Durrie Parks 'Great Shape' H&V acetate

[mike moseley]

OK I've just heard the snippet of the Durrie Parks 'Great Shape' section - thats on the end of CIFOTM on the 'Wake the World' compilation from last year.

To me it sounds like part of the early takes of 'part 2' i.e. 'false barnyard' while it was still kind of a jig - before they smoothed it out.  The 'smoothing' was done live on the day as they worked through it.

Can anyone else hear this..?

[wjcrerar]

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[mike moseley]

What do you make the chords in the IIGS snippet..?  It seems to start in G sharp and then go to C sharp - I think there's prob some passing chords in there but I'm not too hot at transcribing.

The snippet seems to loop..?

I think the actual Barnyard, False Barnyard, and IIGS all stem from these chords don't they..?  (Prob noted as C sharp and G sharp originally).  This isn't much of a clue ofc as the song is in C sharp.

EDIT:  IIGS is G sharp > D sharp m7..?  I thought it went to C sharp but it doesn't does it.?

They're a completely different chord progression, it's definitely not from the Sunshine session. Most likely contender is the H&V session at Western on December 19.

[wjcrerar]

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[mike moseley]

Yes you're right.

So presumably the IIGS and Barnyard sections were the middle 8 and fade of an early version of H&V..?

I wonder how long that version stood..?

I think Cantina and Sunshine replaced IIGS and Barnyard and the latter were moved to the new song IIGS..?
 

Sunshine fade is Ab7 to Db in 4/4, Great Shape is Ab7 to Ebm7 in 3/4. Some similarities, but one couldn't pass for an alternate arrangement of the other.

[wjcrerar]

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[mike moseley]

I don't really like the IIGS section - I'm not surprised it was removed.  Also the Cantina is OK but not a favourite - I think the piano part is very good but its one of the few time I think Brian could have come up with a better melody.

I absolutely love Barnyard.  Its got a spooky feel despite the humorous aspects.  Ideally I'd tone down some of the animal FX a bit esp the 'moo' which is a bit too mooey.

I think Barnyard would work great as  a repeated mid 8 or chorus except for the fact that you can't really get back out of it using existing pieces - it has to go at the end.

I can see why IIGS and Cantina were quite quickly dropped.  I think the 'bicycle' rider' melody is a much stronger section although I wish he'd produced it differently for the single - I find the choruses draggy and a bit odd whereas when its in 'Worms' its very well realized.

Probably, yeah. The guy who originally heard the Durrie Parks acetates at the auction (and confirmed the new Great Shape is what he heard back then) reported that there was a partial backing track edit consisting of this Great Shape, then into an unheard version of Children Were Raised (with a harpsichord but with the 'often wise' ending), and finally into the verse backing track from the "three score and five" cue.

[Bicyclerider]

Week the single choruses are in a minor key while the Worms  erosion is a major key.  There’s those Brian/Mike verse co-leads that are edited into the Worms Bicyclerider music - and they just don’t work.  Brian must have heard that and went for Cantina instead.

[wjcrerar]

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[Mr. Tiger]

Here's where I think it fits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn_cKOJRiXE

[wjcrerar]

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[mike moseley]

None of the earlier edits of H&V flow properly despite various attempts to sort the problem.

The single does flow but is oddly produced.

[AaronReturn2005]

Probably, yeah. The guy who originally heard the Durrie Parks acetates at the auction (and confirmed the new Great Shape is what he heard back then) reported that there was a partial backing track edit consisting of this Great Shape, then into an unheard version of Children Were Raised (with a harpsichord but with the 'often wise' ending), and finally into the verse backing track from the "three score and five" cue.

Pretty sure the "Children were raised/Three score and five" section could be vocal, not instrumental.

[WillJC]

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