Feel Flows box set

[joe_blow]

So, Mike’s been supportive of a vile person/politician for four years now? I didn’t realize he was a fan of Hillary Clinton!

Oops,forgot about keeping politics out of these threads...

It apparently is only ok when it's  anti Trump....because all the tolerance the Dems have shown.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Is it possible that Melinda could be behind this? Sunflower and Surf's Up are considered to be some of the best group albums, with everyone getting a chance to shine. This goes against the "Brian is the sole genius of the Beach Boys" narrative, so I could see Melinda having a problem with a box set covering this period. From Mike's book, we know she interfered with the C50 tour by changing a setlist and ordering five autotune devices. If she can do that, it seems likely she can get a box set delayed.

Maybe she doesn't like the tracklist. There may not be room for both 'Til I Die (track and backing vocals) and Student Demonstration Time (alternate vocal take) and I could see her lobbying for the former.

I'm just speculating and there's no evidence for this, but it seems plausible to me.

Auto tune is software...unless it’s something like this

https://www.sustainpunch.com/vocal-autotune-pedals/

Everytime I read the thing about “autotune devices being hooked up to the microphones” I shake my head. Read that in Mike’s book and I about wept

[Lonely Summer]

I think that was supposed to be a Tears in the Morning joke 😎

Right now, If i was Brian or Al, I would:
 hit hard at the battle that's confronting me,
knock down all the roadblocks stumbling me,
throw off all the shackles that are binding me down, down, down

[Freddie French-Pounce]

I've been simply doing my best effort and commenting on almost every instagram post put out by Brian's Page, Mike's Page, and the Official Beach Boys Page. I even DM'd Mike's page this morning in a very complimentary way, though I know that'll vanish in to the ether. Anyone curious, I'm @hypnoticfred.

I'm trying, I'm REALLY trying. Howie, any idea if this sort of thing helps even slightly, or does it actually hinder the situation?

[Jay]

Is it possible that Melinda could be behind this? Sunflower and Surf's Up are considered to be some of the best group albums, with everyone getting a chance to shine. This goes against the "Brian is the sole genius of the Beach Boys" narrative, so I could see Melinda having a problem with a box set covering this period. From Mike's book, we know she interfered with the C50 tour by changing a setlist and ordering five autotune devices. If she can do that, it seems likely she can get a box set delayed.

Maybe she doesn't like the tracklist. There may not be room for both 'Til I Die (track and backing vocals) and Student Demonstration Time (alternate vocal take) and I could see her lobbying for the former.

I'm just speculating and there's no evidence for this, but it seems plausible to me.

Auto tune is software...unless it’s something like this

https://www.sustainpunch.com/vocal-autotune-pedals/

Everytime I read the thing about “autotune devices being hooked up to the microphones” I shake my head. Read that in Mike’s book and I about wept

I'd say that's a possibility. I doubt Mike would know the difference.

[Jay]

Is it possible that Melinda could be behind this? Sunflower and Surf's Up are considered to be some of the best group albums, with everyone getting a chance to shine. This goes against the "Brian is the sole genius of the Beach Boys" narrative, so I could see Melinda having a problem with a box set covering this period. From Mike's book, we know she interfered with the C50 tour by changing a setlist and ordering five autotune devices. If she can do that, it seems likely she can get a box set delayed.

Maybe she doesn't like the tracklist. There may not be room for both 'Til I Die (track and backing vocals) and Student Demonstration Time (alternate vocal take) and I could see her lobbying for the former.

I'm just speculating and there's no evidence for this, but it seems plausible to me.

Auto tune is software...unless it’s something like this

https://www.sustainpunch.com/vocal-autotune-pedals/

Everytime I read the thing about “autotune devices being hooked up to the microphones” I shake my head. Read that in Mike’s book and I about wept

I'd say that's a possibility. I doubt Mike would know the difference.

[WillJC]

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[ReggieDunbar]

Is it possible that Melinda could be behind this? Sunflower and Surf's Up are considered to be some of the best group albums, with everyone getting a chance to shine. This goes against the "Brian is the sole genius of the Beach Boys" narrative, so I could see Melinda having a problem with a box set covering this period. From Mike's book, we know she interfered with the C50 tour by changing a setlist and ordering five autotune devices. If she can do that, it seems likely she can get a box set delayed.

Maybe she doesn't like the tracklist. There may not be room for both 'Til I Die (track and backing vocals) and Student Demonstration Time (alternate vocal take) and I could see her lobbying for the former.

I'm just speculating and there's no evidence for this, but it seems plausible to me.

Auto tune is software...unless it’s something like this

https://www.sustainpunch.com/vocal-autotune-pedals/

Everytime I read the thing about “autotune devices being hooked up to the microphones” I shake my head. Read that in Mike’s book and I about wept

There's gotta be at least one computer running the software... So naming it a device is a easy way explaining it to the reader. It's called storytelling
//RD

[Bicyclerider]

This is pure speculation with no basis in anything but could Mike be holding it up because he wants Brian to write some new songs with him?  He complained bitterly about TWGMTR that he wasn't allowed to write head to head with Brian.  Maybe he sees this box set release as a bargaining tool to accomplish this?

