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« on: February 01, 2020, 07:42:52 AM »

For those that do not know about this "performance", please read following regarding the Beach Boys performing at the Safari Club's trophy hunting event.

https://www.change.org/p/beach-boys-stop-supporting-trophy-hunting?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=custom_url&recruited_by_id=5ffbfb80-7e12-0130-6bb4-3c764e049b10
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2020, 10:56:57 AM »

Thank you very much for posting this. I was not aware and I'm very, very disturbed by this news. I guess we now know that there is no low that Mike Love won't sink to. For someone who claims to be an environmental crusader this is absolutely despicable. I recognize that there will be a range of views on this, and that's okay, but if this gig goes ahead, I'll be selling my tickets to the upcoming Mike and Bruce show in April and donating the money to a conservation organization.  
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2020, 11:39:40 AM »

Signed. It's truly despicable to think they would play this gig.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2020, 11:48:02 AM »

Thank you very much for posting this. I was not aware and I'm very, very disturbed by this news. I guess we now know that there is no low that Mike Love won't sink to. For someone who claims to be and environmental crusader this is absolutely despicable.

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2020, 11:48:58 AM »

Why on earth would they do this?
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2020, 12:00:36 PM »

"The unstable animal never has been changed so rapidly.
The motor and the plane and the great war have gone over him..."
~ Robinson Jeffers "The Beaks of Eagles"

And now trophy hunters, too.  Cry


Mike, if ever you believed that poem that was important enough to be included in the Beach Boys' music, please don't do this.
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2020, 01:14:59 PM »

I'm not an online petition signer but there are limits.
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2020, 01:21:55 PM »

I'm surprised people are surprised that Mike Love would stoop this low to collect a paycheck. His reputation stinks to high heaven so why not stink it up even more with this pathetic scenario? I like the petition idea and to go one further, I'd say a massive boycott of his fake Beach Boys show would perhaps show him who's boss. Has anyone posted their feelings about this on his Facebook page? If they did I'm sure he'd have them quickly deleted. What a guy.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2020, 01:27:34 PM »

Ppppfffff...... here  we go again ...... dont  go to their shows...dont buy their music...... dont.....why i even bother..... Lips Sealed
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2020, 01:50:39 PM »

I'm offended that it's just Mike and Bruce and they call themselves "The Beach Boys."
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2020, 02:27:06 PM »

Elsewhere it is being said that we should devote our energy to changing the laws, not protesting The Beach Boys band/music...which was called "bullying" in this context.

Someone brought up a friggin fantastic point earlier:

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"The unstable animal never has been changed so rapidly.
The motor and the plane and the great war have gone over him..."
~ Robinson Jeffers "The Beaks of Eagles"

Here's another lyric co-written by MIKE himself:

"We live on the edge of a body of water
Warmed by the blood of the cold hearted
Slaughter of the otter
Wonder how she feels, mother seal
It's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue
The flagship of death is an old whaling trawler
The people are rising over whale killing crawlers
You gotta holler more
Wait a minute can't you see, you gotta let 'em be"


So now we're all bullies just because we're following Mike's own muse for disgust at the supporting of the deaths of innocent animals? Logically thinking about this, bullying behavior is an act that hurts another being for the sole reason of domination and ego...gee what does that remind anyone of....cough....trophy hunting....

Also, I don't see how boycotting The Beach Boys is an act of bullying...back in the land of reality I just gotta thank all of you here for being rational about this. I can completely get hunting for the sake of putting food on one's plate (even though I'm more and more shying away from this type of lifestyle). But hunting for prize and hunting for survival are two totally different things - and the former being utterly shameful.

The Beach Boys don't need this money, they seriously don't. Just add another rodeo gig to your lineup Mike! That is at least a little less embarrassing than this charade.
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2020, 02:57:18 PM »

I'm surprised people are surprised that Mike Love would stoop this low to collect a paycheck. His reputation stinks to high heaven so why not stink it up even more with this pathetic scenario? I like the petition idea and to go one further, I'd say a massive boycott of his fake Beach Boys show would perhaps show him who's boss. Has anyone posted their feelings about this on his Facebook page? If they did I'm sure he'd have them quickly deleted. What a guy.

