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Question: Rate Holland
5 - 71 (41.3%)
4 - 66 (38.4%)
3 - 30 (17.4%)
2 - 5 (2.9%)
1 - 0 (0%)
0 - 0 (0%)
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« Reply #175 on: July 07, 2013, 02:27:56 AM »

Holland is a tremendous album from start to finish (and Funky Pretty is amazing btw), although admittedly it is a little short (aren't almost all of their records??)

Anyway, I think this would've made for a damn good track-listing (no We Got Love coz it's lame):

1. Sail On Sailor
2. Steamboat
3. Big Sur
4. Beaks Of Eagles
5. California
6. Hard Times

7. Trader
8. Carry Me Home
9. Leaving This Town
10. Only With You
11. It's A New Day
12. Funky Pretty

12. Mt Vernon & Fairway EP
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« Reply #176 on: July 07, 2013, 02:58:54 AM »

I agree with that, except for the fact that I think 'Carry Me Home' is a definite album closer, if there ever was one.
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« Reply #177 on: July 07, 2013, 01:35:56 PM »

I agree with that, except for the fact that I think 'Carry Me Home' is a definite album closer, if there ever was one.

Hmm, I think Carry Me Home is a bit too intense and hard-hitting to end an album on. Second to last track would probably be better, with Funky Pretty to round the album off and lighten the tone.
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« Reply #178 on: August 22, 2013, 12:19:45 AM »

i gave this record a 1 but I really love Sail On Sailor. That song is one of The Boys' greatest accomplishments.
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« Reply #179 on: August 22, 2013, 07:14:45 AM »

i gave this record a 1 but I really love Sail On Sailor. That song is one of The Boys' greatest accomplishments.
What? A one?
Have you listened to this whole album? It's one of the most creative output the band has ever released and one of the last great albums! Track by track, there's something here for everyone. If you've only listened a couple of times, perhaps it grows on you? All I know is that the beach boys accomplish something amazing without that much help from Brian…please don't ream me for saying that, but with Brian only involved in the writing of the first and last songs and the EP, it seems the rest of the guys took up the gauntlet on this one.
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« Reply #180 on: August 22, 2013, 04:37:59 PM »

i gave this record a 1 but I really love Sail On Sailor. That song is one of The Boys' greatest accomplishments.
What? A one?
Have you listened to this whole album? It's one of the most creative output the band has ever released and one of the last great albums! Track by track, there's something here for everyone. If you've only listened a couple of times, perhaps it grows on you? All I know is that the beach boys accomplish something amazing without that much help from Brian…please don't ream me for saying that, but with Brian only involved in the writing of the first and last songs and the EP, it seems the rest of the guys took up the gauntlet on this one.

I just don't like the self conscious roots rock style they adopted with Ricky and Blondie... I also find the songwriting very lacking both on this album and CATP... some of the songs, particularly those by Dennis and Blondie, are absolutely dreadful. The terrible tag on Only With You always makes me crack up "All I want to do - OOOO is spend my life with you - OOOO." Dennis wrote some great songs from 1968-1969 but, who knows, Daryl Dragon must have corrupted him into writing absolute pap. Only With You, Barbara, and Make It Good are some of the worst songs I've ever heard, lyrically and musically,and they all came from Dennis during this period.
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« Reply #181 on: August 23, 2013, 05:13:12 PM »

it just needed to be done.

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« Reply #182 on: August 24, 2013, 12:41:07 PM »

I think "Steamboat" is pretty cool. Dennis should've written more songs like that and "Celebrate The News".
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« Reply #183 on: August 31, 2013, 10:36:07 PM »

