounds like it was squeezed out of Mike Love's ass.

I love when you talk like that to me. But we better keep that to PM's, my saucy Aussie.
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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2006, 05:17:09 PM »

Well, I meant that in the best possible way Smiley

I think Surf's Up is a fine album, but it's no less pretentious and wanky than Holland...  That's what I like about the albums, that they sound rather forced... part of their strange, alluring charm.

My dogs hate the 'whistles' in Funky Pretty... they go nuts whenever it's on (which is rare, as it's the weakest track on the album).
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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2006, 05:18:47 PM »

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it's the weakest track on the album).

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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2006, 05:21:19 PM »

Followed by "California"... aie.  Everyone likes that one, it shits me.   

Oh, as Ian said to Bruce Johnston Wink

 The crap bass, and the crap lead vocals do me head in.
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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2006, 05:24:54 PM »

Keyboard bass rules. I love Mike's vocal there.
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« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2006, 09:54:45 AM »

Probably the second best of their records in the seventies and as others have noted the most coherent, both soundwise and conceptually, also the one with the most constant quality of songs from that era. 
They head out with “Sail On Sailor“. I love this song, it has the shape of a blues, but the different chordchanges seem to be reflecting the movements of the wind and the sea, just as the pounding piano sounds like the motor of a boat, so it’s like a musical picture of a boat on the sea, one of those songs where the music and lyrics are one.
“Steamboat” not as good as SOS, but still a solid track with lots of ambience. Next up is “California Saga/Beaks of Eagles” which seems to be Mike and Al’s little element suite,  going from the mountains to the ocean, they even mimick the panoramic style of Brians piano intro from “Child”and “Look”, it’s a little bourgeois hippie and pretentious but it’s catchy and works as a suite.
 “Trader” is Carls masterpiece IMO, great song and the shift in tempo makes it very creative. “Leaving This Town” also a great song, that’s a little chordy, but without getting lost in the chords and with a beautiful outro. “Only With You” a good classically bent ballad with a funky chorus. “Funky Pretty” which is a nice funky pop song, that to some degree doesn’t sound fully realised, but still good. Ending with of course “Mount Vernon And Fairway” that creates it’s own little cosmos with some interesting music.
But all in all a solid coherent album with a stone classic, don’t know why they seemingly ran out of steam at that point.

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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2006, 05:04:02 PM »

Among their top three best 70s albums behind Sunflower and Love You, The Beach Boy's American gothic trip, could've been really great if it included We Got Love and Carry Me Home.  Highlights are Sail On Sailor, Big Sur, California and The Trader.
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« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2006, 05:15:51 PM »

American gothic trip...

Did you steal that phrase from VDP? I think you did.
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« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2006, 05:31:16 PM »

American gothic trip...

Did you steal that phrase from VDP?

Subconscious plagerism?  Didn't Van Dyke use that term to describe Cabinessense? Huh
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« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2006, 05:32:22 PM »

Yep. The American Band dvd.
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« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2006, 05:38:41 PM »

Sorry Van Dyke...Rock On!
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« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2006, 05:40:56 PM »

I think he forgives you as he does one of those full-on bow/curtsies, just like in the Beautiful Dreamer DVD...
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« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2006, 05:43:47 PM »

I like Van Dyke besides being a talented wordsmith he's a gentleman.
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« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2006, 05:44:40 PM »

I love him and his work. Or his work, anyway (I don't know him, so what can I say?). But I can still play around.
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« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2006, 05:47:10 PM »

Hmmm, this discussion is taking an unusual turn but I agree a lot of his solo work is quite good, Orange Crate Art and Discover America among others.
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