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« Reply #2800 on: December 26, 2020, 04:11:32 PM »

I'm not too worried - this was obviously a stopgap measure because Feel Flows ended up being delayed into '21, and they didn't want to release a bunch of material which would later be on the set anyway. It's a unique situation, we can't really make assumptions about how this will impact future releases.
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« Reply #2801 on: December 28, 2020, 05:57:04 PM »

Work continues on.
There's a really good communal vibe regarding the box.

FEEL FLOWS is going to be the perfect soundtrack to 2021.

Great news, Howie!
Thank you so much, and also Alan, Mark and everyone involved  Grin

I hope Dennis solo material is still in the final tracklist.
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« Reply #2802 on: December 28, 2020, 07:24:58 PM »

Quote from: Pretty Funky link=topic=26791.msg66
Cotton Fields (The Cotton Song) [3:14
It’s About Time [0:50]
San Miguel [2:34]
Good Time [2:56]
Carnival (Over The Waves) / Sobra Las Olas [1:34]
Susie Cincinnati [3:02]
I Just Got My Pay [2:43]
Soulful Old Man Sunshine [3:14]
I’m Goin’ Your Way [2:24]
This Whole World [1:41]
Add Some Music To Your Day [3:27]
Our Sweet Love [1:00]
Slip On Through [3:25]
This Whole World [3:11]
Add Some Music To Your Day [4:35]
Add Some Music To Your Day [3:30]
Got To Know The Woman [2:55]
Deirdre [3:35]
It’s About Time [2:53]
Tears In The Morning [4:13]
All I Wanna Do [3:46]
All I Wanna Do [2:58]
Forever [2:59]
Forever [2:52]
Our Sweet Love [2:39]
At My Window [2:51]
Cool, Cool Water [6:26]
Loop De Loop (Flip Flop Flyin’ In An Aeroplane) [2:49]
San Miguel [2:59]
Good Time [4:27]
When Girls Get Together [1:51]
Susie Cincinnati [3:04]
Back Home [2:23]
Sunflower Promo [1:00]
This Whole World [1:05]
Big Sur [2:36]
(Wouldn’t It Be Nice To) Live Again [6:53]
Seasons In The Sun [3:30]
Old Movie (Cuddle Up) [3:38]
Sound Of Free [2:22]
My Solution [3:44]
H.E.L.P. Is On The Way [2:31]
Surf’s Up Promo [1:02]
Don’t Go Near The Water [2:42]
Long Promised Road [3:40]
A Day In The Life Of A Tree [0:35]
Good Time [0:19]
Don’t Go Near The Water [3:41]
Long Promised Road [4:16]
Take A Load Off Your Feet [2:29]
Disney Girls (1957) [4:17]
Student Demonstration Time [3:46]
Feel Flows [5:02]
Lookin’ At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song) [2:43]
A Day In The Life Of A Tree [2:54]
‘Til I Die [1:56]
‘Til I Die [2:36]
’Til I Die [4:47]
Surf’s Up, Pt. 1 [1:41]
Surf’s Up [4:08]
Surf’s Up [4:05]
Sweet And Bitter [2:33]
Won’t You Tell Me [2:01]
Won’t You Tell Me [2:54]
Settle Down (Sound Of Free) [2:17]
Medley: All Of My Love / Ecology [5:06]
Before [2:26]
You Never Give Me Your Money [0:40]
Hawaiian Dream [4:34]
Medley: Happy Birthday, Brian / God Only Knows [2:47]
I’ve Got A Friend [2:28]
Feel Flows [0:35]
Disney Girls [0:36]
Cotton Fields (The Cotton Song) [2:46]
Riot In Cell Block #9 [3:31]
Add Some Music To Your Day [3:22]
Take A Load Off Your Feet [2:26]
It’s About Time [4:24]
Susie Cincinnati [2:42]
Back Home [3:29]
Student Demonstration Time [4:44]
Cotton Fields (The Cotton Song) [2:44]
Celebrate The News [2:34]
It’s Natural [2:35]
Awake [3:44]
Walkin’ [2:44]
San Miguel [1:00]
Baby Baby ;3:15]
My Solution [3:43
Marcella [3:29]
‘Til I Die [2:11]
Sunflower Promo [1:02]
You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone [3:35]

What exactly is this amazing track list?