I find this album to be slightly overrated. Still great but admittedly I prefer "Carl and the Passions".
"Sail on Sailor" is the standout, one of the best tracks off this album. "Steamboat" is pretty good, although it can get a bit boring.
The California saga could have been a lot better, especially "Big Sur". I prefer the "Landlocked" version of "Big Sur".
After that the album goes up with "The Trader". The next three tracks are also pretty good, especially "Leaving this Town".
"Mount Vernon and Fairway" is a bit too silly in my opinion, but still highly interesting. Love Jack Rieley's narration!
Overall, I give this album a 3.5 out of 5. The album is a near-classic, no doubt about that. But if they gave this album a little bit more time and work on it, better production, make it less boring, replace "Big Sur" with the "Landlocked" version, and add "We Got Love", "Hard Times" and possibly "Carry Me Home", the album would have been one of the best the Beach Boys ever made. Oh well...
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« Reply #184 on: October 16, 2013, 02:14:19 AM »

Definetely in my top-5 all time favorite albums ever. Maybe in top-3 even. This could have been their
best album, easily, if they'd just chosen the album tracks more wisely. Such a shame they left off stuff like
Carry me home, Hard times and We got love. Those should've been on this record. I love the sound and
production of this album, just perfect.

Sail on sailor: 4/5
Perfect opener. Blondie's vocals are awesome, lyrics are good. I love the sound of the whole thing,
nothing they ever made before or after sounds the same. It's so unique.

Steambot: 3/5
Dullest track of the album. I hated it first. Only Dennis track I haven't liked straight on from first listen.
And it kinda kills the flow right after Sail on sailor. This should've been moved somewhere else in my opinion.
Not a bad song though.

Big sur: 4/5
Best thing Mike ever wrote, that's enough said.

Beaks of eagles: 3/5
Spoken parts are bit dull. But I still love it. And this really makes the last part "California" for what it
is, one of the best "fun songs" ever. But it doesn't work so well if it's taken out of it's context, meaning the album.

California: 5/5
Like I just said, incredible! Best part is the opening and the first lines by Brian of course. But it isn't as
great if you listen it separately. Even though the single mix is better than the album one. This is just pure gold.

Trader: 4/5
Love this, maybe best Carl track after Long promised road. Not pefect, but not far away. Really, really great track.
 
Leaving this town: 4/5
That synth solo! And the fade-out with Mike is amazing. Classic.

Only with you: 4/5
I wish Dennis would've had the lead on this, even though I like Carl's vocals too. It just would've been a 5/5 song
with Dennis. Though the version he recorded later isn't as good as this one. It goes on for too long, the ending of this
version is a lot better.

Funky pretty: 5/5
Perfect end for an almost perfect album. I love every part of this, but especially the synths and all the weid sounds in
the background. It's just so funky!
 


Mount Vernon & Fairway: 5/5
Don't really think this as a piece of music, even though the music parts are fantastic. Once again: the synths!
So great. They did the right thing when they didn't put this on the album itself. It's perfect on its own. Oh and the Pied piper!
Makes me laugh every time :D

So for the album I give 4/5. Even though it's more like 4.6 or something. It just could have been better. But still I love it. It's the best album to
listen when you're depressed. It makes you feel a lot better.
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« Reply #185 on: February 20, 2014, 09:15:28 PM »

Holland is probably one of my favorite Beach Boys Albums. Sail On Sailor is one of the best songs they made in 1970s shame it wasn't a hit. Steamboat actually makes me feel like I'm on a steamboat, a great Dennis song. The California Saga is probably my favourite part of the album. Big Sur is beautiful and features Mike's best singing and lyrics. The Beaks of Eagles may not be everyone's cup of tea but I love it. I like how the minor key poem readings contrast with the major key choruses. And California is just a fun, country-like beach boys song which anyone can enjoy. I also love the flutes that connect each song. The Trader is probably Carl's best song and another highlight. Leaving This Town didn't catch on me at first but now I think it's great (That keyboard solo is awesome). Only with you is probably the only song where i think they could have done better after hearing the live version (I don't really like the you-oo bits). Funky Pretty  lives up to it's name (it does sounds like Mt. Vernon).