[HeyJude]

This is pure speculation with no basis in anything but could Mike be holding it up because he wants Brian to write some new songs with him?  He complained bitterly about TWGMTR that he wasn't allowed to write head to head with Brian.  Maybe he sees this box set release as a bargaining tool to accomplish this?

Nah, the delay has nothing to do with any desire or plan or idea to work together on new material.

I won't dredge up all the C50 stuff from 2012, but the evidence strongly indicates Mike *talks* about wanting to write with Brian *a lot* more than he seems to actually *want* to write with Brian. He had months on the road with Brian in 2012 (Melinda, Joe Thomas, etc. were gone for most of the tour), the most time he had spent daily with Brian since like 1981, and was on a daily basis in a setting where a keyboard was always within reach, and there is zero evidence he made any overtures/efforts to write with Brian.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Is it possible that Melinda could be behind this? Sunflower and Surf's Up are considered to be some of the best group albums, with everyone getting a chance to shine. This goes against the "Brian is the sole genius of the Beach Boys" narrative, so I could see Melinda having a problem with a box set covering this period. From Mike's book, we know she interfered with the C50 tour by changing a setlist and ordering five autotune devices. If she can do that, it seems likely she can get a box set delayed.

Maybe she doesn't like the tracklist. There may not be room for both 'Til I Die (track and backing vocals) and Student Demonstration Time (alternate vocal take) and I could see her lobbying for the former.

I'm just speculating and there's no evidence for this, but it seems plausible to me.

Auto tune is software...unless it’s something like this

https://www.sustainpunch.com/vocal-autotune-pedals/

Everytime I read the thing about “autotune devices being hooked up to the microphones” I shake my head. Read that in Mike’s book and I about wept

There's gotta be at least one computer running the software... So naming it a device is a easy way explaining it to the reader. It's called storytelling
//RD

True, but as a producer and musician it drove me batty 🤣

[terrei]

What if Phil Spector's to blame? We know he and his mind gangsters were powerful enough to destroy Smile back in '67 so it's not totally out of the question that he could be making moves to delay the set from his jail cell. Very disgusting, in my opinion.

[BeachBoysCovers]

Has anyone explained how the Surfin' Safari anniversary post Brian's team posted on Instagram earlier is a subtle dig at Mike holding up Feel Flows yet?

[Awesoman]

Has anyone explained how the Surfin' Safari anniversary post Brian's team posted on Instagram earlier is a subtle dig at Mike holding up Feel Flows yet?

What was the subtle dig?  Here's the caption:

On this day in 1962, The Beach Boys released their debut album, Surfin’ Safari. While the official production credit went to Nick Venet, Brian (just twenty-years-old) and his dad Murry contributed substantially to the album’s production. Brian said he wrote the song “Surfin’” after Dennis told him “surfing’s getting really big. You ought to write a song about it.” Brian wrote or co-wrote nine of the twelve songs, including “Surfing’ Safari,” “409” and “County Fair.” Brian and the ‘Boys were just getting started …

#1962
#surfinsafari
#surfin
#capitolrecords
#nickvenet
#murrywilson
#brianwilson
#debut
#garagesurf
#20

[BeachBoysCovers]

Has anyone explained how the Surfin' Safari anniversary post Brian's team posted on Instagram earlier is a subtle dig at Mike holding up Feel Flows yet?

What was the subtle dig?  Here's the caption:

On this day in 1962, The Beach Boys released their debut album, Surfin’ Safari. While the official production credit went to Nick Venet, Brian (just twenty-years-old) and his dad Murry contributed substantially to the album’s production. Brian said he wrote the song “Surfin’” after Dennis told him “surfing’s getting really big. You ought to write a song about it.” Brian wrote or co-wrote nine of the twelve songs, including “Surfing’ Safari,” “409” and “County Fair.” Brian and the ‘Boys were just getting started …

#1962
#surfinsafari
#surfin
#capitolrecords
#nickvenet
#murrywilson
#brianwilson
#debut
#garagesurf
#20

I was just alluding to the people insisting that the anniversary posts for Sunflower and Surf's Up were digs at Mike, instead of just....anniversary posts that gets posted for every album by Brian's team.

[thetojo]

As I've said, the core reason for all of this is so specific that it's virtually un-guessable.  Obviously, within any possible reason for such things, you could extrapolate it to the myriad of BRI/BB political BS over the years, and the stubborn nature of some folks, and since we can't literally bore into these peoples' heads, we can't ever know for sure exactly what reasoning (or lack thereof) is going on in their heads. But, ultimately there is a very real, obvious thing happening behind the scenes, and it is being used to justify holding up this set.

