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« on: August 05, 2019, 07:28:01 AM »

Motown is welcome too. Wink And white artists in these genres. In fact the first post is a track by Canned Heat, one that is close to my heart. Love the brass, arranged by Miles Grayson, on "Sandy's Blues". That's Joe Sample guesting on piano.

I bought Living the Blues in early 1969 soon after its release, sold it in 1972 (long story) and rebought it three or four years later. Grin

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_the_Blues
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2019, 10:34:09 AM »

I just bought a small CD boxset of John Lee Hooker that features 16 of his original Albums plus a CD of bonus material. All in all 10 CDs. I got it for little over 10 € (Euro). I guess this is possible because of the copyright stuff. Some very, very good albums and great music.

This is the set:

https://www.amazon.de/Hooker-Original-Albums-Bonus-Tracks/dp/B00XZKT4P4/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=29TJRSXT05YLI&keywords=john+lee+hookerjr&qid=1565026316&s=music&sprefix=john+lee+hooker%2Caps%2C165&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1



One track that really got me comes from "John Lee Hooker plays & sings the blues", called "Lonely boy boogie"; almost Chuck Berry-esque guitar licks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieTp9ORIuFE


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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2019, 11:55:24 AM »

If you want to hear a good example of early r&b, check out the original version of "Cherry Pie" by Marvin and Johnny, from 1954. Skip & Flip had a bit with it in 1961 I believe, but in my opinion it can't touch the original.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2019, 12:11:38 PM »

I just bought a small CD boxset of John Lee Hooker that features 16 of his original Albums plus a CD of bonus material. All in all 10 CDs. I got it for little over 10 € (Euro). I guess this is possible because of the copyright stuff. Some very, very good albums and great music.

This is the set:

https://www.amazon.de/Hooker-Original-Albums-Bonus-Tracks/dp/B00XZKT4P4/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=29TJRSXT05YLI&keywords=john+lee+hookerjr&qid=1565026316&s=music&sprefix=john+lee+hooker%2Caps%2C165&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1

One track that really got me comes from "John Lee Hooker plays & sings the blues", called "Lonely boy boogie"; almost Chuck Berry-esque guitar licks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieTp9ORIuFE

That's a lot of John Lee Hooker!  LOL I did like the track you linked--who else could do what he did with one or two notes and a stomping foot?!

This is my favourite JLH track, the totally over-the-top "Walkin' The Boogie". Those double-speed guitar licks, the insane echo on the foot-stomping, the double-tracked vocals...  Shocked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbezj9W2dXQ
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2019, 12:15:35 PM »

If you want to hear a good example of early r&b, check out the original version of "Cherry Pie" by Marvin and Johnny, from 1954. Skip & Flip had a bit with it in 1961 I believe, but in my opinion it can't touch the original.

Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tPjZOXNEXo

What an atmosphere! That counted for a lot in those days. Thanks for that, Jay.
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2019, 01:41:20 AM »

I just bought a small CD boxset of John Lee Hooker that features 16 of his original Albums plus a CD of bonus material. All in all 10 CDs. I got it for little over 10 € (Euro). I guess this is possible because of the copyright stuff. Some very, very good albums and great music.

This is the set:

https://www.amazon.de/Hooker-Original-Albums-Bonus-Tracks/dp/B00XZKT4P4/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=29TJRSXT05YLI&keywords=john+lee+hookerjr&qid=1565026316&s=music&sprefix=john+lee+hooker%2Caps%2C165&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1

One track that really got me comes from "John Lee Hooker plays & sings the blues", called "Lonely boy boogie"; almost Chuck Berry-esque guitar licks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieTp9ORIuFE

That's a lot of John Lee Hooker!  LOL I did like the track you linked--who else could do what he did with one or two notes and a stomping foot?!

This is my favourite JLH track, the totally over-the-top "Walkin' The Boogie". Those double-speed guitar licks, the insane echo on the foot-stomping, the double-tracked vocals...  Shocked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbezj9W2dXQ


I always wondered why they did the double-tracking. It was done on a couple of other JLH songs as well, but I can't find a reason for that other than trying to offer a different view on his sound. Very strange. That said, I really like the sound of the double-tracked foot stomping you mentioned.  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2019, 02:10:07 AM »

I always wondered why they did the double-tracking. It was done on a couple of other JLH songs as well, but I can't find a reason for that other than trying to offer a different view on his sound. Very strange. That said, I really like the sound of the double-tracked foot stomping you mentioned.  Smiley

Perhaps they were looking for a hit. The ragged talking bit is clearly him overdubbing his voice a second time, maybe the sung portions as well. I see some commenters conjectured that the double-speed guitar is actually a normal-speed mandolin! One even thought it might be Yank Rachell, who played with Sleepy John Estes. H'mm. Sounds seriously speeded up to me.

