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« on: September 05, 2022, 08:11:45 AM »

Deep into the Beach Boys 60th Anniversary Tour, Mike takes a moment to explain how he wrote Good Vibrations, and reveal that drugs have ruined Brian to the point he has had to cancel his shows....

https://mynorthwest.com/3616424/dori-the-beach-boys-at-60-how-procrastination-led-to-one-of-the-best-songs-of-all-time/
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2022, 08:50:57 AM »

I have always been a fan of Mike Love the Beach Boy.
But Mike Love the interviewee... on that, count me in the OldSurferDude camp.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2022, 08:56:13 AM »

He is 80 years old though Mike. You might want to also take that into account?
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2022, 09:58:02 AM »

Mike is a dick…
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2022, 10:30:51 AM »

Damn what a sad individual.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2022, 12:33:29 PM »

“He hurt himself so badly with drugs that he’s not capable of doing much. He goes out and sometimes tours, but recently canceled all his future dates. It’s sad, but between the heroin, LSD, and cocaine – they had an effect."

This is Mike Love at his worst...  talking out of his a$$ and taking gratuitous shots at cousin Brian.  I'd honestly be surprised if Brian has used heroin, LSD or cocaine at any time since approx. 1982.  So we're talking about at least 40 years ago.  And in the case of LSD perhaps even longer.  During the last 40 years, Brian has  had some periods of great creativity and productivity that obviously weren't prevented by past use of "heroin, LSD, and cocaine" and Love knows it.  This is just him putting Brian down and nothing more than that.
 
 Brian's mental issues are complex, and there are likely many, many factors at play: Brian's predisposition to anxiety/depression, paranoia-inducing effects of drugs that Love doesn't mention such as hashish, extreme overmedication of prescription anti-psychotic meds by Gene Landy.  Does ML account for any of that?  No, of course not. He simply rattles off the names of some illegal drugs that are socially unacceptable (in most circies) as a putdown.

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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2022, 12:49:48 PM »

That heroin and cocaine line was really kind of out of left field. He usually harps on the drug issue but always seems to focus on pot and acid. It's like he's deliberately trying to find a way out of any possible reunion.
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2022, 01:20:14 PM »

Yeah. I can REALLY see the effects drugs had on his spine. Cocaine , LSD, and heroin are well known for making someone turn 80 and require multiple back surgeries. Now excuse me, I’m about to do a hot rail off this knife so I can get arthritis and gout when I’m 96.

If I didn’t know any better, I’d swear Mike Love and Kreen were the same person 🙄
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2022, 03:31:41 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2022, 07:03:13 AM »

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***With all their success, Dori wondered, what’s the relationship now between Love and Brian Wilson? Do the two men talk?

“No,” Love said. “He hurt himself so badly with drugs that he’s not capable of doing much. He goes out and sometimes tours, but recently canceled all his future dates. It’s sad, but between the heroin, LSD, and cocaine – they had an effect.

“But if it was just he and I at a piano?” Love contemplated. “We love each other and experienced such great success. If it was just he and I at the piano? The DNA just kicks in, but the incursion of drugs came in, and that screwed things up quite a bit.”***


This is so ridiculous and over the top it's almost not worth a reply. Almost. The fact that we're reminded regularly of how "at peace" Mike is and has been through meditation and TM, how much he loves touring and playing live concerts for his fans, and how he feels he's carrying the torch for the Beach Boys through his activities leads this same contented, happy, wealthy man to once again make public statements as absurd as this one?

Mike for years - particularly in the wake of C50 ending - has been saying the same things. And they're as wrong now as they were in the past. He holds this image of him and Brian at a piano knocking out the hits like it was 1963 as some sort of Shangri-La, idealistic paradise he thinks can be recaptured. It borders on delusion. And maybe Mike doesn't know this, but Brian has been "clean" of those drugs for at least 40 years and actively touring and making music. It's just petty, mean-spirited talk from a guy who can't keep his mouth shut and has to belittle others to boost his own ego and profile.

In this case, would we consider what he said a lie? "Not capable of doing much" is pretty strong and very definitive...and if we look back at Brian's musical resume over the last 25 years, and his touring schedules, it pretty much shows Mike is as full of sh*t now as he was when he filed that lawsuit around 2005 saying all Brian did after 1967 was stay in bed and collect royalty checks.

There's something going on here, beyond just petty word wars. I'd think someone, maybe his wife-and-manager or some historian or writer somewhere, would tell Mike to shut the f*** up, this stuff isn't helping your image, it's not helping to put fans' asses in the seats at the venues he's playing, and overall it comes off as pathetic.