As I've said, when or if people finally hear what it's all about, they'll probably all look at the resulting decision to delay this set and think "huh? why?". The core reason is very specific, and an obviously weighty/serious thing all on its own. The issue is that to most folks in the know, it isn't actually a reason why "Feel Flows" would actually need to be delayed at all. The *thing* going on behind the scenes isn't crazy or unreasonable. What's driving people nuts is that certain folk or folks are saying because of that *thing*, the set shouldn't come out right now.

Unguessable, hey . . . I'll take up that challenge (we could be here a while).

1. Someone's advocating that the Beach Boys should push for "Summer Time" to start on January 1 and end on Dec 31 - so that there's just more Summer to go around?

2. Okay, I'm stumped.

Seriously though - it sounds like it is more of a genuinely held opinion about what should happen, something that might/could happen in the future as opposed to a selfish ultimatum type demand. Sounds like a decision that shouldn't be rushed into, but really has marginal impact on whether this set should really be released.

Okay, I'll have another stab. It's someone wanting to finish off some unfinished material - with the addition of new vocals perhaps - and therefore not wanting the box set to come out as is - with the unfinished versions of tracks.

Dennis' tracks come to mind.

I could imagine something akin to the Beatles' "Free As A Bird" being on the table.

Otherwise, my frontrunner guess is back to someone wanting to re-record "Here Comes The Night" in the latest style, let's say a post-punk, glam metal, future ghetto funk fusion!

[Dan Lega]

Hey HeyJude,

Didn't someone in this thread say the main thing holding up "Feel Flows" is an issue with credits?  Or did I dream that?

Now if that's the case, then the credit situation has to be worked out.  Or... the song, or songs, in question have to be excised from the set.

That brings us to speculation on why the credit situation is so hard to resolve.  I mean, are Mike or any other of the Beach Boys going to make more than a negligible amount by getting their names on some obscure track that is going to appear on this vanity/historical release?  Probably not.  So that should be easy to resolve.

However, if someone wants their credit changed on one or more of the main songs on the two albums, then perhaps they're asking for reimbursement of monies lost over the years?  Isn't that what Mike did before?  He sued and got Brian to pay him for royalties he was not paid over the years?

Am I getting close?


Love and merci,
Dan Lega

[mtaber]

People would prefer not listening to HeyJude, Howie, Jon, etc.  LET’S SPECULATE!!!!!

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Brian Wilson himself could say something and still nobody would believe him. Ridiculous.

[SMiLE Brian]

People would prefer not listening to HeyJude, Howie, Jon, etc.  LET’S SPECULATE!!!!!

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Speculation is just another form of masturbation, only messier

[Tom]

Based on HeyJude's latest statements, it seems like the reason is actually trivial and not what we might consider a logical reason for the set to be completely on hold. If that's the case then we haven't got much chance of guessing it. Better to keep campaigning in whatever way possible I suppose

[FlowsOfFeeling]

Speculation is just another form of masturbation, only messier

One of those is also more likely to end in a positive result too

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

[HeyJude]

Hey HeyJude,

Didn't someone in this thread say the main thing holding up "Feel Flows" is an issue with credits?  Or did I dream that?

Now if that's the case, then the credit situation has to worked out.  Or... the song, or songs, in question have to be excised from the set.

That brings us to speculation on why the credit situation is so hard to resolve.  I mean, are Mike or any other of the Beach Boys going to make more than a negligible amount by getting their names on some obscure track that is going to appear on this vanity/historical release?  Probably not.  So that should be easy to resolve.

However, if someone wants their credit changed on one or more of the main songs on the two albums, then perhaps they're asking for reimbursement of monies lost over the years?  Isn't that what Mike did before?  He sued and got Brian to pay him for royalties he was not paid over the years?

Am I getting close?


Love and merci,
Dan Lega

Nah, credits are not an issue. There's no dispute over songwriting or any other credits.

I don't think anybody has actually asserted that credits are an issue. I think someone at some point speculated if that might be the case. Either way, credits aren't at issue.

While it's understandable up to a point to find this concept confusing, it's important to remember that the compilation, mixing, mastering, artwork prep, etc. for this set were all run through the appropriate parties. Essentially, this set *was* given a green light at every step up until the finished product was ready for a release date to be set and manufacturing to begin. Knowing this might help folks to understand the things that would be very unlikely to be an issue. Things like track listing concerns, songwriting credits, liner notes disputes, all of that stuff would have been raised as an issue most likely prior to the set literally being ready to be sent to the printers/manufacturing plant. Obviously, anybody could dispute anything at any time, including disputing something they previously signed off on. But I don't believe that's the case with "Feel Flows."

A situation came into being, virtually unrelated to anything to do with the set, and it was and seemingly still is being used to decide to delay releasing the set. As I've previously said, this situation is a legit situation that would require appropriate attention, care, etc. I'm not even characterizing whether said situation is a good or a bad thing. It's just a thing/issue/occurrence, whatever you want to call it. That this situation is given serious attention is not unwarranted. What seems to have confused/stunned/frustrated folks is that *that* situation is being used as a reason to delay releasing "Feel Flows" when most people I think would see no reason that the set couldn't be released as per normal.