Talking of Sleepy John... "Street Car Blues" features YR on mandolln and Jab Jones on piano. An extraordinary sound, all told.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMD76FGX_K8

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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2019, 02:30:33 AM »

I always wondered why they did the double-tracking. It was done on a couple of other JLH songs as well, but I can't find a reason for that other than trying to offer a different view on his sound. Very strange. That said, I really like the sound of the double-tracked foot stomping you mentioned.  Smiley

Perhaps they were looking for a hit. The ragged talking bit is clearly him overdubbing his voice a second time, maybe the sung portions as well.



I just remembered that the Beach Boys also tried to overdub "Surfin' safari" from the Hite Morgan sessions with them playing the same parts live to the track. Wasn't that for some kind of stereo experiment that didn't work out? Maybe they had the same plan for these Hooker recordings?

Thanks for the Sleepy John Estes link. Beautiful!



If you want to hear a good example of early r&b, check out the original version of "Cherry Pie" by Marvin and Johnny, from 1954. Skip & Flip had a bit with it in 1961 I believe, but in my opinion it can't touch the original.

That's a cool song. Bo Diddley used to do this one in concert while name-checking some of the early Rock'n'Roll stars and having the audience applaud them.
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2019, 02:34:33 AM »

I just bought a small CD boxset of John Lee Hooker that features 16 of his original Albums plus a CD of bonus material. All in all 10 CDs. I got it for little over 10 € (Euro). I guess this is possible because of the copyright stuff. Some very, very good albums and great music.

This is the set:

https://www.amazon.de/Hooker-Original-Albums-Bonus-Tracks/dp/B00XZKT4P4/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=29TJRSXT05YLI&keywords=john+lee+hookerjr&qid=1565026316&s=music&sprefix=john+lee+hooker%2Caps%2C165&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1




After having listened to all the albums on this set, I strongly recommend that if you don't own JLH's early albums, you get some of them. "JLH plays and sings the blues", "The folklore of JLH", "Burning hell", "Live at Sugarhill", "That's my story" and others. Beautiful! I don't know if the set I posted above is available outside of Europe, but it's well worth getting it. But there are also other releases of these albums.
Now, net on my JLH list are "Hooker'n'Heat", "Live at Cafe Au Go Go" and "Live at Soledad Prison"
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2019, 06:09:11 AM »

I guess this thread could be the right place for this question. Are there any live audio recordings of Joe Tex?
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2019, 05:24:08 AM »

I guess this thread could be the right place for this question. Are there any live audio recordings of Joe Tex?

Here you go, sir:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL94gOvpr5yt2At2JQdFie1wJmSj4pBoMC

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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2019, 07:49:13 AM »

I guess this thread could be the right place for this question. Are there any live audio recordings of Joe Tex?

Here you go, sir:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL94gOvpr5yt2At2JQdFie1wJmSj4pBoMC





Thank you, but that album was cut in the studio and then overdubbed with an audience. I was/am looking for legit live audio recordings. There are live videos on youtube which are great.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2019, 09:01:27 AM »

Thank you, but that album was cut in the studio and then overdubbed with an audience. I was/am looking for legit live audio recordings. There are live videos on youtube which are great.

Eek! That's not good. Shocked

Yes, I noticed some videos from The Joe Tex Show.
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2019, 01:55:13 AM »

Thanks for the Sleepy John Estes link. Beautiful!

