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« Reply #50 on: April 10, 2020, 09:04:51 AM »

Based on the tracksheet notes from that other thread, I'm assuming each part refers to:

7 - tag MARCELLA = Mike coda response
11 - ONE ARM first chorus = Al and Carl chorus lead
12 - ONE ARM 2nd chorus = Dennis and Carl chorus response
13 - Mike Du Be Du Be Du Be = Mike chorus bass vocal
15 - Al extra = doobie doobie doo
16 - Mike and Al = Mike coda lead with Al's harmony
17 - Carl and Jack = Marcella hey / hey Marcella

I was listening to the song with my ear close to the speaker, and this sounds about right. It wasnít until a few years ago that I noticed Alís ďshoobie doobie dooĒ part and now Iíve finally noticed Mikeís ďdu be du beĒ part which seems to underline Alís bit. Man, one has to just appreciate the beautiful intricacy of these vocal parts, and that by 1972 that it wasnít always Brian arranging them, but all the guys. There never has been a vocal group that can come close to The Beach Boys and there will likely never be any.

Question though: Blondie is heard during the chorus (sounds like him anyway), but I guess heís absent from the tag?


I assumed Blondie was in the chorus too before I did some closer listening, but it's actually Al with a Carl harmony underneath him. They did the same thing live. Kinda uncharacteristically gritty for Al, but he uses the same voice on the "down, down, down, down" parts in He Come Down.

The COMPLETE vocal breakdown for the song (same live unless mentioned otherwise) as far as I can tell is:

'Hey yeah Marcella' harmony refrain - top to bottom Bruce, Al, Carl (on his own track as the 'lead'), Mike, with another Carl singing the "she's a fine, fine, fine" counterpoint (Al did this live, with the harmony stack being Blondie & Dennis, Carl and Mike, though they seem to have abandoned the top note)

Verse lead - Carl
Verse backing - top to bottom Bruce, Al, Carl, Mike (can't figure out live, but Blondie's falsetto is on the top)

Chorus lead - Al, with Carl harmonising below
Chorus responses - Dennis (syncopated "one arm, one arm, over my shoulder") and Carl (delayed "over my shoulder" and "knock you right over" echo at the end of each phrase - Blondie took this live)
Chorus bass vocal - Mike (the "du be du be du be" mentioned on the tracksheet)

Coda lead - Mike, with Al harmonising above
Coda response - Mike (version of Dennis' earlier broken "one arm, one arm, over my shoulder" part - Dennis also sang this live)
Tenor 'Marcella hey' - Carl (Carl live at first, then switched to Blondie)
Baritone 'hey Marcella' - Jack (either Carl or Ricky live)
Doobie doobie doo - Al
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« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2020, 09:06:40 AM »

that type of processing tends to smother the character.

Title of my memoirs, incidentally.
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« Reply #52 on: April 10, 2020, 07:00:26 PM »

Found the extracted vocal I did years ago! Iíll upload it later today 😎

I could try running it through Spleeter, too, for isolated vocals.  Let me know if interested.


I would like to hear it
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« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2020, 07:14:09 PM »

https://soundcloud.com/billy-castillo-2/marcella-beach-boys-song-extracted-tag/s-kyMf55TT961


It's not Carl. ...too thin

Edit Sound cloud deleted the link...one moment

Edit x2 still getting immediately deleted. Iíll find a new place to upload it.
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« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2020, 08:21:23 PM »

Billy, WeTransfer works pretty well for stuff like this.

Also, I want to tell all of you how much I love you  Wink and am enjoying this topic. Iím hearing more of these parts than I ever have, but still having a hard time hearing Bruce.
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« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2020, 08:35:50 PM »

Iíll try it.

Oh and from hearing it, the doobie doobie doo doos are very clearly Al. I know at one point years ago people thought it was Brian.
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« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2020, 08:54:27 PM »

When did the group do it during the 2012 tour? I don't remember it.

I think they started doing it after the Jason Fine piece on the 50th Anniversary tour in Rolling Stone - Fine captured Brian trying to convince Mike to put it in the set, and also badgering Scott Totten to put it in (ST: ďwe donít know that songĒ BW: ďmy guys know it!Ē)
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« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2020, 12:10:02 AM »

I've always heard the "Marcella Heeeey" as Brian.
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« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2020, 12:59:27 AM »

A thread (and a song) incredibly near & dear to my heart...

Salty--your listing sounds pretty right on to me, after 5,000+ listens to the track over the years (g-d it, to think it's been nearly half a century...Lord help us all!).

