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Author Topic: SMiLE -- "Inside Pop" material -- it still EXISTS?!?!?!  (Read 711 times)
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« on: April 03, 2025, 12:57:02 AM »


Just listened to Sean and Lisa's podcast, "Tune X."   On this, their 25th podcast, David Leaf is the guest, talking about his new book of course. It's really great.   They ask David a lot of great questions, and it's always just fun listening to those two talk.  At some point they briefly discuss Brian's appearance on "Inside Pop", and, get this, David just casually mentions, "yeah, that material still exists, in the hands of someone who is not giving it up."  

WHAT THE F***!?!?!?!?!?

But that's all I can report, because they just go on like something MONUMENTAL wasn't just said!

The Holy Grail of SMiLE still exists!?!?!

The material we've all been dying to see!!!  Hoping it would bring new SMiLE material to light!?  Hoping it will give us clues as to what SMiLE may have looked like back in '66!?  Perhaps giving us an insight as to why SMiLE was shelved!?

One of us has to win the lottery so that we can buy this material from this "guy"!!!!


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PS -- And, so, if David Leaf knows about this, then Linett, Boyd, and all, must know about it too!  How in the world could they have kept this secret for so long?!  (Or am I the last one to learn about it?!)


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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2025, 01:41:15 AM »

See, THIS is what I was talking about when I said on the other thread: "I kinda feel like we're long overdue for some kind of game-changing Smile tidbit..."

Of course the hope is that some genuinely lost piece of Smile ( e.g., full or partial versions of CIFOTM or IIGS or H&V or whatever) was captured by Oppenheim and his crew.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2025, 08:08:33 AM »

Hi Dan,

a few years back the shot list of those reels was posted here. This list has been borrowed from a post by Guitarfool:

84
9. Let's work on microphone
boys around mike
Do wa


85 Brian at piano working out
Yodelledo
then group sings at mike


86 Group around mike Yodelledo
Playback Yodelledoo's control in b.g.
Inside control room Group & Engineer Da daum(?)
Go out into studio Brian eating cereal record da da da


Beach Boys


86

1. around mike Yodeladeeo pan to Piano
Brian walks out frame(?) to outside booth playback
walks to control board

2. Brian talking Huh?? (bad pa toheps) to engineer
3. dark 4/s listening to playback
Brian goes to Huh?? (sirke?!) eats, put on headphones
sing dine dine

Scratch

87
1. control board thru window track on(?)
dine dine
Let's go have some Zen accompaniment
2. Brian at piano from behind
plays chords


87
engineer thru glass to group in(?) b.g. record da da
group comes back into room & listens to da da da
let's go lets have some zen compliment

Brian at piano from behind accomp. to Surf's up
to hands to face CL around to x & back to CL


88 Brian eating
headphones listening to piano track
sings lead on(?) thru piano
1 more time
--> tone(?) & start again side view CL
-> start at 2nd verse hung velvet
misses the glass
pickup hung velvet stop at dove nested
have echo on me
pickup again at hung velvet


89 Overdubs
hung velvet lead on(?) HuhHuh?? (jumoles?!?!) -- let's overdub
it
move to CR side (?).s. 11(?) more around behind
move around to face CL he gestures
he talks while voice go(?)

mono mix - Id like it softer
let's go to top is that cool

LS CL overdub
LS hung velvet out sync
LS thru control room
2nd shot n.g.(?)
needle
recorder pan to engineer back to recorder


90
--> playback engineers bg Wilson fig.
fade in(?)
kneels -- can have muted trumpet go bleep(?)
move to us(?) half of Jules
Brian coat on walks out
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2025, 02:28:46 PM »

All credit and major kudos to Dan Lega - Those are Dan's original transcriptions of notes taken from David Oppenheim's "Inside Pop" archives, which I believe Dan accessed at the NYU library where Oppenheim's archives are located, and the info which really heated up discussions on the lost Inside Pop footage searches back in the day.

This was probably 20 years ago and I think I saved those posts from either the old Smile Shop or another defunct forum, so maybe Dan himself can chime in with more details of how he got those notes.

One item I did not see in those notes was the footage of Murry Wilson diving into a swimming pool, which Michael Vosse said was filmed by Oppenheim's CBS News crew, unless it was on another camera sheet that Dan did not get in the collection.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2025, 06:23:14 AM »

That is correct!  I wrote that out and posted to this board!

But I do have to say I was not the one who "found" them.  Another researcher, whose name I've unfortunately forgotten, please forgive me(!), found out through an online search where they were located.  (I believe the researcher lived in Europe?)  It so happened that at that time I worked in NYU's Bobst Library!  So I was able to go up to the special collection they were in and look through the folder and transcribe it as best I could.  (At one point there was legend that would tell you what all the brackets and parentheses and other things meant -- meaning some things I couldn't make out and was guessing at, and other were explanations of abbreviations, or possible guesses as to what was being referenced.)

As to the pool scene... someone reposted the list at the Endless Harmony board, too, and I thought I saw that the last reel said something about the Boys in the pool (swimming toward camera, I believe.)  I'd have to go over there and check to see for sure.