Why the guy can't just celebrate what he accomplished and all the people, tens of millions, he's made happy through the years with his music and lyrics is something I guess we'll never understand. I thought the days of Mike saying sh*t like this were over, but I guess he's still holding onto whatever hate or animosity he felt for decades.

Happy 60th, Beach Boys!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2022, 08:47:10 AM »

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***With all their success, Dori wondered, what’s the relationship now between Love and Brian Wilson? Do the two men talk?

“No,” Love said. “He hurt himself so badly with drugs that he’s not capable of doing much. He goes out and sometimes tours, but recently canceled all his future dates. It’s sad, but between the heroin, LSD, and cocaine – they had an effect.

“But if it was just he and I at a piano?” Love contemplated. “We love each other and experienced such great success. If it was just he and I at the piano? The DNA just kicks in, but the incursion of drugs came in, and that screwed things up quite a bit.”***


This is so ridiculous and over the top it's almost not worth a reply. Almost. The fact that we're reminded regularly of how "at peace" Mike is and has been through meditation and TM, how much he loves touring and playing live concerts for his fans, and how he feels he's carrying the torch for the Beach Boys through his activities leads this same contented, happy, wealthy man to once again make public statements as absurd as this one?

Mike for years - particularly in the wake of C50 ending - has been saying the same things. And they're as wrong now as they were in the past. He holds this image of him and Brian at a piano knocking out the hits like it was 1963 as some sort of Shangri-La, idealistic paradise he thinks can be recaptured. It borders on delusion. And maybe Mike doesn't know this, but Brian has been "clean" of those drugs for at least 40 years and actively touring and making music. It's just petty, mean-spirited talk from a guy who can't keep his mouth shut and has to belittle others to boost his own ego and profile.

In this case, would we consider what he said a lie? "Not capable of doing much" is pretty strong and very definitive...and if we look back at Brian's musical resume over the last 25 years, and his touring schedules, it pretty much shows Mike is as full of sh*t now as he was when he filed that lawsuit around 2005 saying all Brian did after 1967 was stay in bed and collect royalty checks.

There's something going on here, beyond just petty word wars. I'd think someone, maybe his wife-and-manager or some historian or writer somewhere, would tell Mike to shut the f*** up, this stuff isn't helping your image, it's not helping to put fans' asses in the seats at the venues he's playing, and overall it comes off as pathetic.

Why the guy can't just celebrate what he accomplished and all the people, tens of millions, he's made happy through the years with his music and lyrics is something I guess we'll never understand. I thought the days of Mike saying sh*t like this were over, but I guess he's still holding onto whatever hate or animosity he felt for decades.

Happy 60th, Beach Boys!  Roll Eyes

You perfectly summed up my thoughts here. But I'd also like to add a few thoughts:

1. "this stuff isn't helping your image" - I really thought Mike got this memo a couple years ago, because it has been a couple years (I think) since this type of talk has come from him. It seemed clear to me that Mike was either told to stop, or he grew up and decided to not take potshots at his cousin anymore. But clearly there is something there gnawing away at Mike, something on the inside of him that he needs to release every now and then. It's like he can't not say something negative about his cousin - clearly there is something in him that is bugging him about Brian or Melinda.

2. "In this case, would we consider what he said a lie? "Not capable of doing much" is pretty strong and very definitive...and if we look back at Brian's musical resume over the last 25 years, and his touring schedules, it pretty much shows Mike is as full of sh*t now as he was when he filed that lawsuit around 2005 saying all Brian did after 1967 was stay in bed and collect royalty checks." This is what I don't get about people who defend Mike to their dying breath - how do you account for this overly blatant deceit?

And more to that point, Mike is perpetuating the myth that Brian is a vegetable - someone who is incapable of doing anything on his own. I will never forget Casey Hardmeyer's lambasting of Brian's life/career in his NPP review. It was disgusting to read, and yet I almost don't blame people for believing that crap because people like Mike continue to push the lie.

I go from being enraged by Mike's words to feeling sadness - I am enraged because it is a complete lie that Brian isn't capable of doing much. Yet I am also saddened that Mike can not only privately hold these beliefs but he shares them publicly to the world...I feel bad for both the world who has to hear this drivel and for Mike for actually believing it.

Brian has had an INCREDIBLE redemption story, and yet the only thing Mike focusses on are Brian's pitfalls - the negative stuff. Mike seems to never acknowledge that Brian got away from drugs, that he started making music again, that he toured a heck of a lot on his own. Mike solely focusses on "Brian's gained weight" or "Brian used street drugs" or "Brian now uses prescription drugs" and he rarely (if ever) praises Brian for the past couple of decades of success.