Just making sure of one thing: when you talk "chorus," you are talking about the "One arm over my shoulder/Sandals dance at my feet" section that ends "Oo Marcella so sweet," yes? You guys are hearing Al singing these lines (or some of them)? I'm hearing Carl, particularly on the "dance at my feet" (which has some of the same hard-ass inflection that's on display in "Mess of Help").

Can you break down the lines in the choruses a bit more to guide me toward hearing where Al is on these?

Billy, really want to hear that extracted track! Can you maybe find the same for "Mess of Help" again? Remember being amazed by that as well when it was available to hear.

My little six-song iTune set designed to blow away bad vibes ("in 20 minutes or less!") kicks off with three BB songs all worked on (if not exactly released) in '72: "Marcella," "SOS" (the most instrumental version with vocals only at the ned), and "Mess of Help." Better than any ingested/injected drug for returning to "precocious adolescent" sonic ecstasy...

The magnificently energetic intricacy of the vocal arrangements on Marcella: unquestioned. Who was responsible for 'em: less certain. Remembering reading a "progress report" in a music mag in January 1972 from critic Billy Altman who was apparently present at the BBs December sessions and whose preview blurb was "over the galaxy" about "Marcella"...but it also  strongly intimated that Brian was very involved in those sessions (or, should I say, at the "Marcella" sessions, at least). That entire period, with its result of swapping out Bruce and adding in Blondie/Ricky and the internecine intrigues with Rieley etal, is still in need of a lot more documentary detail.

One last observation/question: given the unmitigated awesomeness of the live version of "Marcella," why do you suppose that Warners didn't at least try to put it out as a 45? Or would it be still somehow be seen as "too un-BB" to work commercially? I'm still of the opinion that they screwed things up by leading with "Mess of Help" as the first 45 from SO TOUGH--the advance tag line could've been "We can't wait for June!" with "Marcella" bringing the BBs into a perfect moment of alignment with the past and the present. My admittedly outrť love for "Mess of Help" does not blind me to the fact that it couldn't "help" but confuse folks who'd just connected with SURF'S UP--the first reaction to it at the time was "that's pretty good! ...wait/what, it's the BEACH BOYS?? (insert brakes and car crash sounds here)." While Jack is famous for that quote about how the BBs "blew it," they had a "mess of help" from WB in 1972...
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« Reply #59 on: April 11, 2020, 05:14:00 AM »

A thread (and a song) incredibly near & dear to my heart...

Salty--your listing sounds pretty right on to me, after 5,000+ listens to the track over the years (g-d it, to think it's been nearly half a century...Lord help us all!).

Just making sure of one thing: when you talk "chorus," you are talking about the "One arm over my shoulder/Sandals dance at my feet" section that ends "Oo Marcella so sweet," yes? You guys are hearing Al singing these lines (or some of them)? I'm hearing Carl, particularly on the "dance at my feet" (which has some of the same hard-ass inflection that's on display in "Mess of Help").

Can you break down the lines in the choruses a bit more to guide me toward hearing where Al is on these?


Yeah, that's the part I'm taking about. The main lead is a two-part harmony, Al on the top and Carl below: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AF_gRWCYDHcHUKs78eZ3E7mgYv-jgszX/view?usp=sharing

I think that's probably where you're hearing Carl's tone cut through. They did the same thing live.

Then on the other side (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qpABKqlHGKVSTL2Z9J2hcm7emzwtop7Y/view?usp=sharing) you've got Dennis singing a syncopated answer part with Carl bouncing off the end of each phrase:

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One arm, one arm, over my shoulder (over my shoulder)
Sandals, that dance, dance at my feet (over and over)
Her eyes, those eyes, knock you right over (knock you right over)
Oo Mar, oo Marcella so sweet
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« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2020, 05:25:11 AM »

but still having a hard time hearing Bruce.

In the "hey yeah Marcella" refrain, listen for the voice that goes up to a G4 at the end of each phrase - that's Bruce. It's a pretty subtle harmony. You can also hear his falsetto on top of the "ahhhhhs" during the verse.
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« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2020, 07:23:31 AM »

A thread (and a song) incredibly near & dear to my heart...

Salty--your listing sounds pretty right on to me, after 5,000+ listens to the track over the years (g-d it, to think it's been nearly half a century...Lord help us all!).