I posted my thoughts on Mike's facebook page.  They hadn't been deleted last time I checked.  And I did say I would not be going to any more Mike shows. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2020, 03:22:49 PM »

I have a long line of hunters in my family, mostly of deer, bear, and birds. But I don't believe in hunting  "wild" or "exotic" game.
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2020, 03:43:58 PM »

I’m horrified they would do this type of show and I actually like the live band, mind you, so I’m quite disappointed.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2020, 07:49:08 PM »

I think it's very thoughtless of Mike to attend pro-trophy hunting event. He (and those in the management team) should've known that a lot of people wouldn't tolerate those who kill for fun, and on business perspective, this would hurt the band's brand and immensely damage future revenue from touring and merchandise.

That being said, take a look at what the petition states:

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We the undersigned pledge to stop buying or downloading all Beach Boys music, going to Beach Boys concerts, and purchasing any Beach Boys merchandise until the Beach Boys withdraw from the SCI Convention and publicly state their opposition to this sick ‘sport’ of killing animals for ‘fun’.

We will call on the Beach Boys' record label, agent and publicists to disown the Beach Boys, and on members of the public to protest at forthcoming Beach Boys concerts, unless they do so.

I can't quite agree with this, as this would surely affect the revenue of Brian, Al and Carl's estate who we're not sure have agreed with the attendance in the first place. Plus, those unfamiliar with the business side of the band might quit going to Brian and Al's show in protest against trophy hunting. The petition should've clarified that Mike and Bruce are the only ones currently tour as the the Beach Boys, and Brian and Al tours separately as a solo act.

(You might be technically able to blame Brian on the grounds that Brian reportedly has voted for Mike to use the Beach Boys brand for touring, and receive some of the revenue(http://endlessharmony.boards.net/post/5522/thread), but I'm not willing to subscribe to that logic)

Also, I'm not a big fan, or rather skeptic about this "cancel culture". Let's put it this way: Imagine that Mike's Beach Boys didn't withdraw from the event, their sales declined, and the record label actually disowned the band. Would it contribute to raise people's awareness against trophy hunting? I honestly doubt it. Rather, I could see backlash happening: "The band that made Pet Sounds got cancelled just because some of the members performed at pro-hunting event" would for sure be added to the list of "Nowadays you can't even say Merry Christmas". I believe people have every right to protest against hunting for fun etc, but it should be done in a way that would not socially exclude those who did the wrongdoings, or the backlash would be immense and original goal of the protest would be at stake.

So, to sum it up: I agree that Mike should withdraw from pro-trophy hunting event, but I disagree that we should boycott The Beach Boys. Thus I had to refrain from signing the petition.
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2020, 08:16:54 PM »

Also, I'm not a big fan, or rather skeptic about this "cancel culture". Let's put it this way: Imagine that Mike's Beach Boys didn't withdraw from the event, their sales declined, and the record label actually disowned the band. Would it contribute to raise people's awareness against trophy hunting? I honestly doubt it. Rather, I could see backlash happening: "The band that made Pet Sounds got cancelled just because some of the members performed at pro-hunting event"

On the flip side: imagine if people would be attracted to trophy hunting because The Beach Boys seem to be cool with it (if they go through with this event)? THAT is why I don't think boycotting the band is a bad idea. We're cool with ignoring the boycott if we think that The Beach Boys actually have zero influence on culture, but how about we act as if they do have influence on some people? I literally couldn't care less if The Beach Boys, Brian, Al, Wondermints lose sales over this. As in: if this is the culture that BRI or The Beach Boys want to support then they need to understand the consequences of supporting such an absolutely stupid cause.
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2020, 08:23:29 PM »

(You might be technically able to blame Brian on the grounds that Brian reportedly has voted for Mike to use the Beach Boys brand for touring, and receive some of the revenue(http://endlessharmony.boards.net/post/5522/thread), but I'm not willing to subscribe to that logic)

If Mike goes through with this concert and then was open to headlining more of these gigs then yes, I think that Brian, Carl's estate, and Al would absolutely be partial to blame in this. And I'm very outspoken of support for Brian's camp, but I can logically see why if Mike was attracting people to the "sport" of trophy hunting that Brian and Al would be to blame for allowing The Beach Boys name to continue to prop up such a heinous cause.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2020, 08:42:00 PM »

I'm not a hunter, and I've never hunted in my life.   I find the whole concept of "safari hunting" offensive, and I think its practitioners are likely pretty crappy people.

