Barnyard and Mrs O'Leary's Cow

[juggler]

This may have already been discussed at various points over the decades, but if it has, I missed it.  So here goes...  To my ear, at various points of MOLC, the drum pattern echoes the barnyard verse melody (i.e.,  "out in the barnyard the cook is chopping lumber").  I'm talking about the parts of MOLC that can be heard very clearly 0:26-029, 0:46-0:48, 1:04-1:07 on the tracking session excerpts on Disc 4 of TSS box.  You could sing an up-tempo "out in the farmyard the chickens do their number" over those parts.

Is this simply the case of Brian using some of the same musical ideas in multiple tracks?  Or is it an intentional echo across both tracks, just as there's an echo of Good Vibrations in Look, etc.?  No one seems to talk much about Barnyard as a potential Elements section, but could it have been?  Obviously, there's a farmyard animal theme with both pieces.  Barnyard, of course, began life as part of the Heroes and Villains orbit, but The Elements of course has its own connections to H&V, with what's used as the Fire Intro was recorded as "Heroes and Villains intro." Obviously the whole project was very fluid, and with the "Teenage Symphony to God" concept, perhaps it's not surprising that Brian might have borrowed the classical music concept of introducing various musical ideas in the overture (H&V?) that will reappear in later movements.

[thetojo]

I have suggested Barnyard as Earth.

I would say your onto something -

I might have another look at the Frank Holmes cartoons and have a think about a more extensive post here.

[WillJC]

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[juggler]

I personally don't hear it though. About half of everything from that era could be sung over anything else at random if you change the key and/or tempo. Pet Sounds has its repeating melodic motifs and chord patterns too, but that's down to writing habits rather than an attempt to connect things.

Fair enough, but I would invite you to review the melody that Brian vocalizes at 3:02-3:07 in the Humble Harv demo (TSS, Disc 2, Track 36).  That is a down-tempo version of the aforementioned Fire drum pattern.  But, yeah, I'm just throwing this out there for discussion.   As you say, repeating melodic motifs and chord patterns doesn't necessarily imply something other than the same composer doing his thing.  In some of the Good Vibrations sessions, you can hear chord patters that turn up again in various H&V sessions.

[Summertime Blooz]

This may have already been discussed at various points over the decades, but if it has, I missed it.  So here goes...  To my ear, at various points of MOLC, the drum pattern echoes the barnyard verse melody (i.e.,  "out in the barnyard the cook is chopping lumber").  I'm talking about the parts of MOLC that can be heard very clearly 0:26-029, 0:46-0:48, 1:04-1:07 on the tracking session excerpts on Disc 4 of TSS box.  You could sing an up-tempo "out in the farmyard the chickens do their number" over those parts.

Is this simply the case of Brian using some of the same musical ideas in multiple tracks?  Or is it an intentional echo across both tracks, just as there's an echo of Good Vibrations in Look, etc.?  No one seems to talk much about Barnyard as a potential Elements section, but could it have been?  Obviously, there's a farmyard animal theme with both pieces.  Barnyard, of course, began life as part of the Heroes and Villains orbit, but The Elements of course has its own connections to H&V, with what's used as the Fire Intro was recorded as "Heroes and Villains intro." Obviously the whole project was very fluid, and with the "Teenage Symphony to God" concept, perhaps it's not surprising that Brian might have borrowed the classical music concept of introducing various musical ideas in the overture (H&V?) that will reappear in later movements.

As I recall it, the use of the H&V intro being combined with Mrs. Oleary  didn't come from Brian. It was writers and fan mixers who did it when Smile speculation was an ongoing hot topic and the idea has just stuck over the years.

[thetojo]

As I recall it, the use of the H&V intro being combined with Mrs. Oleary  didn't come from Brian. It was writers and fan mixers who did it when Smile speculation was an ongoing hot topic and the idea has just stuck over the years.

Didn't this combo first appear in the Linnet mixes of 1988. The thrust of what you say is correct though, it didn't come from Brian.

[WillJC]

As I recall it, the use of the H&V intro being combined with Mrs. Oleary  didn't come from Brian. It was writers and fan mixers who did it when Smile speculation was an ongoing hot topic and the idea has just stuck over the years.

Didn't this combo first appear in the Linnet mixes of 1988. The thrust of what you say is correct though, it didn't come from Brian.

Yeah, that was its debut. Not that it isn't a great idea!