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« Reply #2803 on: December 28, 2020, 07:33:08 PM »

Somebody asked if The Beach Boys were ever filmed as The Beatles were for Get Back.  Well...  David Oppenheim filmed the Boys during The SMiLE sessions!  What a shame that the complete footage has never been found!  Or even the sound recordings!

Someone else asked why Capitol hasn't put out any teasers for Feel Flows.  Well... in the newly released video for "Little Saint Nick" there is an Easter Egg with "Feel Flows" written on a surfboard!


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That's really subtle and cool, Dan. The full Oppenheim footage supposedly also included a "Child is Father of the Man" session and Mike "sabotaging" a Cabinessence session. "What exactly does 'over and over, the crow cries, uncover the cornfield' mean?", perhaps? What there is of the footage supposedly wound up in a specific archive, but has never been located there, as we all know.
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« Reply #2804 on: December 28, 2020, 08:28:55 PM »



What exactly is this amazing track list?

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What ‘hidive’ did was type in ‘Beach Boys’ in the site below (63 pages) and noted all the titles with a release date of 2020.


https://repsearch.ppluk.com/ars/faces/pages/audioSearch.jspx?_adf.ctrl-state=q0kwsuw07_4


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« Reply #2805 on: December 29, 2020, 06:11:40 AM »

Duplicate post.  See below.   Jedi Duel
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« Reply #2806 on: December 29, 2020, 06:14:04 AM »



What exactly is this amazing track list?

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What ‘hidive’ did was type in ‘Beach Boys’ in the site below (63 pages) and noted all the titles with a release date of 2020.


https://repsearch.ppluk.com/ars/faces/pages/audioSearch.jspx?_adf.ctrl-state=q0kwsuw07_4




So is this the alleged Feel Flows tracklisting or just a legal rights dump?  A few weeks ago someone posted a similar tracklist of George Harrison songs (maybe for readying a big All Things Must Pass box set?) so it's anyone's guess if this is official or not. 
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« Reply #2807 on: December 29, 2020, 06:50:09 AM »

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« Reply #2808 on: December 30, 2020, 08:56:23 AM »

Just a quick note that this all over the news - Paul McCartney scored the number one album on the charts this week with his McCartney 3 release. That's pretty damn impressive for an artist a few years shy of 80 years old, and ultimately it shows yet again that there is a market for "legacy" artists and their new releases. And the album is basically Sir Paul by himself in the studio cutting tracks and playing all the parts. Good for him. It's a good album, and there are some very, very good songs on there, as well as some nice guitar work from Macca.

I'm just saying this too because one sales figure I heard was 25,000 units over this past holiday week were what pushed it to #1. That's not much considering Bieber or Cardi B could release pure sh*t and get 10 million streams or views in a few weeks, but for physical product sales that's all it took. And for something like a box set to reach #1 the numbers would be far, far, FAR less to accomplish that.

As thrilled as I am that things are back on track for a BB's box release, there's also the notion of releasing at the right time...and The Beatles have always had that advantage over the Beach Boys. A holiday when most of the record-buying public is locked down or restricted and craving some new music to hear and enjoy at home? That doesn't happen everyday obviously, and I hate to think such an opportunity for a deluxe set to have dropped during this same time McCartney scored a #1 against most odds was blown.

Anyway, check out McCartney III, it's a good listen...and good for Sir Paul on scoring a #1 album! If the BB's and BRI could get their sh*t together and maybe focus on this kind of thing instead of drive-in shows and when Mike is going to play shows again, the music market is as wide open as it's been in decades, ripe for the picking if the right material is out there.
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« Reply #2809 on: December 30, 2020, 11:34:18 AM »

It actually hit #2 but still impressive.
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« Reply #2810 on: December 30, 2020, 11:53:03 AM »

It actually hit #2 but still impressive.

No, it hit #1. Otherwise I wouldn't have said it did.  Grin

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/9504857/mccartney-iii-debuts-top-album-sales-chart/

https://twitter.com/PaulMcCartney/status/1343597882742550528

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« Reply #2811 on: December 30, 2020, 02:56:51 PM »

McCARTNEY III peaked at Number Two on the Billboard 200.
Topping another Billboard chart, while still commendable and impressive, is really just topping some other chart.

The Billboard 200 is the industry standard.

A single topping out at, say, Number Four on the Mainstream Rock Songs list -- but stalling out at Number 33 on the Hot 100 -- means the artist scored a Top 40 hit -- not a Top 10.