If I had a family member who FORTY years ago struggled with addiction, and then he turned his life around and he was living good ever since, would there be any logical reason for me to continuously bring up my their drug use? What a great family reunion that would be:

You: "Hey Rab, have you talked with Uncle Jim lately?"
Rab: "No, he did drugs 40 years ago and he doesn't do much now, so we don't talk."
You: "Yeah but Uncle Jim has been sober for 40 years and he has accomplished a lot since then."
Rab: "Yeah but he did drugs 40 years ago and hasn't been the same since."
You: "I mean, Uncle Jim is 80 years old with schizophrenia and depression issues, so yeah he's not as spry as he used to be, but he has overcome a lot and has been very successful since turning his life around."
Rab: "Yeah but he did drugs 40 years ago."

IT MAKES NO LOGICAL SENSE. Nevermind thinking these thoughts privately, I do not understand how you could publicly talk about someone like this and sleep well at night. It is so foreign to my way of thinking, and clearly most people.
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2022, 10:08:53 AM »

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Here I am, SB. Just reading posts on this thread and I agree with most of them but WOW, Rab really hit the nail on the head about Mike Love. Let's face it, That crumb is NOT going to change. Plenty of people used to get on my sh*t about my negative comments about that D-bag but I had this leech figured out a long, long time ago, but I'm not going to tell them "I told you so". Every instance this jackass opens his piehole, he re-seals his horrible profile. The BB's legacy will go down very well but this pathetic loser will not. Enjoy your millions Mike and even more importantly, enjoy your stinking lousy reputation.
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2022, 02:21:24 PM »

"Why the guy can't just celebrate what he accomplished and all the people, tens of millions, he's made happy through the years with his music and lyrics is something I guess we'll never understand."

As usual, you nailed the question, GuitarFool. Yes, why can't he? He is the coauthor and lead vocalist for several of the best songs ever, the frontman of one of the greatest bands ever (actually, the BEST ever), a sublime harmony singer, the best bass/baritone in rock... why does he have to keep pissing on his own shoes with that absurd anti-Brian campaign?
Brian, the man without whom his career as a musician would NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. Brian showed that he was able to do great things without Mike... whatever did he Mike without Brian? Ooh, Kokomo, I get it. Then?

But it's not Mike who really irks me. Mike is a living legend, I can live with him being... let's say, not perfect. Not even Brian, or Al, are perfect, after all. No, what really irks me are the "Mike Lovers". The guys, "historians", "experts", "site administrators", "moderators", simple "fans", simple trolls, who are trying to distort history and spread the revisionist Mike Lover dogma.
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2022, 02:22:19 PM »

I personally really hope to see a redemption story when it comes to The Beach Boys.

Which is why I’m probably a bit too optimistic when it comes to Mike’s behavior - as in, I was really leaning towards the idea that Mike had had a change of heart the last couple years, turning a new leaf. And while evidence of a fizzled 60th reunion kinda made it clear that there is still some tension/problems relating to Brian and Mike’s relationship, I still kept some hope that Mike was done with the public berating of his cousin at least.

But wow, this interview tossed all those hopes into the abandoned Club Kokomo dumpster (where they belonged all along).

While some fans have claimed that Brianistas “need a villain” and Mike is our random target, I find this accusation to be completely lacking any logic: Do Beatles fans go out of their way to randomly find a villain in their favorite band? Do Zeppelin fans go out of their way to vilify a member of their favorite band? NO. Mike’s “villain” label is not something that was randomly assigned by us fans. Rather, Mike’s behavior (be it the litigious behavior, the ego behavior, or the rude behavior) is why Mike is vilified. And it’s sad that it is this way.

I’d love to click on a Beach Boys interview and not read about the litigious history, the infighting, etc. I’d much rather, one day, read about how the band came back together, forgave all the wrongdoings, and just decided to live the rest of their days in peace and harmony.