Just making sure of one thing: when you talk "chorus," you are talking about the "One arm over my shoulder/Sandals dance at my feet" section that ends "Oo Marcella so sweet," yes? You guys are hearing Al singing these lines (or some of them)? I'm hearing Carl, particularly on the "dance at my feet" (which has some of the same hard-ass inflection that's on display in "Mess of Help").

Can you break down the lines in the choruses a bit more to guide me toward hearing where Al is on these?


Yeah, that's the part I'm taking about. The main lead is a two-part harmony, Al on the top and Carl below: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AF_gRWCYDHcHUKs78eZ3E7mgYv-jgszX/view?usp=sharing

I think that's probably where you're hearing Carl's tone cut through. They did the same thing live.

Then on the other side (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qpABKqlHGKVSTL2Z9J2hcm7emzwtop7Y/view?usp=sharing) you've got Dennis singing a syncopated answer part with Carl bouncing off the end of each phrase:

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One arm, one arm, over my shoulder (over my shoulder)
Sandals, that dance, dance at my feet (over and over)
Her eyes, those eyes, knock you right over (knock you right over)
Oo Mar, oo Marcella so sweet


I hear Mike doing his doo-wop bass thing too underneath the Dennis and Carl call and answer vocals.
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« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2020, 07:26:03 AM »


I hear Mike doing his doo-wop bass thing too underneath the Dennis and Carl call and answer vocals.

Already mentioned in the earlier breakdown!
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« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2020, 08:15:05 AM »


Then on the other side (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qpABKqlHGKVSTL2Z9J2hcm7emzwtop7Y/view?usp=sharing) you've got Dennis singing a syncopated answer part with Carl bouncing off the end of each phrase:

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One arm, one arm, over my shoulder (over my shoulder)
Sandals, that dance, dance at my feet (over and over)
Her eyes, those eyes, knock you right over (knock you right over)
Oo Mar, oo Marcella so sweet


I've always heard this as two Dennises. Will have to listen again.
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« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2020, 09:00:35 AM »

A thread (and a song) incredibly near & dear to my heart...

Salty--your listing sounds pretty right on to me, after 5,000+ listens to the track over the years (g-d it, to think it's been nearly half a century...Lord help us all!).

Just making sure of one thing: when you talk "chorus," you are talking about the "One arm over my shoulder/Sandals dance at my feet" section that ends "Oo Marcella so sweet," yes? You guys are hearing Al singing these lines (or some of them)? I'm hearing Carl, particularly on the "dance at my feet" (which has some of the same hard-ass inflection that's on display in "Mess of Help").

Can you break down the lines in the choruses a bit more to guide me toward hearing where Al is on these?


Yeah, that's the part I'm taking about. The main lead is a two-part harmony, Al on the top and Carl below: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AF_gRWCYDHcHUKs78eZ3E7mgYv-jgszX/view?usp=sharing

I think that's probably where you're hearing Carl's tone cut through. They did the same thing live.

Then on the other side (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qpABKqlHGKVSTL2Z9J2hcm7emzwtop7Y/view?usp=sharing) you've got Dennis singing a syncopated answer part with Carl bouncing off the end of each phrase:

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One arm, one arm, over my shoulder (over my shoulder)
Sandals, that dance, dance at my feet (over and over)
Her eyes, those eyes, knock you right over (knock you right over)
Oo Mar, oo Marcella so sweet




Those extraction links are super awesome!

I'm realizing this was maybe Brian's last hurrah as a vocal arranger on a level that he was in his glory days. They really went all out on this one! Vocally with all the little tiny twists and turns, It's almost on the level of something from SMiLE. Not sure I can think of a later BBs example that is quite as detailed and intricate.

Maybe a few tracks on Love You come close.
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« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2020, 10:13:34 AM »

Didnít Carl do the vocal arrangements on this?
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« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2020, 05:31:40 PM »

Wasn't there either a 'fast' version, or a 'long' version (or both) out there on some bootleg? What was the source for those? Legit, or just someone fooling around?

Also, does anyone know if the Beatrice from Baltimore lyrics were recorded, even if only in demo form?
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« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2020, 06:30:27 PM »

Definitely not one of my favorite songs ( Iím in the camp that thinks itís too slow and plodding ) but this is one the best threads Iíve read on here in awhile ! Gave me some new appreciation of that song . Now who sang what on the C50 version 😂😂
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« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2020, 07:55:04 PM »

Didnít Carl do the vocal arrangements on this?

