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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2021, 08:34:31 AM »

The issue of the "Endless Summer" credit and Mike's role from the cruise's PR release is NOT new and has been happening for well over a decade.

Here's a post from 2010, about a previous "Malt Shop Memories" cruise featuring Mike and the band, and note the exact same wording was used in that release:

http://www.maltshopcruise.com/

But this statement under the Beach Boys Bio caught my eye.

In 1974 Mike Loveís concept album Endless Summer ignited a second generation of Beach Boys fans and stirred a tempest that rocked the music world.

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They just dusted off an old press release that was just as inaccurate then as it is now. I guess no one either bothered or dared to correct it in the past 11 years or so. More "sloppy" work from some hapless interns in the marketing department? Who knows...

And note too that Mike is doing yet another Malt Shop cruise after the one we're discussing, see the link above.

As far as calling "Endless Summer" "Mike Love's concept album", that's just bullshit. But we've also covered that numerous times before, along with the claim that Mike "produced" the Endless Summer album when it is a compilation of Brian Wilson or Nik Venet productions from Capitol's vault.

And Bruce Brown who created the classic surfing film "Endless Summer" in 1966 may have been the one to coin the term along with the group The Sandals who had the hit soundtrack connecting surfing and surf music to that title and concept, but I digress.

Here's a few quotes from that 2010 discussion to consider:

Someone needs to say that Endless Summer was Bruce Brown`s concept 10 years before the Capitol reissue.

Mike Love single-handedly turned the Beach Boys' very creative Sunflower/Surf's Up/CT&P/Holland machine into an oldies act overnight with his idea of Endless Summer.

Mikie, that's complete nonsense and you know it - at best, Mike suggested a title for a pre-existing, almost completed reissue project. Wasn't his idea, he had nothing to do with track selection, and he sure as hell had no idea it would take off like Craig Breedlove on speed. No-one did, least of all Capitol.

at best, Mike suggested a title for a pre-existing, almost completed reissue project. Wasn't his idea, he had nothing to do with track selection, and he sure as hell had no idea it would take off like Craig Breedlove on speed. No-one did, least of all Capitol.

I think this was the main idea of the original post in this thread, that the Endless Summer album was being credited directly as Mike's concept album in that press release when it obviously was not. So why make that claim in print in the first place?

Remember too that Capitol thought so much of the Beach Boys at that point in time that they couldn't even *find* let alone release the original 45/radio mix of Help Me Rhonda on the comp, a hit song which was roughly 8 years old at the time. That's harsh.

Add in the influence of George Lucas' "American Graffitti" on the Beach Boys revival of sorts well before Endless Summer - their "old" songs are featured in the movie, they're part of the dialogue, and in one of the better end-title music sequences in film "All Summer Long" blasts over the credits and sounds friggin' amazing!

I think the history of writing and releasing statements like that of the Endless Summer "concept" only feeds the fire so to speak among those in one Beach Boys "camp" or the other. I honestly don't know why they can't just leave that stuff alone and let people enjoy the music for what it is.


Ouch.

And that's from 2010...along with previous press releases and promotions which used the exact same or similar wording to promote Mike's shows...yet no one in over a decade has fact-checked or corrected something which just isn't accurate. It just continues to feed the fire and it's a little disheartening to see how little things have changed since 2010 in that regard. At least they didn't use a C50 photo from 2012 to promote this cruise.

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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2021, 09:00:34 AM »

In Mike's 1992 Goldmine interview, he seems to simply address suggesting the title. He even calls the cover art "awful."


Q: Capitol's treatment of the Beach Boys' catalog on CD has been fabulous. What was your impression of the slew of two-fer Beach Boys CDs?

A: I don't even know. I don't know.

Q: Have you seen them?

A: No. I don't know. You find that amusing?

Q: Yeah, it's hard to believe that being a Beach Boy you haven't seen something like that.

A: It is hard to believe. I find it hard to believe too.

Q: Why is that?

