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« on: June 18, 2007, 06:27:29 AM »

Surfin' Safari:

1. Surfin' Safari           -  Mike
2. County Fair             -  Mike 1
3. Ten Little Indians    -  Mike
4. Chug-A-Lug            -  Mike
5. Little Girl (You're My Miss America) - Dennis
6. 409                         - Mike
7. Surfin'                      - Mike
8. Heads You Win - Tails I Lose - Mike
9. Summertime Blues  - Carl with David and Mike (bass vocal, last line of each verse)
10. Cuckoo Clock        - Brian
11. Moon Dawg          - Instrumental 2
12. The Shift              - Mike

Bonus Tracks:

13. Land Ahoy            - Mike
14. Cindy, Oh Cindy     - Brian


1 Features Andrea Carlo on the female spoken word part and Nik Venet as the "carnival barker".
2 Features Nik Venet doing the "howling!"



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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2007, 06:31:57 AM »

Here's the first installment of the thread which should hopefully serve as the definitive reference on Who Sang What?

There's not much debate to be had on Surfin' Safari, but hey, someone might have a question about it, you never know.

My only thoughts were that maybe Moon Dawg should perhaps be asterisked as having harmonies on it, and whether or not you could classify Dave's part on Summertime Blues as a lead vocal. Carl is definitely louder, and Dave's vocal is more of a harmony. It's pretty anonymous, as well. I put "with David" as a kind of middle-ground, but if anyone has an argument for against a "Carl" credit or a "Carl and David" credit, I'd be interested.

I really don't want to detract from Dave's contribution, so I'm torn.

When the debate's over, we'll do the "Surfin' USA" LP.
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2007, 08:14:41 AM »

My only adjustment might be to give Mike a credit as well on Summertime Blues for the low voice. Carl and Dave, with Mike.
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2007, 09:23:55 AM »

Yeah, I was thinking about that. I wasn't sure about songs where one line is sung though - like for instance, crediting Mike on "Pom Pom Playgirl" and stuff. Maybe we should see what the majority opinion is on that.
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2007, 10:28:10 AM »

I think we have to get more specific with who sings what as we move forward - who sings verse, chorus, and break, as those "lead" vocalists may all be different.  And then there are songs like I Know There's an Answer where there's two lead vocalists on the verses . . . so we'll have to get specific even about what lines are sung by whom (like in Add Some Music).
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2007, 10:35:43 AM »

Yeah, but there's nothing like that on Surfin' Safari. I intend to do that as we go on - I have a line-by-line breakdown of Smiley Smile's "Wind Chimes" and "She's Goin' Bald" for us to debate, stuff like that.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2007, 02:00:43 PM »

I think "County Fair" features Nik Venet as the "carnival barker"...  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2007, 02:34:02 PM »

wasn't nik venet also the barking on moon dawg? 
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2007, 03:39:54 PM »

It's just dawned on me - and this tells you much concerning my mental process these days - that I've already done something along these lines, to wit:

http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/albumarchive1.html

But I wouldn't claim it's definitive (and yes, I got the recording date of "Baker" wrong), and fully expect to revise it after reading this thread.
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2007, 06:28:34 AM »

A couple of good questions there; we'll asterisk those as "non-lead vocal" credits:

Okay:

So is it Venet doing the carnival barkers spiel? I've read somewhere [liner notes? AGD's book?] that it's Mike.

And who is barking on Moon Dawg? Is it Venet? Is it Derry Weaver?
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2007, 09:03:32 AM »

Having listened to "County Fair" again recently, I'm thinking the carnival barker might be Brian. The howls are Venet, or so I was told many moons ago.
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2007, 11:12:07 AM »

I'm thinking that the carnival barker is neither Mike nor Brian; it doesn't sound like a Beach Boy to me, not even one doing a funny voice. Surely David Marks will be able to answer this question?
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2007, 11:45:52 AM »

The girl (Andrea Carlo, or whoever) says "oh, come on, Nicky". Of course, that's not undebatable evidence, but still...  Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2007, 11:47:57 AM »

So we're agreed - no-one knows !  Cool
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2007, 11:49:52 AM »

The girl (Andrea Carlo, or whoever) says "oh, come on, Nicky". Of course, that's not undebatable evidence, but still...  Smiley

Wouldn't "Nicky" be the boyfriend, not the barker? That said, I think it's probably Nik Venet.
I'm holding out for David's opinion...:D
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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2007, 09:59:44 PM »

Of course Murray was always barking at his boys, maybe they cought it on tape and put it on Moon Dawg.  Grin
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2007, 03:09:45 PM »

Carrie Marks answered.
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Hope that helps...

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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2007, 04:14:42 AM »

Yep. I'll edit the first post now, adding that info.

Anything else before I do SURFIN' USA?
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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2007, 04:47:19 AM »

Can't see much, if any controversy here, but still...
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2007, 05:04:54 AM »

What about harmonies? If this is going to become the ultimate definitive vocals thread, why not include all vocalists? At this point this wouldn't be quite interesting (just Brian, Carl, Mike and Dennis), but already on the next album Alan has rejoined the band. Personally, I would like to know on which songs he contributed, or on which songs Dennis preferred to stay on the beach. Later on when it gets unclear when the distinction between lead and backing vocals get a bit blurred (ie. 'Time to get alone' or the earlier mentioned 'I know there's an answer'), it would take some more elaborate explaining.
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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2007, 05:33:37 AM »

The plan is to asterisk anything that isn't a lead vocal but is prominent on the song nevertheless, like Bruce's chorus falsetto on "The Girl From New York City". Otherwise, including all vocalists is a bit too much, not really something I've seen come up and frankly I'll be happy if stuff like "Hawaii" NOT being credited to Dennis is settled once and for all.

Also, the harmonies are impossible to tell - like for instance Steve Desper says he sings on most of the things he recorded. Who else is there? Which songs were they? The backing vocals question isn't generally that important when people still think "Girl Don't Tell Me" is Carl's first lead.
I Know There's An Answer isn't that elaborate:

Mike and Alan [verses; Mike first line only]; Brian [choruses]. Done. The Smiley Smile stuff is much more elaborate - I have a line-by-line thing for debate when we get there of a couple of songs!
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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2007, 05:59:35 AM »

That's cool. I'm hoping for lots of asterisks, then!
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2007, 12:29:05 PM »

Call me nuts, but Hawaii has always sounded more like Dennis to me. I know who the liner notes credit. But it still sounds more like Dennis.
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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2007, 12:31:13 PM »

I thought it was Dennis too, for the logest time, but it's Mike, with a head cold.
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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2007, 12:52:32 PM »

Call me nuts, but Hawaii has always sounded more like Dennis to me. I know who the liner notes credit. But it still sounds more like Dennis.

It's Mike.
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