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Re: To make an album better
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June 24, 2007, 10:06:35 PM »
The Beach Boys are by far my favourite band of all time, and I rate them as better than The Beatles, but not everything they did was great. 'Take A Load..' was a B-side, 'Tears In The Morning' is too cheesy, 'He Come Down' is a mess etc. These are just my opinions, but they're jolly good ones. Even if you like these tracks, their were better ones remaining unreleased and i think they shoulda replaced 'em for sure, for the sake of the albums, and their image (what is gonna resonate more if an audience in the '70's, a song like '4th of July' about Vietnam, or a song about a guy called Pete taking care of his feet?).
I didn't think anyone liked 'Feet..' except Al Jardine haha!! The aforementioned Beatles were great, but that doesn't change the fact that 'Maxwell's Silver Hammer' sucks ass!
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I liked it. But really, I liked everything the BB did 1966-1976. I agree about Bruce's songs. I like them, but IMHO he was (and is) the weakest member of the group.
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I think what makes Bruce's songs work in the context of Sunflower and Surf's Up are what Brian added to them harmonically. His falsetto lines were excellent and they also had a flow with the rest of the material. Were there better songs in the vaults? Yes but I think that at least on Sunflower the flow as an LP is perfect.
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Good point, Mike. I think too if you take what everyone's said about Going Pubic, you can see what Bruce can do by himself, without Brian or anybody else helping reign in his suckiness.
Or so I hear. I've never heard it.
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Going 'Pubic'? Not THAT'S a typo!! I don't agree about TITM flowing with the rest of the material on Sunflower, I think it really jars.. Deirdre fits well, but 'Tears' seems out of place to me.
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Quote from: Det. Billy Castillo on June 24, 2007, 10:24:34 PM
Good point, Mike. I think too if you take what everyone's said about Going Pubic, you can see what Bruce can do by himself, without Brian or anybody else helping reign in his suckiness.
Or so I hear. I've never heard it.
It's a joke
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Quote from: thomasogg on June 24, 2007, 10:06:35 PM
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...a song like '4th of July' about Vietnam
... which isn't about Vietnam but the
New York Times
- according to Jack Rieley.
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Re: To make an album better
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June 25, 2007, 03:59:37 AM »
On Sunflower, I'd drop "Tears in the Morning" and replace it with "San Miguel."
On Surf's Up, I'd drop "Student Demonstration Time" and "Lookin' at Tomorrow" and replace them with "H.E.L.P. is on the Way" and "I Just Got My Pay."
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June 25, 2007, 04:23:05 AM »
I'd still ike to go for the Sunflower sprawling double LP, it could easily be done, it could have about 30 songs, it would be like the BB equivalent of the White Album, off the top of my head you could add
San Miguel
Soulful old man sunshine
I just got my Pay
When girls get together
Good time
Games two can play
Big Sur
Suzie Cincinatti
Sound of Free
Lady
Take a load of your feet
Loop de loop
Thats 12 songs already, i'm sure i've missed out a few. The others could be made up of more late 60s stuff - Breakaway, Cottonfields, We're together again, Walkin, over the waves etc. and/or wait a few extra months til the end of 1970 and get on stuff like My solution, Seasons in the sun, HELP is on its way etc..
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June 25, 2007, 11:56:47 AM »
I'm not sure of the value of removing tracks from this 69-73 period, but there's still plenty of room to add two or three to make these albums even better.
Later on, it becomes more problematical, although call me masochistic if you like, but I'd be happy with an all-oldies 15 Big Ones.
MIU is easy: don't release it, but save My Diane and Pitter Patter for LA, adding Santa Ana Winds, Lookin' Down the Coast and California Feelin', while dropping HCTN, Lady Lynda, Goin' South and Sumhama.
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June 25, 2007, 03:49:03 PM »
Ok, it might not be about Vietnam then, but it stick packs somewhat more relevance than an over-produced ditty about foot care no?
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I think Dennis had a penchant for over-producing, too, so I wouldn't use that particular criticism when trying to trade in his work for (in this case) Al's.
Admittedly "Feet" (which I quite like) is overly gimmicky in its production--something I think Al did far too much of throughout his production credits--but the song itself is nice in a harmless way. And 4th of July, like much of Dennis' stuff, is just too melodramatic for my taste.
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Who was the genius who put Cool Cool Water on the A side of the single and Forever on the B-side and expected to get radio play?
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Quote from: Mark Ess on June 25, 2007, 03:57:31 PM
Who was the genius who put Cool Cool Water on the A side of the single and Forever on the B-side and expected to get radio play?
Actually, I do wonder--who was it? Was that a label decision or the band's? I have read of course that L. Waronker loved CCW, so was it his?
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June 25, 2007, 04:16:12 PM »
I couldn't disagree more re Dennis' songs being either too melodramatic or over-produced. His productions were often surprisingly sparse i.e. Lady and, yes, 4th of July. But then if everyone felt the same there wouldn't be much point in sites like this...
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I think if you look to his C&TP tracks, you'll see what I mean. They sound the way marshmallows taste.
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June 25, 2007, 04:29:00 PM »
No way, I hate marshmallow and I love those tracks. I think they get the balance just right. What about the middle of 'Cuddle Up' when the whole thing dies down and there's just a lone piano, a few strings and the BBs 'oooohing' - absolutely beautiful! They're about the only tracks on CATP which are produced well in fact.. 'Need a Mess..' and 'All This is That' could've been even better had they been more carefully produced.
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June 26, 2007, 08:07:49 AM »
what's wierd about so tough is that we never hear the beach boys sound like that again. It's a totally new sound from dennis (what could have been his first solo album)...Mess of Help, Marcella, All this; is sooo fresh and new...I feel like when they went to holland, it was back to the Surf's Up era of producing...not that that's a bad thing
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Re: To make an album better
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That's true So Tough is really different from what came before and after. I think most of it works well. The song Brian wrote with Rieley are two of my favorites.
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Quote from: punkinhead on June 26, 2007, 08:07:49 AM
what's wierd about so tough is that we never hear the beach boys sound like that again. It's a totally new sound from dennis (what could have been his first solo album)...Mess of Help, Marcella, All this; is sooo fresh and new...I feel like when they went to holland, it was back to the Surf's Up era of producing...not that that's a bad thing
In a way that's true with tracks like 'Steam Boat' and 'California Sega'. But I think that songs like 'Sail On Sailor', 'Leaving this Town', 'Trader' and 'Funky Pretty' are a step beyond So Tough.
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