McCARTNEY III is a Top Two hit.
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« Reply #2812 on: December 30, 2020, 03:10:35 PM »

Since Billboard announced the Macca #1 chart position in the article linked above, maybe there are just too many charts...well, yes there are too many but Macca did reach #1 on their top selling album chart (physical copies sold) and that's what is being reported all over the news.
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« Reply #2813 on: December 30, 2020, 03:16:20 PM »

Billboard 200 counts streams on there too...the album sales charts aren’t as important any more because sales are going down for everybody (trust me, I know 🥺). So yeah, he hit #2 on the “big daddy” chart so to speak.

Either way that’s a hell of an accomplishment...I haven’t sold sh*t for my past two releases so believe me, I’m not minimizing that achievement!
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« Reply #2814 on: December 30, 2020, 03:21:43 PM »

Then it must be all hype and B.S. being reported, someone should tell Paul since he's doing a celebration dance on his Twitter feed after reaching #1 on that chart.  LOL

I would too.
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« Reply #2815 on: December 30, 2020, 04:25:38 PM »

Well, he did hit #1 in the UK. Flowers In The Dirt was his last #1 there.
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« Reply #2816 on: December 30, 2020, 05:57:03 PM »

Speaking of Billboard .. Little Saint Nick is 47 on the billboard hot 100 this week. Pretty cool
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« Reply #2817 on: December 30, 2020, 07:24:03 PM »

Wasn't Egypt Station a Billboard 200 No. 1?
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« Reply #2818 on: December 31, 2020, 06:31:47 AM »

I love Paul McCartney, and while I have mixed (at best) feelings about his last two studio albums, it also has to be said that McCartney put out an EMBARRASSING amount of variants of "McCartney III" trying to push it to #1. I'd feel this way even if it was the best album he had ever made. It would still be embarrassing and frankly unbecoming. It really is *that* ridiculous.

This wasn't even the normal case of putting out a few cover variants at Target stores or something. It was an obscene amount of variants, essentially trying to get a few thousand hardcore fans to buy not two or three, but 20+ variants of the album to goose the sales chart (since the streaming numbers aren't going to do it).

When there were delays on some of the vinyl pressings, they delayed *all* version of the album an extra week so that ALL of those vinyl variants could be counted in the first week sales numbers. They added copies of the album to everything they possibly could. The sheet music songbook? Sure, add the *actual album* to that too! They also nearly *GAVE AWAY* copies on Amazon, selling digital copies in the first week for $3.99.

There were at least *TEN* vinyl variants. There were around *ELEVEN* CD variants (*not* including every bundle variant), plus a cassette. So yes, probably 1,000 hardcore fans bought up to *22* copies (or more for some swag items) of the album to help push this album as high as it got.

Here is a (probably not complete) list of variants (and this is ONLY USA variants!):


LPs

Black Standard - 602435136592
Red Third Man Records PM Site - 602435321875 (same number as UK non-Third Man Records)
Coke Bottle Clear Spotify PM Site - 602435136608
Opaque Pink Newbury Comics - 602435384719
White Indie - 602435321783
Green Target - 602435321776
Opaque Blue Barnes & Noble - 602435321820
Opaque Orange Universal - 602435384689
Opaque Yellow Beatle Fan PM Site - 602435439655
Yellow with Black Dots Third Man Records - TME707

CDs

Standard - 602435136561
Green Target - 602435136578
Songbook - 602435445939
White Deluxe - 602435513195
Blue Deluxe - 602435513201
Red Deluxe - 602435513225
Yellow Deluxe - 602435513249
White Mini-Jacket - 602435481661
Blue Mini-Jacket - 602435481869
Red Mini-Jacket - 602435481739
Yellow Mini-Jacket - 602435481784
White with Dice – 602435481432
Blue with Dice - 602435481791
Red with Dice - 602435481678
Yellow with Dice - 602435481746
White with T-Shirt - 602435481456
Blue with T-Shirt - 602435481814
Red with T-Shirt - 602435481708
Yellow with T-Shirt - 602435481753
White with Hat - 602435481463
Blue with Hat - 602435481838
Red with Hat - 602435481715
Yellow with Hat - 602435481760
White with Mask - 602435481487
Blue with Mask - 602435481845
Red with Mask - 602435481722
Yellow with Mask - 602435481777

Cassette

Smoky Tint - 602435321738

And yes, McCartney's PR team did everything they could to try to change this from a #2 album to a #1 album in the headlines by obscuring which album chart they were talking about. Even milking his hardcore collector fans *that* hard, they couldn't get it to #1 on the actual main Billboard album chart.

