Last known pictures of Dennis and Carl

[phirnis]

Check out the official video to the boys' rendition of California Dreamin' from around that time. The look in Brian's eyes is almost completely identical to the one visible in the picture on the back side of Holland. He looks every bit as troubled and paranoid.

[Jason]

If we're talking last known pictures of Dennis, I can think of the video footage from Costa Mesa, CA in August of '83, some of which was used in An American Band. Of course there's most likely later stuff, but who knows?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Funny that no one has come up with a very late photo of Carl yet.

I believe this is quite late, but am not sure

They played North Myrtle Beach HOB June 30th-July 2nd 1997. Carl's last show was a day under 4 weeks after that.

[Jason]

They must have been playing God Only Knows in that picture. If I remember correctly during all of the 1997 tour that Carl participated in, he sat on a stool for the whole of every show but stood up for God Only Knows.

[Steve Mayo]

They must have been playing God Only Knows in that picture. If I remember correctly during all of the 1997 tour that Carl participated in, he sat on a stool for the whole of every show but stood up for God Only Knows.

that's exactly what went on at the beachago show i saw in columbus, oh on last of may, 1997.

[Emdeeh]

If I remember correctly during all of the 1997 tour that Carl participated in, he sat on a stool for the whole of every show but stood up for God Only Knows.

The last time I saw Carl, at the Raleigh concert on June 13, 1997, he was using the stool, but also standing for much of the show as well. I suspect it got harder for him to stand as the water retention effects of the steroids increased.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

But something's so very wrong.  I can't explain it.  What the hell was Landy prescribing him?

I'd say it's the eyes. On that second picture he's got that wild eyed look that people usually have when they're on speed or XTC (not saying that he was, of course).

Supposedly Brian was given speed in addition to all of the meds during the second Landy period.

[Jay]

It's rumored that Carl showed up to a beach boys concert a couple weeks before he died. He was totally bald. But he supposedly mentioned to the group that he would join them soon for a few gigs. I'm kind of glad that no pictures of that have turned up, if they even exist.

[MBE]

I never heard that one. I know Mike told Carl that he shouldn't tour until he was feeling better.

[crabsurf]

This image was taken at the Concord Pavilion on August 2, 1997.  From what I remember Carl sat on a stool for the entire show and stood only when he took his lead on God Only Knows.  After that song Mike made a comment about Carl having cancer and not feeling well.





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[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

My God that is a sad pic...

[MBE]

I wonder why Carl looked so bloated. My grandfather get real thin with chemo.

[jeremylr]

Thanks for bringing this topic up again.  I'm a newer member of the board.  This is one of those threads where we're discussing several themes, but going back to the 2 Corbis pics posted by Bean Bag, would those pics have been taken in the mid 1980s?  I"m not so well-versed on Brian's appearance during that decade.  I didn't realize Brian lost that much weight.  It was downright scary to look at.

I wonder what a slideshow would look like if it had pics of Brian say every couple of months from the mid '70s through the '80s.  Pretty jarring probably.

[Jason]

Look at the Washington DC or Long Beach, CA footage from '81 and compare it to anything from 1976 onward (even 1980, when he really began to spiral out of control) if you wanna be shocked with Brian. He would lay claim to his highest weight being around 311 pounds in 1984 on The Tonight Show (Joan Rivers guested as the host), but he was at his all-time worst in mid-1981 until his kidnapping. I would say he was more than 311 pounds. I think in one of the books it mentioned Brian being around 340 pounds.

[MBE]

Only the Gold book said 340. Besides What's 20-30  pounds when you are that heavy. Those pics of Brian were 1986 I think.

