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Author Topic: Durrie Parks 'Great Shape' H&V acetate  (Read 1068 times)
mike moseley
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« on: September 29, 2019, 06:53:15 AM »

OK I've just heard the snippet of the Durrie Parks 'Great Shape' section - thats on the end of CIFOTM on the 'Wake the World' compilation from last year.

To me it sounds like part of the early takes of 'part 2' i.e. 'false barnyard' while it was still kind of a jig - before they smoothed it out.  The 'smoothing' was done live on the day as they worked through it.

Can anyone else hear this..?
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2019, 07:50:46 AM »

They're a different chord progression, it's definitely not from the Sunshine session. Most likely contender is the H&V session at Western on December 19.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2019, 08:07:27 AM »

What do you make the chords in the IIGS snippet..?  It seems to start in G sharp and then go to C sharp - I think there's prob some passing chords in there but I'm not too hot at transcribing.

The snippet seems to loop..?

I think the actual Barnyard, False Barnyard, and IIGS all stem from these chords don't they..?  (Prob noted as C sharp and G sharp originally).  This isn't much of a clue ofc as the song is in C sharp.

EDIT:  IIGS is G sharp > D sharp m7..?  I thought it went to C sharp but it doesn't does it.?

They're a completely different chord progression, it's definitely not from the Sunshine session. Most likely contender is the H&V session at Western on December 19.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2019, 12:01:23 PM »

Sunshine fade is Ab7 to Db in 4/4, Great Shape is Ab7 to Ebm7 in 3/4. Some similarities, but one couldn't pass for an alternate arrangement of the other.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2019, 12:13:15 PM »

Yes you're right.

So presumably the IIGS and Barnyard sections were the middle 8 and fade of an early version of H&V..?

I wonder how long that version stood..?

I think Cantina and Sunshine replaced IIGS and Barnyard and the latter were moved to the new song IIGS..?
 

Sunshine fade is Ab7 to Db in 4/4, Great Shape is Ab7 to Ebm7 in 3/4. Some similarities, but one couldn't pass for an alternate arrangement of the other.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2019, 01:05:48 PM »

Probably, yeah. The guy who originally heard the Durrie Parks acetates at the auction (and confirmed the new Great Shape is what he heard back then) reported that there was a partial backing track edit consisting of this Great Shape, then into an unheard version of Children Were Raised (with a harpsichord but with the 'often wise' ending), and finally into the verse backing track from the "three score and five" cue.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2019, 01:59:15 PM »

I don't really like the IIGS section - I'm not surprised it was removed.  Also the Cantina is OK but not a favourite - I think the piano part is very good but its one of the few time I think Brian could have come up with a better melody.

I absolutely love Barnyard.  Its got a spooky feel despite the humorous aspects.  Ideally I'd tone down some of the animal FX a bit esp the 'moo' which is a bit too mooey.

I think Barnyard would work great as  a repeated mid 8 or chorus except for the fact that you can't really get back out of it using existing pieces - it has to go at the end.

I can see why IIGS and Cantina were quite quickly dropped.  I think the 'bicycle' rider' melody is a much stronger section although I wish he'd produced it differently for the single - I find the choruses draggy and a bit odd whereas when its in 'Worms' its very well realized.



Probably, yeah. The guy who originally heard the Durrie Parks acetates at the auction (and confirmed the new Great Shape is what he heard back then) reported that there was a partial backing track edit consisting of this Great Shape, then into an unheard version of Children Were Raised (with a harpsichord but with the 'often wise' ending), and finally into the verse backing track from the "three score and five" cue.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2019, 07:22:03 AM »

Week the single choruses are in a minor key while the Worms  erosion is a major key.  Thereís those Brian/Mike verse co-leads that are edited into the Worms Bicyclerider music - and they just donít work.  Brian must have heard that and went for Cantina instead.
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2019, 07:37:46 AM »

It's probably a safe assumption that at some point Bridge to Indians was intended to be a transition from the verse into Bicycle Rider, I just don't get why that ending F7 hum trialled in the session wasn't carried over to the master take. It'd make the key transition into 'Indians' actually work. Unless it actually was added on a missing tape as an overdub, but by the Jan 27 test edit it seems like Bridge to Indians was just a standard vocal transition into a key-compatible section with its Db ending. Those test mixes (apparently also Jan 27?) where the verse seems to be hard-edited into Bicycle Rider directly on the 8-track when it really doesn't sound good are even odder to reconcile with.

Another interesting possibility to consider (if those dates for the test mixes are accurate) is that Bicycle Rider was still on the cards by the time Cantina was added. Maybe the Bicycle Rider splice was just a remnant of an old edit on the master tape that wouldn't be featured, maybe for a brief period Brian was actually considering a structure with both sections but scaled it back by Feb 10, who knows.
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2019, 09:08:03 AM »

Here's where I think it fits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn_cKOJRiXE
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2019, 10:22:49 AM »

Here's where I think it fits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn_cKOJRiXE


That's a great edit, but it isn't an overdub. Almost certainly a completely re-recorded version of the section.
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2019, 11:04:31 AM »

None of the earlier edits of H&V flow properly despite various attempts to sort the problem.

The single does flow but is oddly produced.
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