So I understand why some of you all are signing, and if that's what your conscience tells to you do, go for it.

But I'm not signing this petition.  Why?  Because I disagree with the petition's wording, and, as such, attaching my name thereto would be insincere.
(1) I haven't been to a Mike & Bruce show in decades, and I already had zero intention of attending such a show, so promising to "boycott" their act would be a phony threat on my part.
(2) I have no intention at all of boycotting the recorded oeuvre of The Beach Boys, regardless of whether Mike & Bruce sing "Fun, Fun, Fun" for this Safari Club on Wednesday or not.  If Brother Records Inc. releases a Sunflower box set or some other issue in which I'm interested, I'm not going to say, "Well, Mike & Bruce played a gig for the big-game-hunting industry, so forget it."  I'd be lying if I pretended that was my position.   Mike and Bruce and their associates playing gig, reprehensible as it may be, has nothing to do with the music that Brian and Al and Carl and Dennis recorded 50 years ago.  



 
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2020, 08:59:35 PM »

Also, I'm not a big fan, or rather skeptic about this "cancel culture". Let's put it this way: Imagine that Mike's Beach Boys didn't withdraw from the event, their sales declined, and the record label actually disowned the band. Would it contribute to raise people's awareness against trophy hunting? I honestly doubt it. Rather, I could see backlash happening: "The band that made Pet Sounds got cancelled just because some of the members performed at pro-hunting event"

On the flip side: imagine if people would be attracted to trophy hunting because The Beach Boys seem to be cool with it (if they go through with this event)? THAT is why I don't think boycotting the band is a bad idea. We're cool with ignoring the boycott if we think that The Beach Boys actually have zero influence on culture, but how about we act as if they do have influence on some people? I literally couldn't care less if The Beach Boys, Brian, Al, Wondermints lose sales over this. As in: if this is the culture that BRI or The Beach Boys want to support then they need to understand the consequences of supporting such an absolutely stupid cause.
Sorry if this sounds provocative or something, but are you (assuming you have signed) actually ready not to buy the music of The Beach Boys as the petition pledges? Say, would you refrain from buying the rumored Sunflower/Surf's Up box set, or any upcoming archival releases if Mike joined the trophy-hunting event and had not apologized about it by then?

I myself isn't, so that's partly the reason I didn't sign. (Perhaps you can say my fanboy-ism toward music is to blame, though, as I have bought Phil Spector's music even if he had committed murder and was in jail)

I understand trophy hunting is a terrible thing to do, and their performance at the event should be criticized as it promotes trophy hunting and possibly make more people to do it. My point is, I think protesting against performing at the event/publicly criticize them for attendance is enough. You can even boycott them on your belief. However, I just don't think campaign for boycotting The Beach Boys would work, if to promote people's awareness against trophy hunting is your priority, and not to punish and exclude The Beach Boys from society. I think it would be unproportional to what they are going to do.
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2020, 09:00:11 PM »

(You might be technically able to blame Brian on the grounds that Brian reportedly has voted for Mike to use the Beach Boys brand for touring, and receive some of the revenue(http://endlessharmony.boards.net/post/5522/thread), but I'm not willing to subscribe to that logic)

If Mike goes through with this concert and then was open to headlining more of these gigs then yes, I think that Brian, Carl's estate, and Al would absolutely be partial to blame in this. And I'm very outspoken of support for Brian's camp, but I can logically see why if Mike was attracting people to the "sport" of trophy hunting that Brian and Al would be to blame for allowing The Beach Boys name to continue to prop up such a heinous cause.
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2020, 09:49:11 PM »

For shame.

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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2020, 10:33:09 PM »

Why on earth would they do this?