Here is a brief guide to help you through 1996 or so.
1962 or before he is very skinny
1963 Still not overweight but bigger. Has his hair combed forward.
1964 Slightly overweight but not too bad. Hair not combed forward
1965 He wore his hair back and forward still fairly short. A little more overweight but not a huge gut yet
1966-69 Longer hair sometimes with a gut sometimes trimmed down. Looks like he did on Pet Sounds Or Stack O Tracks. Big sideburns around the time of Smile. Beard in the summer of 67
1970 Actually lost some weight pretty long hair. Looked good
1971 Very long hair still not obese but a little heavier again. Not disheveled yet.
1972- early 73 Hair still long a little more out of it looking then before. Heavier but no beard, first real signs of decline
1974-5 Very big with beard
1976 Started off huge lost weight over the year until back to about 1971 weight. Beard
1977 Kept losing weight through the summer pretty this by mid year. Already gaining back a little by the fall but not big. Beard
1978 Looks kind of like he did in 1976 Got fairly big by the summer but only semi paunchy most of year. Beard
1979 Thinner until end of the year beard very bushy. A bit unkempt again. By end of year has gotten big again.
1980 Pretty overweight Almost as bad as 1974-5. No beard during June.  More wrinkles older looking.
1981-82 huge worse then ever, untrimmed beard, long nails.
1983 Started huge but got pretty thin by summer Some grey showing in beard. Actually looks pretty good
1984-early 85. Still with the beard eyes starting to look more haunted but not too bad.
1985-87 Semi bang very thin starting to show some signs of damage in his gait or eyes no beard
1988-90 Thin hair swept back really looking bulgier in the eyes.
1991-2 Putting on weight a lot older looking
1993-95 Fairly overweight but not too bad except 1995. Side burns
Since 1996 he has aged but looks almost the same. Teeth weirdly white since 2005 more grey since then too. Sometimes with a gut sometimes fairly fit. Very haunted eyes.

[Mr. Cohen]

 That's crazy, MBE. I think we should all make lists like that about ourselves. It could give us some perspective. I'll start at age 16.

2004 - A little chubby but he was losing weight. His hair was usually short, with bangs. He had a goatee for a short time. His fingernails were regularly clipped. He still had some acne at this point.
2005 - Skinny, he had lost a lot of weight. His hair was longer, parted in the middle, almost down to his shoulders. His acne mostly clear. He got almost scarily skinny by end of year.
2006-2007 - He had shorter hair with bangs. Still skinny. He had no acne by this point. Stopped regularly cutting his fingernails around this period (so you can tell it was a dark time).
2008 - Back to a more healthy weight. He washed his hair less. His hair was still short with bangs, but starting to get longer. Grew a short beard a few times and experimented with various facial hair configurations.
2009 - Hair was longer again, but he still washed his hair less, makes it look healthier, he must've thought. His bangs are below his eyes, so he combed his hair forward but to the right, kind of a hipster look. Had a goatee and mustache. Fingernails still irregularly clipped.  Still a healthy weight. Part-time fast food job caused a few returns of acne.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

That's crazy, MBE. I think we should all make lists like that about ourselves. It could give us some perspective. I'll start at age 16.

2004 - A little chubby but he was losing weight. His hair was usually short, with bangs. He had a goatee for a short time. His fingernails were regularly clipped. He still had some acne at this point.
2005 - Skinny, he had lost a lot of weight. His hair was longer, parted in the middle, almost down to his shoulders. His acne mostly clear. He got almost scarily skinny by end of year.
2006-2007 - He had shorter hair with bangs. Still skinny. He had no acne by this point. Stopped regularly cutting his fingernails around this period (so you can tell it was a dark time).
2008 - Back to a more healthy weight. He washed his hair less. His hair was still short with bangs, but starting to get longer. Grew a short beard a few times and experimented with various facial hair configurations.
2009 - Hair was longer again, but he still washed his hair less, makes it look healthier, he must've thought. His bangs are below his eyes, so he combed his hair forward but to the right, kind of a hipster look. Had a goatee and mustache. Fingernails still irregularly clipped.  Still a healthy weight. Part-time fast food job caused a few returns of acne.

Sounds like a great thread for the sandbox...

[MBE]

That's crazy, MBE. I think we should all make lists like that about ourselves. It could give us some perspective. I'll start at age 16.

