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« on: October 14, 2019, 12:51:00 PM »

Rough attempt

https://www.dropbox.com/s/klaas0g02mhvj34/my%20children%20pitch%20shift.mp3?dl=0
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2019, 09:13:20 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2019, 09:53:10 AM »

cheers - I've since polished it a bit more

I might try some other 'overdubs' like this if  I can salvage isolated vocals


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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2019, 10:39:44 AM »

That's terrific, Mike...please, please do more of these!
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2019, 11:26:41 AM »

oh cheers - its a bit more polished now - I'll re-up it when I've done tinkering

That's terrific, Mike...please, please do more of these!
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2019, 04:54:52 PM »

Nice work - although I think the lyrics for this would have been "I've been in this town so long, so long to the city . . . I'm fit with the stuff, to ride in the rough, and sunny down snuff I'm alright with the Heroes and villains" and then go to the Fade.
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2019, 07:05:04 AM »

But the shape of the melody fits the 'often wise' line.

Have you tried to sing the 'sunny down snuff' section over it..?

Nice work - although I think the lyrics for this would have been "I've been in this town so long, so long to the city . . . I'm fit with the stuff, to ride in the rough, and sunny down snuff I'm alright with the Heroes and villains" and then go to the Fade.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2019, 08:06:23 AM »

Yes - the tempo is fast but I think it works.  Hard to take the single version of it and overlay however - some serious time shifting would be required with the resulting artifacts.
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2019, 08:21:36 AM »

So which syllables would you have where 'often wise' goes..?

I just can't hear it myself - the phrasing an emphasis is so different.


Yes - the tempo is fast but I think it works.  Hard to take the single version of it and overlay however - some serious time shifting would be required with the resulting artifacts.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2019, 08:27:44 AM »

Sunny down snuff Iím alright would go there.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2019, 10:36:56 AM »

It's a substitution for the first half of a verse's Db to Eb stretch, so the melody for any first half of a verse could realistically go there - except Children Were Raised, which consistently has its own musical identity with the Gb to Db riff + ascending/descending bassline over two (or allegedly three) versions. Plus, there's no precedent for those lyrics being used as the final verse of the song, which Prelude to Fade's title clearly designates it as.

"So long to the city" etc. would absolutely fit with some changes to the phrasing. It's just a reharmonized first half of a verse with "by the heroes and" tagged on the end.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2019, 01:33:15 PM »

'main verse' 'children' and 'prelude' all start on Db - 'prelude' changes to Eb7 earlier than the main verse but goes round the same chords with a slight variation..?

wjcrerar did you listen to my mp3..?  'my children' fits right over 'prelude'


It's a substitution for the first half of a verse's Db to Eb stretch, so the melody for any first half of a verse could realistically go there - except Children Were Raised, which consistently has its own musical identity with the Gb to Db riff + ascending/descending bassline over two (or allegedly three) versions. Plus, there's no precedent for those lyrics being used as the final verse of the song, which Prelude to Fade's title clearly designates it as.

"So long to the city" etc. would absolutely fit with some changes to the phrasing. It's just a reharmonized first half of a verse with "by the heroes and" tagged on the end.
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2019, 01:56:49 PM »

'main verse' 'children' and 'prelude' all start on Db - 'prelude' changes to Eb7 earlier than the main verse but goes round the same chords with a slight variation..?

wjcrerar did you listen to my mp3..?  'my children' fits right over 'prelude'


The lead vocal fits, but so would any lead vocal with the verse melody. You could sing "I been in this town so long that back in the city" or "once at night cotillion squared the fight" or "my children were raised, you know they suddenly rise" or "I been in this town so long, so long to the city" there and it wouldn't make a difference, but CWR as a section consistently had its own variation of the music and slate throughout the sessions. If Brian wanted to identify 'Prelude to Fade' as 'Children Were Raised' he would've.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2019, 02:05:26 PM »

Sure it fits exactly - to get 'sunnydown snuff' to fit you have to perform all sorts of wacky surgery.

I'm just not hearing it as 'sunnydown snuff'.  Could one of you guys knock it up..?  If you can and it sounds ok I'd like to hear it.


'main verse' 'children' and 'prelude' all start on Db - 'prelude' changes to Eb7 earlier than the main verse but goes round the same chords with a slight variation..?

wjcrerar did you listen to my mp3..?  'my children' fits right over 'prelude'


The lead vocal fits, but so would any lead vocal with the verse melody. You could sing "I been in this town so long that back in the city" or "once at night cotillion squared the fight" or "my children were raised, you know they suddenly rise" or "I been in this town so long, so long to the city" there and it wouldn't make a difference, but CWR as a section consistently had its own variation of the music and slate throughout the sessions. If Brian wanted to identify 'Prelude to Fade' as 'Children Were Raised' he would've.
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2019, 10:48:30 PM »

It's "Sonny, down snuff", as in addressing a much younger person. This is per BWPS. Just wanted to throw that in there. Feel free to throw it back out.  Interesting bit of editing with this combination, Mike.
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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2019, 01:39:19 AM »

It's "Sonny, down snuff", as in addressing a much younger person. This is per BWPS. Just wanted to throw that in there. Feel free to throw it back out.  Interesting bit of editing with this combination, Mike.
And snuffing out a Sonny cigar. He liked his double entendres, that Van Dyke.
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