Rolling Stone's Axl Rose piece

[the captain]

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/9155514

"People are gonna hear music this year."

Does it still matter? Did it ever matter? Will I lose my bet that said JD Salinger's Hapworth book would come out before Chinese Democracy?

[DavidLeeRoth]

If it came out I think it would make a difference.  There aren't many rock stars the world cares about anymore, but Axl is still held up to God like status especially at Rolling Stone.  Axl is the second best song writer in the band behind Izzy Stradlin so if the bands line-up is great and he's had all this time to write great songs there's no reason why this album shouldn't be amazing.  I was scheduled to see him the show after the Philly riot last time and if he would tour...well I'd be there.

DLR

[Beckner]

I'm a huge fan of "Appetite" and "Appetite" only, the rest of GNR is by and large misguided pomp and pisswind. (I think I just coined "pisswind" but that's precisely what it is.)

I will however check out "Chinese Democracy" if it ever drops and consider checking out a tour, if that ever happens.

[the captain]

First of all, pisswind is the greatest word I've read in a long, long time, and I congratulate you on your invention!

I'm in the same boat, though, regarding the album: I don't really think it will be worth a damn, and haven't cared (musically) a bit what happens to GnR since I was about 16 years old...but I'll buy Chinese Democracy on curiosity alone.

[DavidLeeRoth]

I find it hard to believe ANYONE didn't enjoy the acoustic side of Lies.  UYI were overblown, but I still like'em.

DLR

[the captain]

I find it hard to believe ANYONE didn't enjoy the acoustic side of Lies. 

How about the thousands (or millions?) of people insulted by the lyrics? Do you find it hard to believe they didn't like it?

[I. Spaceman]

f*** 'em if they can't take a joke.

[Boxer Monkey]

So wouldn't releasing another G'n'R album just be more pissing into the, um, pisswind?

[Beckner]

yeah, but winds change sometimes.

[Boxer Monkey]

I still prefer to be upwind of the whole G'n'R trip.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

The only GnR'ers worth a damn currently have Scott Weiland as their vocalist as Velvet Revolver, which is a *huge* step up the evolutionary ladder.

Will I lose my bet that said JD Salinger's Hapworth book would come out before Chinese Democracy?

F*ck that! SMiLE came out and  Pink Floyd played together again, and Chinese Democracy still hasn't come out.

[the captain]

foda 'em if they can't take a joke.

I'm not arguing that. I just said it seems easy to believe that they didn't like it.

[the captain]

The only GnR'ers worth a damn currently have Scott Weiland as their vocalist as Velvet Revolver, which is a *huge* step up the evolutionary ladder.

Will I lose my bet that said JD Salinger's Hapworth book would come out before Chinese Democracy?

F*ck that! SMiLE came out and  Pink Floyd played together again, and Chinese Democracy still hasn't come out.

I don't see what Smile and Pink Floyd have to do with me (maybe) losing my bet.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Nothing, just made me realize  how long that blasted thing has been discussed. I mean, SMiLE came out, and Axl still can't get his sh*t together?! That's just weak. Axl seriously needs to give it up. Nobody cares anymore.

[the captain]

Nobody cares anymore.

It continues being written about, so somebody must. Hell, I admit that I do, and I don't even think there's more than about a 1% chance I'm going to like it. My tastes having changed in the past decade or two, I don't even like most of the GnR I liked when it came out the first time. But I admit I'm still curious about it.

[Beckner]

The only GnR'ers worth a damn currently have Scott Weiland as their vocalist as Velvet Revolver, which is a *huge* step up the evolutionary ladder.

Two things need to happen for VR to be truly great: The band needs to let Weiland a) write songs and b) shoot up.

[Daniel S.]

The songs Axl did (for that Arnold Schwarnegger movie "End Of Days) with the new Gn'R sucked hard. Sounded like bad Trent Reznor, sort of like merdaty techno and a lot of screaming. I have no doubt that this Chinese Democracy album is total garbage. I read in the New York Times that 11 million dollars have been spent making the album over a ten year period.

[Old Rake]

Plus: if it does come out, who the hell are his band anymore? Buckethead: bye bye. Tommy Stinson: bye bye, he's with the reformed Soul Asylum. What, a drummer? Is that what's left? A drummer, some dodgy fake cornrows to mask a bald head, some creepy plastic surgery, and people still care?

Meh. And I was one of the biggeset GnR fans I know. I agree: the best GnR related band has Weiland for their singer. Their NEXT album will undoubtedly be righteous. The last one was pretty righteous, but lacked hooks. I see some minor greatness in their future.

Granted, "Illusion" had plenty of pisswind, but it was still a great, ambitious f-ing record. Lies was almost perfect, really, and I really like the Spaghetti Incident as well.

[DavidLeeRoth]

Velvet Revolver is a joke and the only good thing Weiland ever did (besides being arrested) was Tiny Music.

DLR

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

What?! Please tell me your joking.

And don't *even* get me started on David Lee Roth and what he has "accomplished".

[I. Spaceman]

Weiland's solo album was brilliant.
But so was ALL of DLR's work with Van Halen.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Yes, on both counts.

I was referring to DLR's solo career, and his brief reunion with VH.

[I. Spaceman]

 

[Beckner]

Weiland's solo album was brilliant.

I agree. And I doubly agree that VR just needs hooks-- most of the music of that album was finished before they brought in Weiland.

[I. Spaceman]

Including the vocal parts and melodies?
Because that's how the first albums by Pearl Jam and Garbage were done as well, and those vocalists sure brought the hooks to the table.
I think Weiland needs drugs, as you noted before.