I hope this happens, because our band needs a real “happily ever after” ending. But sadly, with each passing year, it seems like this is just never going to happen.
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2022, 02:35:18 PM »

Well, we have their music. It's not going anywhere. Smiley
And no Mike interview nor any revisionist "historian" is going to make Mike's lyrics on "Good Vibrations," or his vocals on "Meant For You" and "Airplane", any worse.
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2022, 06:14:37 PM »

For someone who has praised TM and positivity for over 50 years, Mike sure gives a negative interview. ☹️
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2022, 11:39:49 PM »

For someone who has praised TM and positivity for over 50 years, Mike sure gives a negative interview. ☹️
Even though he repeatedly praised Brian as a vocal arranger in that interview, and a great collaborator. Even though he said Carl sang Good Vibrations beautifully. If I hadn't listened to the interview myself, I would have thought - going by the response here - that Mike spent 15 minutes saying "Carl smoked himself to death, Dennis drank himself to death, and Brian is basically comatose today because of all the drugs he did". Actually, I think if Mike were to really let loose on how he feels about working with Brian today, you guys would be even more enraged.
I'm reminded of a comment Carl made about Brian back in 1981: "he doesn't hurt anybody, but he likes to hide a lot". That's why he has people around him to handle the stuff he doesn't like doing.
Or maybe I got that quote wrong; maybe it was "he doesn't hide anybody, but he likes to hurt a lot"  LOL
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2022, 12:35:20 AM »

Actually, I think if Mike were to really let loose on how he feels about working with Brian today, you guys would be even more enraged.

And how would you feel about this? Would you think it was neat-o?! That he was a badass for “telling it like it is man”? You enjoy a man in his 80s throwing a diss out there against his band mate? Well I’ll tell you, if older men hating on his former mates is your thing, you’ll love this band called Pink Floyd and it’s bassist Roger Waters.
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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2022, 01:44:29 AM »

For someone who has praised TM and positivity for over 50 years, Mike sure gives a negative interview. ☹️
Even though he repeatedly praised Brian as a vocal arranger in that interview, and a great collaborator. Even though he said Carl sang Good Vibrations beautifully. If I hadn't listened to the interview myself, I would have thought - going by the response here - that Mike spent 15 minutes saying "Carl smoked himself to death, Dennis drank himself to death, and Brian is basically comatose today because of all the drugs he did". Actually, I think if Mike were to really let loose on how he feels about working with Brian today, you guys would be even more enraged.
I'm reminded of a comment Carl made about Brian back in 1981: "he doesn't hurt anybody, but he likes to hide a lot". That's why he has people around him to handle the stuff he doesn't like doing.
Or maybe I got that quote wrong; maybe it was "he doesn't hide anybody, but he likes to hurt a lot"  LOL

I stand by the post LS. I think you know I refer to interviews in general rather than just this one.
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2022, 03:21:47 AM »

For someone who has praised TM and positivity for over 50 years, Mike sure gives a negative interview. ☹️
Even though he repeatedly praised Brian as a vocal arranger in that interview, and a great collaborator. Even though he said Carl sang Good Vibrations beautifully. If I hadn't listened to the interview myself, I would have thought - going by the response here - that Mike spent 15 minutes saying "Carl smoked himself to death, Dennis drank himself to death, and Brian is basically comatose today because of all the drugs he did". Actually, I think if Mike were to really let loose on how he feels about working with Brian today, you guys would be even more enraged.
I'm reminded of a comment Carl made about Brian back in 1981: "he doesn't hurt anybody, but he likes to hide a lot". That's why he has people around him to handle the stuff he doesn't like doing.
Or maybe I got that quote wrong; maybe it was "he doesn't hide anybody, but he likes to hurt a lot"  LOL

Mike is saying that Brian is "not capable of doing much" - gee, when I'm around 80 years old I could only hope to have as much energy as Brian has had (touring, recording, etc). And at any rate, this doesn't take away from the fact that Mike is asked "have you talked to Brian recently" and Mike's response is "No, he's not capable of doing much." Straight up implying that Brian burned his brains out on drugs so badly that he can't do something as simple as use a telephone or have a conversation.

I guess I'm failing to see the connection between that ridiculous, crass interview answer (that implies Brian has the mental capacity of a 2 year old) and Carl's comment about Brian's tendency to hide back in the day.

I know there are a certain minority who will reach for unfathomable depths attempting to defend Mike's every word, but goodness, just please look at the question/answer and ask yourself if that is a rational response to "have you talked to Brian lately?"

Because whenever I'm asked by family if I've talked to a relative recently, I don't automatically bring up embarrassing/negative stuff that happened to them 40 years prior.
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2022, 04:51:08 AM »

For someone who has praised TM and positivity for over 50 years, Mike sure gives a negative interview. ☹️
Even though he repeatedly praised Brian as a vocal arranger in that interview, and a great collaborator. Even though he said Carl sang Good Vibrations beautifully. If I hadn't listened to the interview myself, I would have thought - going by the response here - that Mike spent 15 minutes saying "Carl smoked himself to death, Dennis drank himself to death, and Brian is basically comatose today because of all the drugs he did". Actually, I think if Mike were to really let loose on how he feels about working with Brian today, you guys would be even more enraged.
I'm reminded of a comment Carl made about Brian back in 1981: "he doesn't hurt anybody, but he likes to hide a lot". That's why he has people around him to handle the stuff he doesn't like doing.
Or maybe I got that quote wrong; maybe it was "he doesn't hide anybody, but he likes to hurt a lot"  LOL

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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2022, 05:27:43 AM »

I mean, this person who supposedly doesn’t do a lot still released two records last year.