2004 - A little chubby but he was losing weight. His hair was usually short, with bangs. He had a goatee for a short time. His fingernails were regularly clipped. He still had some acne at this point.
2005 - Skinny, he had lost a lot of weight. His hair was longer, parted in the middle, almost down to his shoulders. His acne mostly clear. He got almost scarily skinny by end of year.
2006-2007 - He had shorter hair with bangs. Still skinny. He had no acne by this point. Stopped regularly cutting his fingernails around this period (so you can tell it was a dark time).
2008 - Back to a more healthy weight. He washed his hair less. His hair was still short with bangs, but starting to get longer. Grew a short beard a few times and experimented with various facial hair configurations.
2009 - Hair was longer again, but he still washed his hair less, makes it look healthier, he must've thought. His bangs are below his eyes, so he combed his hair forward but to the right, kind of a hipster look. Had a goatee and mustache. Fingernails still irregularly clipped.  Still a healthy weight. Part-time fast food job caused a few returns of acne.

Point taken it's a silly post, but I was only trying to help him date photos. Can the fact that I am on painkillers for an operation last week be an ok excuse?

[Mr. Cohen]

Point taken it's a silly post, but I was only trying to help him date photos. Can the fact that I am on painkillers for an operation last week be an ok excuse?

Hey, I liked the post, but it just shows how crazy we can get cataloging the life of Brian and the Beach Boys. I'm guilty of it too sometimes - the stains are on my hands too, so I'm not singling you out. It's more... what is it about the Beach Boys that makes us fanatics want to do that, to go to such obsessive lengths? I feel like there is a research paper wanting to be written or a documentary wanting to be made about it. You know, really getting into the psyche of the Beach Boys fandom. What makes 'em tick? Why do they do what they do? What are their lives like otherwise? Their childhoods? Like Andrew G. Doe, for example. What kind of inner satisfaction does he get as he gathers minutia about concert dates and studio sessions and meticulously organizes it for his site, Bellagio 10452? Does he feel like a zen monk tilling a Japanese rock garden while he catalogs all of the Beach Boys 1977 concert dates? Is it a response to the chaos in his personal life?  Is he obsessive compulsive in other areas of his life? (just kidding about those suppositions, by the way) There's so many questions to be asked. He would definitely be the first person I'd try to interview.

[Rocker]

Point taken it's a silly post, but I was only trying to help him date photos. Can the fact that I am on painkillers for an operation last week be an ok excuse?

Hope you're ok again !

[southbay]

Thanks for bringing this topic up again.  I'm a newer member of the board.  This is one of those threads where we're discussing several themes, but going back to the 2 Corbis pics posted by Bean Bag, would those pics have been taken in the mid 1980s?  I"m not so well-versed on Brian's appearance during that decade.  I didn't realize Brian lost that much weight.  It was downright scary to look at.

I wonder what a slideshow would look like if it had pics of Brian say every couple of months from the mid '70s through the '80s.  Pretty jarring probably.

The first picture of Brian and Carl is from the late 1986 video shoo tfor the "California Dreamin'" video.  The second is from early 1987 and the "Wipeout" video shoot.

[southbay]

This image was taken at the Concord Pavilion on August 2, 1997.  From what I remember Carl sat on a stool for the entire show and stood only when he took his lead on God Only Knows.  After that song Mike made a comment about Carl having cancer and not feeling well.

I saw the BB's the very next day in the LA area.  I had the opportunity to sit next to Carl for about 5 minutes. I remember being struck by his appearance, it really did not even look like him.  His ankles were extremely swollen and wrapped.  He looked and acted extremely tired.  He then went out and somehow performed as well as I had ever seen or heard from him.

[Wirestone]

Somewhat off topic, but a silly picture of BW from 05. He looks like someone's nutty grandma.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Like Andrew G. Doe, for example. What kind of inner satisfaction does he get as he gathers minutia about concert dates and studio sessions and meticulously organizes it for his site, Bellagio 10452? Does he feel like a zen monk tilling a Japanese rock garden while he catalogs all of the Beach Boys 1977 concert dates? Is it a response to the chaos in his personal life?  Is he obsessive compulsive in other areas of his life? (just kidding about those suppositions, by the way) There's so many questions to be asked. He would definitely be the first person I'd try to interview.

It's a quirk, albeit on a huge canvas. When I like something, I have this odd need to know as much about the subject as possible. The Beach Boys just pushed more buttons than most.

The satisfaction I get is that of accurately documenting Brian's life and work, if needs be demolishing long held myths in the process. Research R me. 

[adamghost]

I'm kind of the same way.