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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2025, 06:34:11 AM »

Yeah, at Endless Harmony their last entry is different from the one you copied.  It apparently said, "Pool" and "bodies toward camera."

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90

1. Brian listening

Stretching

2. Brian HuhHuh? (putting on vocal leads?Huh)



Pool [presumably the footage of the band, and Murry, shot Brian's pool at Laurel Way]



Bodies toward camera


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But that's weird.  How can their Reel #90 be completely different than your Reel #90?!
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2025, 06:45:36 AM »


Yeah, theirs is different in more ways than one.  This one starts off with reel #75.  So you're also missing the part about them singing "open country" -- almost certainly from "Great Shape!"


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75 (signifying Reel #75)

1. hands to face CR angle

can't see hands pan to hands in dark

child Is the Father of man

2. Heroes & Villains plays

Vandyke Parks has been working on lyrics

sings open country song [as per "I'm In Great Shape"]

Sunshine



76 Surf's up cu (or cw? or au?) CR

-> takes guts to catch wave

can visualize intervals on piano



77 x piano Surf's Up

PB

Surf's up candelabra shot CL



78 Scratch 

Wilson & friends HuhHuh?





83

1. engineer

2. pan up to Brian

3. board

4. Boys singing who Ran The Iron Horse

(Above "who Ran" is the scratched out word "Hooray"

as if he wasn't sure what the words were.)

5. Wilson HuhHuh? (judging, foda?!?!)

6. Boys singing who Ran The Iron Horse

7. Do Wa Wa in circle

8. Wilson HuhHuh (shelving?!)



84 9. Let's work on microphone

boys around mike

Do wa



85 Brian at piano working out(?)

Yodelledo [yodelling version of "Wonderful", evidently]

then group sings at mike



86 Group around mike Yodelledo

Playback Yodelledoo's control in b.g.

Inside control room Group & Engineer Da daum(?) (La daum?)

Go out into studio Brian eating cereal record da da da da



86

1. around mike Yodeladeeo pan to Piano

Brian walks out frame(?) to outside booth playback

walks to control board

2. Brian talking Huh?? (bad pa toheps) to engineer

3. dark 4/s listening to playback

Brian goes to Huh?? (sirke?!) eats, put on headphones

sing dine dine ["doing doing" from "Cabin Essence"]

Scratch



87

1. control board thru window track on(?)

dine dine

Let's go have some Zen accompaniment

2. Brian at piano from behind

plays chords



87

engineer thru glass to group in(?) b.g. record da da

group comes back into room & listens to da da da

let's go lets have some zen compliment

Brian at piano from behind accomp. to Surf's up

to hands to face CL around to x & back to CL





88 Brian eating

headphones listening to piano track

sings lead on(?) thru piano

1 more time

--> tone(?) & start again side view CL

-> start at 2nd verse hung velvet

misses the glass

pickup hung velvet stop at dove nested

have echo on me

pickup again at hung velvet



R88

1. Brian eating sits at piano

2. lead on Brian e(?) earphone singing into mike

3. Brian at piano sings not(?) (nor?) sleeping(?!) (leeping?) pan across piano

Surf's up

Huh?? words to back top

& false starts

tone(?)

move to side start again - go to colonnaded ruins

"cut again to end verse"

false start, then humg velvet c moves to side ["c" is probably "camera"]

"missed it pickup 2nd verse"

'no I can't do it(?) - You have echo on me "Huh?? (julimp?!?!)

2nd verse again



89 Overdubs

hung velvet lead on(?) HuhHuh?? (jumoles?!?!) -- let's overdub

it

move to CR side (?).s. 11(?) more around behind

move around to face CL he gestures

he talks while voice go(?)

mono mix - Id like it softer

let's go to top is that cool

LS  CL overdub

LS hung velvet out sync

LS thru control room

2nd shot n.g. (?) [ng = no good]

needle

recorder pan to engineer back to recorder



89

1. head on "hung velvet PB

that's it let's overdub it

2. "Are you hearing yourself now?" words(?)

mix it so you can hear both voices Huh" (boy?) (tog? for together?)

Huh?? (pans?) back move around

"go to top" Take 1

3. LS piano are you sleeping

4. " " (ditto marks under "LS piano")

5. thru booth to Brian

6. needle

7. recorder spinning to engineer to recorder



90

--> playback engineers bg Wilson fig.

fade in(?)

kneels -- can have muted trumpet go bleep(?)

move to us(?) half of Jules [Jules Siegel]

Brian coat on walks out



90

1. Brian listening

Stretching

2. Brian HuhHuh? (putting on vocal leads?Huh)



Pool [presumably the footage of the band, and Murry, shot Brian's pool at Laurel Way]



Bodies toward camera
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2025, 08:39:49 AM »

That is correct!  I wrote that out and posted to this board!

But I do have to say I was not the one who "found" them.  Another researcher, whose name I've unfortunately forgotten, please forgive me(!), found out through an online search where they were located.  (I believe the researcher lived in Europe?) 


It may have been "Jasper" from Switzerland. I think he was involved with this. Nice guy. He was the admin for a german Beach Boys forum back then. Unfortunately I haven't heard from him for a long, long time. Hope he is doing alright.



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