A: Why is that? Because I'm a Pisces, is that a good answer [uproarious laughter]? That's as good as I can come up with. There is nothing that we can do to stop them from merchandising our records the way they want to merchandise them so we're at their mercy. So if they've done something that in the opinion of the caring public is well done, then I'm glad to hear it. But having no recourse or say-so ... For instance, they were going to do a Best Of The Beach Boys Volume Three in 19 - , whatever the hell it was, and I came in there and went, "Wait a second, call it Endless Summer." And instead of being Volume Three which sound nauseating to me, like ...

Q: The third rung of hits.

A: Exactly. Endless Summer has a whole other vibe to it and sold several million copies just with the switch of the title. But then I'm a title guy anyway.

Q: The artwork was so strange on that album. I could never tell who was who.

A: Yeah, I know, it was awful ...


Here's a question. What *was* Capitol actually going to call this collection? "Greatest Hits Vol. 3" had already come out, and clearly this set was kind of a "starting over at square one" sort of hits track listing rather than a continuation of the old "Greatest Hits" albums going back to 1966.
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2021, 11:34:45 AM »

Promo video.

https://youtu.be/kbDZFtgKMvc
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2021, 12:09:06 PM »


For some reason, I find it slightly eerie that Bruce's performance in this promo seems so similar to his on-camera narration for "An American Band."

Admittedly, this video makes the whole thing a bit extra cheesy and carny status than it seems when you just think about it versus hear them actively pitch it.

"Hand-picked?" Really? They have not even the top-tier Beatles *tribute* band on the bill.

Also, while we don't know exactly what the pandemic status will be in March of next year, I think it's insane for Mike, who will at that point be *81 years old*, and Bruce, who will be nearly 80, to do in-person meet-and-greets with fans while they're all trapped together on an ocean liner, even assuming everybody on the boat is fully vaccinated (to say nothing of whether booster shots will be more of a hanging question by March). I suppose it's possible they'll do distanced meet-and-greets, sign autographs behind plexiglass, etc.

Maybe this HBO documentary called "The Last Cruise", focusing on the infamous Diamond Princess cruise from last year, will be offered as viewing material on Mike's cruise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NspHkPKzrww
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2021, 12:13:47 PM »

I recall many years ago, 1994 or 95 as I recall, when the Beach Boys did a similar sort of cruise thing, where they cruise around and then dock somewhere around the Bahamas and play a gig, there was grumbling among some contingent of fans because it seemed like part of the purpose was to gather like *superfans* of the band on the cruise, but then when they did the live gig (which circulates on video), it was like a boring, standard 1995 setlist.
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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2021, 08:03:26 PM »

Honestly a bit surprised that Mikeís group has top billing, considered Nesmith and Dolenz are performing together. Iíd think that pairing has more cachet than Love and Johnston. Guess not. Of course if it was the reunited Beach Boys thatís a different story. But as the photo shows, itís Mike and his gang of dudes.

Also count me as surprised Nesmith is doing this. Iím also surprised heís been doing this Monkees thing at all recently.  
Nez is on record as having never liked Tork; and there was bad blood between Nez and Jones regarding the former ditching the Monkees after their UK tour in 97. So it makes perfect sense to me - "oh, great, the guys I don't like are gone, now I can come back".
I admire Nez greatly as  a songwriter and singer; not so much as a person.
Not so impressed with Micky these days, either. When you get some of the backstage stories on these guys, it starts to remind you of...well, the Beach Boys.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2021, 05:36:16 AM »

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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2021, 06:27:20 AM »

I'll say this, despite being a year older than Bruce, Mike looks like he's still in pretty good shape physically, for an 80 year old. Bruce, on the other hand, comes across like he's closer to 90, he looks like he's really slowed down alot, looks so old, almost bordering on feeble. How much longer can Bruce continue to tour like this, even for all the $ he makes for virtually doing nothing of significance on stage?  He looks sooooo old.
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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2021, 11:21:56 AM »

Shuffling deck chairs on the titanic! Grin
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« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2021, 12:50:09 PM »

HOWEVER It was obviously fine for Brian to do such Cruise Ship gigs in 2019 Huh
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« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2021, 01:16:41 PM »

Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ĎThe Beach Boysí name rather than that of an individual. ĎBrian Wilsoní can do what he wants. ĎíThe Beach Boysí most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
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« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2021, 01:41:59 PM »

Is this the Brian gig? https://backstageaxxess.com/2019/08/brian-wilson-of-the-beach-boys-added-to-cayamo-lineup/

That's actually a really good lineup....very different quality to it than a lineup with Mark McGrath and a Beatles cover band.