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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2020, 10:35:04 PM »

Can anyone explain how the licensing thing works with stuff like this?  Playing at a political event is not the same thing as playing at the county fair or the concert hall down the street.  When you play something like this, it says something about your “brand”.  Do Brian, Al and Carl’s estate get any say in decisions to play events like this?  I cannot imagine Al being cool with it.  To say that it will tarnish their reputation is a huge understatement.  And the average person doesn’t know the complexities of who’s in what variation of the band, they’re just going to hear that “the Beach Boys” are playing at this big-game hunting fest and it will tarnish everyone’s reputation.  

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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2020, 11:12:53 PM »

 Do Brian, Al and Carl’s estate get any say in decisions to play events like this?  

It's highly unlikely that Brian, Al, Justyn or Jonah could veto a gig even if they wanted to.   Mike has a license.  IIRC, his act has to use booking agencies from a BRI-approved list, but other than that, he likely has a free hand.  As evidenced by what happened at the end of 2012, Brian and Al don't even have the right to perform with the band
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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2020, 05:47:46 AM »

Also, I'm not a big fan, or rather skeptic about this "cancel culture". Let's put it this way: Imagine that Mike's Beach Boys didn't withdraw from the event, their sales declined, and the record label actually disowned the band. Would it contribute to raise people's awareness against trophy hunting? I honestly doubt it. Rather, I could see backlash happening: "The band that made Pet Sounds got cancelled just because some of the members performed at pro-hunting event"

On the flip side: imagine if people would be attracted to trophy hunting because The Beach Boys seem to be cool with it (if they go through with this event)? THAT is why I don't think boycotting the band is a bad idea. We're cool with ignoring the boycott if we think that The Beach Boys actually have zero influence on culture, but how about we act as if they do have influence on some people? I literally couldn't care less if The Beach Boys, Brian, Al, Wondermints lose sales over this. As in: if this is the culture that BRI or The Beach Boys want to support then they need to understand the consequences of supporting such an absolutely stupid cause.
Sorry if this sounds provocative or something, but are you (assuming you have signed) actually ready not to buy the music of The Beach Boys as the petition pledges? Say, would you refrain from buying the rumored Sunflower/Surf's Up box set, or any upcoming archival releases if Mike joined the trophy-hunting event and had not apologized about it by then?

I myself isn't, so that's partly the reason I didn't sign. (Perhaps you can say my fanboy-ism toward music is to blame, though, as I have bought Phil Spector's music even if he had committed murder and was in jail)

I understand trophy hunting is a terrible thing to do, and their performance at the event should be criticized as it promotes trophy hunting and possibly make more people to do it. My point is, I think protesting against performing at the event/publicly criticize them for attendance is enough. You can even boycott them on your belief. However, I just don't think campaign for boycotting The Beach Boys would work, if to promote people's awareness against trophy hunting is your priority, and not to punish and exclude The Beach Boys from society. I think it would be unproportional to what they are going to do.

For me, this is a statement to the current management/leadership of The Beach Boys: “continue to support the killing of trophy animals and I’ll stop supporting you. Continue to drag the band name through the mud and I’ll stop supporting you.”

Of course the 60’s music has nothing to do with playing this gig. But from my perspective, if The Beach Boys play this gig then they are clearly supporting an immoral cause. If I buy their 60’s music I will be financially supporting them (and subsequently supporting trophy hunting). Put it this way: The Beach Boys are currently headlining an event that glorifies and supports the killing of living beings - not for the need of food but for their skins to be peeled off and their heads to be mounted on walls. If I continue to financially support this band if they continue to support this archaic “sport” then I am helping support this “sport” as well. Put it yet another way: if a more unknown band were headlining an event supporting the needless killing of animals no one would bat an eye at boycotting their music. But because it’s The Beach Boys suddenly we’re cool with financially supporting an entity that supports the needless killing of animals?

As for your point on Spector, I still listen to Phil Spector because 1) I get he is mentally ill, 2) he isn’t actively supporting the murder of human beings. He made a terrible decision and he is paying the price for it. Whereas if The Beach Boys play this gig they will be actively supporting the slaughter of exotic animals. That is something I will not financially support.

If Mike does play this gig and he goes all out Hall-of-Fame-night “you all need TM” on the crowd I will completely understand why they played and take back my words. Until then I just can’t justify financially supporting these guys if they willfully headline an event that supports trophy hunting.
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