5/5. Great, enjoyable album. I don't think the Mt. Vernon should count as part of my score, It really isn't part of the album.
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« Reply #186 on: March 03, 2014, 04:16:01 PM »

Another Lp that attracted the hippie//stoner crowd..  This Lp + Surfs Up LP  went beyond the core BB audience .. This LP was VERY popular in its day.. Cover art OK ///  music 4/5  .. The only song here that  bothers me  is Fairytale  // Mt Vernon.. Yea I know im in the minority here.. BUT.. I like the back ground music a lot but the rest of it is a children's record which doesn't interest me one bit.. I find a full grown adult recording + writing this then throwing a fit when it wasn't going to be included on  the lp alarming.. The rest of the LP is very good and my only other criticism  is Steamboat a little to long for my taste..
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« Reply #187 on: March 03, 2014, 04:36:01 PM »

Another Lp that attracted the hippie//stoner crowd..  This Lp + Surfs Up LP  went beyond the core BB audience .. This LP was VERY popular in its day.. Cover art OK ///  music 4/5  .. The only song here that  bothers me  is Fairytale  // Mt Vernon.. Yea I know im in the minority here.. BUT.. I like the back ground music a lot but the rest of it is a children's record which doesn't interest me one bit.. I find a full grown adult recording + writing this then throwing a fit when it wasn't going to be included on  the lp alarming.. The rest of the LP is very good and my only other criticism  is Steamboat a little to long for my taste..
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« Reply #188 on: March 03, 2014, 05:06:20 PM »

Yea when they compiled the fairytale music and put it on the 93 box set I was overjoyed.. Great music.. Dare I say a little Smile ish..?  Maybe it reminds me of the music box Bicycle Rider refrain..?  I always wondered what Reprise reps said when Carl forced  the fairytale onto a separate bonus record.. And Brian must have been very fragile to write that ..  Which now makes me think of Child of Winter for some reason..
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« Reply #189 on: March 12, 2014, 05:34:55 AM »

1. Sail On, Sailor
2. The Trader
3. California Saga: Big Sur
4. Leaving This Town
5.. Funky Pretty
6. California Saga: California
7. Steamboat
8. Only With You
9. California Saga: The Beaks of Eagles
10. Mt. Vernon and Fairway (A Fairy Tale)
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« Reply #190 on: November 19, 2014, 04:11:39 AM »

1 Sail on Sailor
2 Trader
3 Leaving This Town
4 Carry Me Home
5 Only With You
6 Funky Pretty

7 Steamboat
8 Big sur
9 The Beaks of Eagles
10 California
11 We Got Love
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« Reply #191 on: November 30, 2014, 07:58:44 PM »

My wife and I have been together for a long, LONG time.  We only got officially married 3 years ago this coming February in Jamaica.  The three main songs played at our ceremony...

1.  The Wedding Song...Paul Stookey  Serenade
2.  Only With You...Beach Boys   Kiss
3.  Turn Your Lights Down Low...Bob Marley Cool Guy

So Holland is a pretty important album for us...although Lucy like Dennis's version on Pacific Ocean Blue a lot as well. Pirate
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« Reply #192 on: February 02, 2015, 10:34:47 PM »

This sounds like a much more natural and worthy follow-up from Sunflower than Surfs Up. I haven't heard CATP:ST. It has that same cohesive flow of sounds and ideas. It's the perfect blend of gritty 70s sound and the old 60s harmonies, of progressive ideas and throwbacks to their noble roots. It also just plain sounds good. Definitely their best '70s release by far.

The best track is Sail on Sailor, which is probably the best song the band made in the 70s, and what I would most imagine a hit single from the band in the new decade to sound like. The worst is Only With You, which is so monotonous it put me to sleep and so syrupy sweet it could cause diabetes.

I love the cover art. Along with Smiley, Wild Honey and SMiLE it's probably the best to ever grace a Beach Boys cover.

Now, regarding the EP... What the actual fuc|< did I just listen to? I mean, it's not bad...But it's certainly not good either. I do love what Brian was trying to do, but it's all so weird and flawed in its execution that it's hard to really enjoy. It's too bizarre and, kinda boring, to be funny. There's something vaguely creepy about it that keeps it from being serene or sweet. The story itself is nonsensical and meandering which keeps it from being compelling or imagination-inspiring. I really do appreciate the general idea, but I agree that it could have greatly benefited from more work, a better writer collaborating on it, and perhaps more material to flesh it out into a truly satisfying story. I have mixed feelings about Jack Reilly's narration too. It has a warmth to it. Like your dad, or a soothing audio book reading you a bedtime story. But it's also pretty monotonous and unexpressive which keeps me from getting truly engaged with the whole thing. So, as it exists now, it's definitely a curio. A WTF recording to perplex yourself with or spring on your friends with no context to weird them out. But little more. I also felt a connection to SMiLE with this that others seemed to pick up on. In that sense, there's a whole other dimension of interest with this surreal recording.