Suppose it's just personal taste.
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« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2021, 02:39:20 PM »

Yes indeed, there is a huge difference in having Brian doing a cruise gig on his own with his own name, than having Mike do show called A BEACH BOYS CRUISE apparently celebrating for the 60th anniversary of this legendary group.

It's tacky and it's based on a hoax.
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« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2021, 03:57:10 PM »

Yes indeed, there is a huge difference in having Brian doing a cruise gig on his own with his own name, than having Mike do show called A BEACH BOYS CRUISE apparently celebrating for the 60th anniversary of this legendary group.

It's tacky and it's based on a hoax.
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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2021, 07:23:17 PM »

Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ĎThe Beach Boysí name rather than that of an individual. ĎBrian Wilsoní can do what he wants. ĎíThe Beach Boysí most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
Then your gripe is with the entity that allows Mike and Bruce to tour as The Beach Boys.
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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2021, 07:43:34 PM »

Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ĎThe Beach Boysí name rather than that of an individual. ĎBrian Wilsoní can do what he wants. ĎíThe Beach Boysí most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
Then your gripe is with the entity that allows Mike and Bruce to tour as The Beach Boys.

I think itís fairly obvious that Brian and Melinda donít want a legal scuffle with Mike this late in Brianís life. So, if Brian and Melinda love the money flow from Mikeís touring band (Iím sure itís really keeping a roof over their heads and food on their plates) then yeah we do have a partial gripe with them. But our gripe isnít limited to just them, but also to Mike and Bruce themselves who clearly see nothing wrong with calling themselves the beach boys when 2 out of 8(?) members are actually official members of the band. They honestly fit that cruise lineup perfectly.
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2021, 07:53:23 PM »

Also, shoutout to all the ďbRiAn DoEs iT ToOoOoOoO!!!Ē people. I made that photoshop specially for yaíll. Brian at least has the ability to play a cruise with a much better lineup under HIS OWN NAME instead of needing to bill himself as an entity that he clearly isnít.
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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2021, 08:31:48 PM »

Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ĎThe Beach Boysí name rather than that of an individual. ĎBrian Wilsoní can do what he wants. ĎíThe Beach Boysí most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
Then your gripe is with the entity that allows Mike and Bruce to tour as The Beach Boys.

Yes, and I know the history and that Brian and Al make money off it.
But itís no different to me having an opinion on how a phone company should be run. I use the service but donít own stock. With  The Beach Boys I listen to the music but arenít a principle, but still feel entitled to give thoughts on the rights or wrongs of their business decisions.
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« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2021, 06:10:52 AM »



Iíll always remember my dad calling The Beach Boys a bunch of drug addicts when I was listening to them one day as a kid (I was barely old enough to know what drugs were). THAT is what Iím talking about when I say legacy/reputation. People love their music and that isnít really going to change. But what do The Beach Boys bring along with their amazing music? Manson, drugs, litigations, firings, trophy hunting gig. Are people going to specifically remember this cruise ship gig? I highly doubt it. If anything itís just a reminder of the sad state of The Beach Boys today. Itís yet another kernel of ďreally?Ē added to a mountain of stories, legal documents, and WTF moments that already exist when you bring up the words The Beach Boys. Stuff like that doesnít affect album sales, it affects how this band will be remembered in articles, books, etc over time.
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« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2021, 06:31:56 AM »

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Can't believe anybody other than the usual idiots are getting worked up over this. At their age, they should be able to do whatever they want (except promote shooting wild animals...)  It's not like it's a new thing.