All you need to know about Mike is that for the entire C50 tour he watched crowds erupt in love and appreciation for Brian while he — the man who kept the touring ship afloat — stood by. And the instant those contractually obligated dates were done, Mike was gone.

He is bitterly jealous of Brian’s talent and the adoration of Brian’s audiences. He will sabotage himself willingly to keep poking at his cousin.

Which is all so pointless and ridiculous. Mike is talented too. His contributions are unarguable. Just … stop it already.
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2022, 09:22:50 AM »

I mean, this person who supposedly doesn’t do a lot still released two records last year.

All you need to know about Mike is that for the entire C50 tour he watched crowds erupt in love and appreciation for Brian while he — the man who kept the touring ship afloat — stood by. And the instant those contractually obligated dates were done, Mike was gone.

He is bitterly jealous of Brian’s talent and the adoration of Brian’s audiences. He will sabotage himself willingly to keep poking at his cousin.

Which is all so pointless and ridiculous. Mike is talented too. His contributions are unarguable. Just … stop it already.

One of the biggest ironies in the C50 saga is that Mike has seemed to be annoyed by those who pined for the reunion to continue. Yet, wanting it to continue is a literal acknowledgment that Mike brought/brings something very important to the group.

If fans hated *his contribution to the group* as much as he may think they do, they wouldn't have cared about the reunion breaking up, because, especially once Al joined Brian's band, Brian's band was pretty close to the "Reunion Minus Mike and Bruce." No offense to Dave, who brought a lot to the reunion too.

But the post-2012 Brian tour was tantamount to a Mike-less reunion, and "No Pier Pressure" is to a degree a "That's Why God Made The Radio 2" without Mike and Bruce.

Fans wanted Mike too, and like you say, Mike has indeed been willing to sabotage himself to poke at Brian (and Melinda).
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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2022, 12:19:24 PM »

I mean, this person who supposedly doesn’t do a lot still released two records last year.

All you need to know about Mike is that for the entire C50 tour he watched crowds erupt in love and appreciation for Brian while he — the man who kept the touring ship afloat — stood by. And the instant those contractually obligated dates were done, Mike was gone.

He is bitterly jealous of Brian’s talent and the adoration of Brian’s audiences. He will sabotage himself willingly to keep poking at his cousin.

Which is all so pointless and ridiculous. Mike is talented too. His contributions are unarguable. Just … stop it already.

One of the biggest ironies in the C50 saga is that Mike has seemed to be annoyed by those who pined for the reunion to continue. Yet, wanting it to continue is a literal acknowledgment that Mike brought/brings something very important to the group.

If fans hated *his contribution to the group* as much as he may think they do, they wouldn't have cared about the reunion breaking up, because, especially once Al joined Brian's band, Brian's band was pretty close to the "Reunion Minus Mike and Bruce." No offense to Dave, who brought a lot to the reunion too.

But the post-2012 Brian tour was tantamount to a Mike-less reunion, and "No Pier Pressure" is to a degree a "That's Why God Made The Radio 2" without Mike and Bruce.

Fans wanted Mike too, and like you say, Mike has indeed been willing to sabotage himself to poke at Brian (and Melinda).
I think it's Melinda that Mike really has a problem with. But if Mike kept telling interviewers that he doesn't like Brian's wife, you guys would jump all over him for that, too.
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2022, 12:30:28 PM »

I think it's Melinda that Mike really has a problem with. But if Mike kept telling interviewers that he doesn't like Brian's wife, you guys would jump all over him for that, too.

And it would be justified too. For years the mantra "it's all about the music" has been repeated on these boards. For years we've been told Mike is carrying the torch of the Beach Boys legacy and the music to fans through his tours. If Mike were to launch a public attack on Brian's wife, or any spouse or family member for that matter, in the context of an interview promoting the music and his live shows, criticizing a spouse has absolutely nothing to do with either the music, or promoting his live shows.

Maybe you or anyone else can explain what mentioning Brian's health and previous drug use has to do with Mike promoting his live shows? Because I thought we were told it's all about the music.
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