If so, it's surely the only time Carl did this kind of vocal arrangement - his others are more "conventional", if you will, and not really BW-like.
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« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2020, 07:58:24 PM »

I donít find it slow at all, myself. Definitely a Ď70s Beach Boys favorite and it dukes it out with ĎAll This Is Thatí for the best track on Carl & The Passions.
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« Reply #70 on: April 13, 2020, 06:36:26 PM »

A thread (and a song) incredibly near & dear to my heart...

Salty--your listing sounds pretty right on to me, after 5,000+ listens to the track over the years (g-d it, to think it's been nearly half a century...Lord help us all!).

Just making sure of one thing: when you talk "chorus," you are talking about the "One arm over my shoulder/Sandals dance at my feet" section that ends "Oo Marcella so sweet," yes? You guys are hearing Al singing these lines (or some of them)? I'm hearing Carl, particularly on the "dance at my feet" (which has some of the same hard-ass inflection that's on display in "Mess of Help").

Can you break down the lines in the choruses a bit more to guide me toward hearing where Al is on these?

Billy, really want to hear that extracted track! Can you maybe find the same for "Mess of Help" again? Remember being amazed by that as well when it was available to hear.

My little six-song iTune set designed to blow away bad vibes ("in 20 minutes or less!") kicks off with three BB songs all worked on (if not exactly released) in '72: "Marcella," "SOS" (the most instrumental version with vocals only at the ned), and "Mess of Help." Better than any ingested/injected drug for returning to "precocious adolescent" sonic ecstasy...

The magnificently energetic intricacy of the vocal arrangements on Marcella: unquestioned. Who was responsible for 'em: less certain. Remembering reading a "progress report" in a music mag in January 1972 from critic Billy Altman who was apparently present at the BBs December sessions and whose preview blurb was "over the galaxy" about "Marcella"...but it also  strongly intimated that Brian was very involved in those sessions (or, should I say, at the "Marcella" sessions, at least). That entire period, with its result of swapping out Bruce and adding in Blondie/Ricky and the internecine intrigues with Rieley etal, is still in need of a lot more documentary detail.

One last observation/question: given the unmitigated awesomeness of the live version of "Marcella," why do you suppose that Warners didn't at least try to put it out as a 45? Or would it be still somehow be seen as "too un-BB" to work commercially? I'm still of the opinion that they screwed things up by leading with "Mess of Help" as the first 45 from SO TOUGH--the advance tag line could've been "We can't wait for June!" with "Marcella" bringing the BBs into a perfect moment of alignment with the past and the present. My admittedly outrť love for "Mess of Help" does not blind me to the fact that it couldn't "help" but confuse folks who'd just connected with SURF'S UP--the first reaction to it at the time was "that's pretty good! ...wait/what, it's the BEACH BOYS?? (insert brakes and car crash sounds here)." While Jack is famous for that quote about how the BBs "blew it," they had a "mess of help" from WB in 1972...
Brian said in his autobiography he was initially very involved in the Marcella session, IIRC.
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« Reply #71 on: April 13, 2020, 09:11:31 PM »

Probably like a number of other songs he was involved with the sessions from this era, Brian wouldíve lost interest after a while, handing the duties over to Carl, while he moved on to something else. Or, who knows, maybe he was more focused and tuned in than that whilst recording it. The vocal tag arrangement has his fingerprints all over it.
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« Reply #72 on: April 15, 2020, 02:56:23 PM »

I always believed that the chugging rhythm & somewhat slower (compared to live) tempo of this song could have been a result of Brian's heavy left hand on the piano.  I can easily hear Brian doing a piano demo & then Carl & the guys turning it into the full blown production that it became.  It was only natural to speed it up when performed live.  It became an easy choice to be an opening song for many shows when if was first put into set lists.
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« Reply #73 on: April 15, 2020, 04:30:24 PM »

Didnít Carl do the vocal arrangements on this?

If so, it's surely the only time Carl did this kind of vocal arrangement - his others are more "conventional", if you will, and not really BW-like.

I feel I Can Hear Music, especially the a capella break, was pretty Brian-like. 
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« Reply #74 on: April 16, 2020, 12:21:04 AM »

Didnít Carl do the vocal arrangements on this?

If so, it's surely the only time Carl did this kind of vocal arrangement - his others are more "conventional", if you will, and not really BW-like.

I feel I Can Hear Music, especially the a capella break, was pretty Brian-like. 
Bruce did the vocal arrangement for ICHM and Mike came up with his bass part. Arranging vocals was never really Carl's area.
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