LOL Iím glad us usual idiots got so worked up over this, otherwise ^this post wouldnít exist LOL seriously, with Mike at the helm of this band we literally have to go out of our way to explain that promoting the killing of wild animals isnít something we should supportÖBut yeah, weíre idiots for pointing out that a cruise ship gig is just one minor symptom of a much greater problem with the leadership here haha
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« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2021, 07:45:30 AM »

Rab is fire! I guess that guy on the beach was OSD! LOL
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« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2021, 01:32:17 PM »

Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ĎThe Beach Boysí name rather than that of an individual. ĎBrian Wilsoní can do what he wants. ĎíThe Beach Boysí most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
Then your gripe is with the entity that allows Mike and Bruce to tour as The Beach Boys.

I think itís fairly obvious that Brian and Melinda donít want a legal scuffle with Mike this late in Brianís life. So, if Brian and Melinda love the money flow from Mikeís touring band (Iím sure itís really keeping a roof over their heads and food on their plates) then yeah we do have a partial gripe with them. But our gripe isnít limited to just them, but also to Mike and Bruce themselves who clearly see nothing wrong with calling themselves the beach boys when 2 out of 8(?) members are actually official members of the band. They honestly fit that cruise lineup perfectly.
I felt as you do once upon a time. I thought the band name should have been retired after Carl died.
So then what we would have had was Mike and Bruce touring under whatever name, doing a show of Beach Boys music. Just as we do with Brian and Al now. Brian's not out there trying to promote his solo albums - he and his group are performing a show of Beach Boys music.
So they might as well just call it the Beach Boys.
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« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2021, 05:04:23 PM »

Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ĎThe Beach Boysí name rather than that of an individual. ĎBrian Wilsoní can do what he wants. ĎíThe Beach Boysí most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
Then your gripe is with the entity that allows Mike and Bruce to tour as The Beach Boys.

I think itís fairly obvious that Brian and Melinda donít want a legal scuffle with Mike this late in Brianís life. So, if Brian and Melinda love the money flow from Mikeís touring band (Iím sure itís really keeping a roof over their heads and food on their plates) then yeah we do have a partial gripe with them. But our gripe isnít limited to just them, but also to Mike and Bruce themselves who clearly see nothing wrong with calling themselves the beach boys when 2 out of 8(?) members are actually official members of the band. They honestly fit that cruise lineup perfectly.
I felt as you do once upon a time. I thought the band name should have been retired after Carl died.
So then what we would have had was Mike and Bruce touring under whatever name, doing a show of Beach Boys music. Just as we do with Brian and Al now. Brian's not out there trying to promote his solo albums - he and his group are performing a show of Beach Boys music.
So they might as well just call it the Beach Boys.

I totally get your perspective and have honestly cared less and less as time goes on about Mikeís control of the license. I guess at times I still get bitter about the state of the band right now. I just wish they were still making music together, still touring together, not boycotting their own music because of a stupid hunting gig. So when Mike does some gig I think is absurd, I knock it. But meanwhile Mike is out there helping his band members make a living - they all have jobs they love, they play a good show. So no, Iím not that pissed off about it. And on the flip side of that, Brian and his band are helping support their crew by keeping things the way things are (and if they joined The Beach Boys to create another supergroup again, theyíd clearly have to let some people go. So Iím sure everyone is mostly happy with the way things are - but what do I know?).

Idk, none of it is black and white - for the band(s), for the fans. If any of us had the power to take the license from Mike, would we really (OSD excluded Grin)?? A decision like that could alter a lot of lives. In the end would it be worth it? And thatís probably why Mike still tours as The Beach Boys.
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« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2021, 06:05:02 PM »

Rab is fire! I guess that guy on the beach was OSD! LOL

LOL I can see OSD out on a boat, megaphone in hand, giant banner in tow reading ďSAVE THE BEACH BOYSĒ harassing the cruise ship haha. Instead of Greenpeace itís Beachpeace. Time to start a GoFundMe Grin

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