It's all relative of course. It's still an achievement considering the market conditions for this type of artist, where they have to rely so heavily on old fashioned physical sales to make up for far less streaming. But I can't overstate how ridiculous it has been the last few weeks and months as McCartney's team churned out as many physical variants as possible. At one point, they added four bonus tracks after a bunch of variants had been pre-ordered. But get this: They put ONE bonus track on each of four variants, meaning you had to buy FOUR copies of the CD to get all four bonus tracks. I'm pretty sure someone crunching the numbers probably realized there are packaging "completists", but then also some hardcore fans who really only collect variants with different, you know, MUSICAL CONTENT, so they hatched the one bonus-per CD with different color variant plan for that demographic of fan.
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« Reply #2819 on: December 31, 2020, 08:18:14 AM »

I love Paul McCartney, and while I have mixed (at best) feelings about his last two studio albums, it also has to be said that McCartney put out an EMBARRASSING amount of variants of "McCartney III" trying to push it to #1. I'd feel this way even if it was the best album he had ever made. It would still be embarrassing and frankly unbecoming. It really is *that* ridiculous.

This wasn't even the normal case of putting out a few cover variants at Target stores or something. It was an obscene amount of variants, essentially trying to get a few thousand hardcore fans to buy not two or three, but 20+ variants of the album to goose the sales chart (since the streaming numbers aren't going to do it).

When there were delays on some of the vinyl pressings, they delayed *all* version of the album an extra week so that ALL of those vinyl variants could be counted in the first week sales numbers. They added copies of the album to everything they possibly could. The sheet music songbook? Sure, add the *actual album* to that too! They also nearly *GAVE AWAY* copies on Amazon, selling digital copies in the first week for $3.99.

There were at least *TEN* vinyl variants. There were around *ELEVEN* CD variants (*not* including every bundle variant), plus a cassette. So yes, probably 1,000 hardcore fans bought up to *22* copies (or more for some swag items) of the album to help push this album as high as it got.

Here is a (probably not complete) list of variants (and this is ONLY USA variants!):


LPs

Black Standard - 602435136592
Red Third Man Records PM Site - 602435321875 (same number as UK non-Third Man Records)
Coke Bottle Clear Spotify PM Site - 602435136608
Opaque Pink Newbury Comics - 602435384719
White Indie - 602435321783
Green Target - 602435321776
Opaque Blue Barnes & Noble - 602435321820
Opaque Orange Universal - 602435384689
Opaque Yellow Beatle Fan PM Site - 602435439655
Yellow with Black Dots Third Man Records - TME707

CDs

Standard - 602435136561
Green Target - 602435136578
Songbook - 602435445939
White Deluxe - 602435513195
Blue Deluxe - 602435513201
Red Deluxe - 602435513225
Yellow Deluxe - 602435513249
White Mini-Jacket - 602435481661
Blue Mini-Jacket - 602435481869
Red Mini-Jacket - 602435481739
Yellow Mini-Jacket - 602435481784
White with Dice – 602435481432
Blue with Dice - 602435481791
Red with Dice - 602435481678
Yellow with Dice - 602435481746
White with T-Shirt - 602435481456
Blue with T-Shirt - 602435481814
Red with T-Shirt - 602435481708
Yellow with T-Shirt - 602435481753
White with Hat - 602435481463
Blue with Hat - 602435481838
Red with Hat - 602435481715
Yellow with Hat - 602435481760
White with Mask - 602435481487
Blue with Mask - 602435481845
Red with Mask - 602435481722
Yellow with Mask - 602435481777

Cassette

Smoky Tint - 602435321738

And yes, McCartney's PR team did everything they could to try to change this from a #2 album to a #1 album in the headlines by obscuring which album chart they were talking about. Even milking his hardcore collector fans *that* hard, they couldn't get it to #1 on the actual main Billboard album chart.

It's all relative of course. It's still an achievement considering the market conditions for this type of artist, where they have to rely so heavily on old fashioned physical sales to make up for far less streaming. But I can't overstate how ridiculous it has been the last few weeks and months as McCartney's team churned out as many physical variants as possible. At one point, they added four bonus tracks after a bunch of variants had been pre-ordered. But get this: They put ONE bonus track on each of four variants, meaning you had to buy FOUR copies of the CD to get all four bonus tracks. I'm pretty sure someone crunching the numbers probably realized there are packaging "completists", but then also some hardcore fans who really only collect variants with different, you know, MUSICAL CONTENT, so they hatched the one bonus-per CD with different color variant plan for that demographic of fan.