Overall, I give the whole thing a 4. I wonder how the fairytale would have been if Brian stayed engaged throughout.
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« Reply #193 on: February 03, 2015, 01:40:41 AM »

Have you heard the music (edited) without the narration? Some people can take it better that way.
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« Reply #194 on: February 03, 2015, 09:34:43 AM »

Have you heard the music (edited) without the narration? Some people can take it better that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ0hrRM4B4Q

Sounds very nice, but very unfinished and bare in that context.

I just wish the concept had been fleshed out properly back in the day. Very ironic and maddening that the band was so dismissive of Brian's last really creative idea for them, and caused him to completely lose interest in it, and the three years later they're dragging him into the studio out of greed and desperation, and gladly accepting the crap* he shovels out. Really really sad story. Almost poetic justice in a way, except that we the listeners got cheated out of some really great music (a fully realized musical fairy tale and another great collaboration album in '76)

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« Reply #195 on: April 16, 2015, 10:49:22 AM »

After some of the missteps of CATPST, the new Beach Boys lineup hit the ground running with this 70s classic - a FIVE. 

The album kicks off with the excellent Sail On Sailor. 

Then, you have the mini-epic, Steamboat.  Carl brings more great vocals on a wonderful Dennis song. 

Next is perhaps Mike Love's finest hour - the three part California Saga.  On this song, The Beach Boys found their 1970s sound.  Its a shame they didn't stick with it.

The Trader is another good Carl song.

Leaving This Town is one of the most underrated songs in the history of TBB.   It almost sounds like the music Pink Floyd was doing at the time.

Only With You, another beautiful Dennis song.

The album closes with Funky Pretty, a fun song. 

If not for Endless Summer, we might've got more albums like this.  Sadly, that's not the case, and quality control went down the tubes pretty quickly.  It would be almost 40 years before The Beach Boys put out an album this good (no offense, Love You fans). 

PS------When I rate this album, I don't include the Mt. Vernon Fairytale.  Quite frankly, I'm glad its a separate EP.  Just my opinion, but I don't think its one of Brian Wilson's finer moments, and completely doesn't fit with Holland at all.  I know a lot of people here like this EP, but I'm not a fan. 
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« Reply #196 on: September 25, 2015, 09:45:31 AM »

1. Sail On Sailor 5/5
2. Steamboat 4/5
3. Big Sur 5/5
4. Beaks Of Eagles 5/5
5. California 4/5
6. Leaving This Town 5/5
7. Only With You 4/5
8. Funky Pretty 4/5
9. Mt. Vernon And Fairway 5/5

The last truly great album from The 'Boys.
Easily 5/5.
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« Reply #197 on: September 25, 2015, 09:48:20 AM »

1. Sail On Sailor 5/5
2. Steamboat 4/5
3. Big Sur 5/5
4. Beaks Of Eagles 5/5
5. California 4/5
6. Leaving This Town 5/5
7. Only With You 4/5
8. Funky Pretty 4/5
9. Mt. Vernon And Fairway 5/5

The last truly great album from The 'Boys.
Easily 5/5.

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« Reply #198 on: March 26, 2016, 09:57:22 AM »

Their second best album after Pet Sounds, lots of atmosphere on tracks like Steamboat and The Trader.
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« Reply #199 on: May 07, 2016, 03:06:42 PM »

This is such a strong album, mostly minus Brian, it kind of boggles the mind that they couldn't continue to make quality albums like this. All of the guys were writing, and it's nice to hear Mike able to do something other than sun/fun/cars/girls lyrics. I would call this the best group oriented effort after Sunflower.
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