Holy crap! That is eye-opening and mind-bogglingly ridiculous.

I remember back in 2007, the smashing pumpkins had what I believed to be an obscene amount of variants of their mediocre  "reunion" album "zeitgeist", which really felt like milking the hardcore completist fans. But this take it to the next level and beyond. Shocked
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« Reply #2820 on: December 31, 2020, 08:24:34 AM »

If McCartney's team did all of this in order to generate some headlines and chart positions, I say good for them. They figured out the current game and the way it's played, and got results. The music business is (and has been) so f**ked up in general when it comes to sales and charts that nothing really makes sense.

Look at the Billboard Top 100 singles and Top 200 album charts this week. The majority of singles in the top 20 are Christmas songs between 30-70 years old. Prior to several years ago, they never tabulated those kinds of songs in the singles chart and you never saw the Christmas classics placing that high or at all. Now since the system was changed, you have the chart that's currently on Billboard featuring artists who haven't charted in literally 50 or more years getting top-10 singles.

Is that accurate? Is it fair to have Christmas "singles" which have been in fully automated rotation for the past month, some spinning every hour on the hour, on hundreds of FM "24 hour Christmas music" formats and all-day-Christmas streams across the US having those automated spins tabulated alongside artists whose music one has to actually purchase?

Look at the "standard" Top 200 album list this week. Phil Spector's Christmas album is #12 I believe...a higher chart showing than that classic ever had when it was current. The album chart minus McCartney and 24K Goldin or some similar sh*t is loaded with classic Christmas albums. I laughed when I saw a Bobby Helms "greatest hits" album cracking the top 40, nothing against Helms but people weren't buying any hit of his in 2020 other than Jingle Bell Rock. Yet there he is on the industry standard chart with a greatest hits comp.

So is any of this mess fair or accurate? There's the debate.

But I do see McCartney in the middle of all this crap getting headlines no matter what it took, and scoring a #2 or #1 album or whatever you want to call it.

I guess my point is, if he can do it, maybe the marketing teams behind the Beach Boys catalog and even BRI should take notes and try to generate similar results if and when necessary.

Seeing McCartney celebrating the chart position of his new album is much better press than reading about an uproar over playing a trophy-hunting convention gig, you know. But I'll leave it at that.


PS to HeyJude - I could be wrong, but I think some of those variants of the "3" album you listed were also done as exclusives to get people to shop at local record stores for the holidays, the "record store day" concept applied to the holiday shopping season. I know several local shops around here were promoting some exclusive pressings to try to get customers in and buying, and with all that's going on I think that's a pretty good thing overall. I think similar to previous record store day events some of the labels coordinated with the shops and associations to do this, so it wasn't entirely a gimmick by McCartney's marketing team to spike chart numbers by pressing all those variants of his album.
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« Reply #2821 on: December 31, 2020, 10:19:41 AM »

Given how no form of release has happened for any live recordings made in 1970, am I right in understanding that as of 00:01 tonight, these recordings become public domain within the EU? Or does the fact the the original recordings have the Copyright extension, mean the live versions do as well?
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« Reply #2822 on: December 31, 2020, 03:08:19 PM »

Given how no form of release has happened for any live recordings made in 1970, am I right in understanding that as of 00:01 tonight, these recordings become public domain within the EU? Or does the fact the the original recordings have the Copyright extension, mean the live versions do as well?

Wouldn't It Be Nice from Big Sur 70 has been available in legal form for many years.
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« Reply #2823 on: December 31, 2020, 07:19:23 PM »

I've listened to most of the Macca III tracks, and while my gut feeling is that nothing here is going to really stand the test of time like the man's best work, I still gotta say wow.  It's a hell of a collection of songs for a 78-year-old man to make.  Probably the best original work I ever heard from a musician over 75, hell, maybe 70.   If there were a "senior circuit" for popular music like they have for pro golf, Macca would be like the Tiger Woods (in his prime) of that.
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« Reply #2824 on: January 01, 2021, 06:37:32 AM »

Macca has always had that businessman side of his brain. Exploitative? Maybe. He wouldn't release all those variants though if there weren't so many people with the impulsive need to buy all of them. I was fine with a high resolution download myself.
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