You're welcome. My brother has been a big fan of SJE ever since seeing Estes named as the author of Eddie Cochran's "Milk Cow Blues":



Here's the original from 1930. That's Jab Jones on piano and Yank Rachell on mandolin. No mention of a cow anywhere! LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU9kntOj22Q
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2019, 02:44:17 AM »

Interesting! But that credit is probably an error, not unusual with "Folk"-songs. Eddie Cochran certainly got his influence from Elvis' recording who based his version on Bob Wills' version. Writing credit goes to Kokomo Arnold. And of course there's another - yet similar - song by Robert Johnson called Milkcow's calf blues.
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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2019, 02:01:09 PM »

I've long been fascinated by this track from 1927. "Court Street Blues" features Stovepipe No. 1 (Sam Jones) on stovepipe and vocals and David Crockett on guitar. I just love that ending!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8lGGPCQ_4E

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I've long been fascinated by this track from 1927. "Court Street Blues" features Stovepipe No. 1 (Sam Jones) on stovepipe and vocals and David Crockett on guitar. I just love that ending!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8lGGPCQ_4E

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stovepipe_No._1
That was awesome.  Grin I'm a big fan of old blues. Pretty much anything from the 1920's to the 50's. My favorites are Son House, Robert Johnson, Blind Willie Johnson, Leadbelly, Bukka White...I could go on and on, but I'll quit for now.  LOL
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2019, 12:33:03 AM »

I'm not sure if all of these count as being in the criteria of this thread, but I figured I'd post a bunch of recordings that I think are incredible song.  Grin Here we go:

1. Ooh Poo Pah Doo by Jessie Hill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qhxE5z9xRI

2. The Right To Love You by The Mighty Hannibal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN1KiZVuREk

3. When Something Is Wrong With My Baby by Sam & Dave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhUFnyUSdfs

4. Cry Baby by Garnett Mimms & The Enchanters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBVFcnbAz28

5. Eyesight To The Blind by The Larks(the original is by Sonny Boy Williamson): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwntQs-XR3w

6. The Deacon Moves In by Little Esther: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B72rnAua5w

7. Ohh...It Feels So good by The Larks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chDxsi4ciFM

8. Sixty Minute Man by Billy Ward and The Dominoes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXfJj8R3q20

9. Smokey Joe's Café by The Robins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6dA-liqmKs

10. Little Mama by The Clovers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r28E25RiDw8
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I've long been fascinated by this track from 1927. "Court Street Blues" features Stovepipe No. 1 (Sam Jones) on stovepipe and vocals and David Crockett on guitar.
That was awesome.  Grin I'm a big fan of old blues. Pretty much anything from the 1920's to the 50's. My favorites are Son House, Robert Johnson, Blind Willie Johnson, Leadbelly, Bukka White...I could go on and on, but I'll quit for now.  LOL

I remember hearing a stunning album of stuff by Son House years ago. Is there an album or comp of his that you'd recommend?

Great list of songs you posted, by the way. Wow. And... I'm slowly working my way through Face Dances. To be continued. Wink 
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I've long been fascinated by this track from 1927. "Court Street Blues" features Stovepipe No. 1 (Sam Jones) on stovepipe and vocals and David Crockett on guitar.
That was awesome.  Grin I'm a big fan of old blues. Pretty much anything from the 1920's to the 50's. My favorites are Son House, Robert Johnson, Blind Willie Johnson, Leadbelly, Bukka White...I could go on and on, but I'll quit for now.  LOL

I remember hearing a stunning album of stuff by Son House years ago. Is there an album or comp of his that you'd recommend?

Great list of songs you posted, by the way. Wow. And... I'm slowly working my way through Face Dances. To be continued. Wink 
Sorry I didn't see this until now. The first Son House CD I got was one of the Martin Scorsese cd's released as a tie in with his documentary series. There were a bunch of blues compilation cd's made of half a dozen or so artists, and I got the Son House one on a whim at a used CD stores. It's a reasonably good "starter cd" with a basic overview of his recordings. It starts with about three or four songs from his first recording session in 1930(I believe), then follows with a few recordings he did in the 1940's for the Library of Congress, and ends with a few recordings made in the mid 1960's after he was "rediscovered". It's fairly basic, but it's a good place to start if you don't know his music. Unfortunately, the 1930 recordings are particularly noisy. The record label at the time was notorious for using interior vinyl.
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I remember hearing a stunning album of stuff by Son House years ago. Is there an album or comp of his that you'd recommend?

Sorry I didn't see this until now. The first Son House CD I got was one of the Martin Scorsese cd's released as a tie in with his documentary series. There were a bunch of blues compilation cd's made of half a dozen or so artists, and I got the Son House one on a whim at a used CD stores. It's a reasonably good "starter cd" with a basic overview of his recordings. It starts with about three or four songs from his first recording session in 1930(I believe), then follows with a few recordings he did in the 1940's for the Library of Congress, and ends with a few recordings made in the mid 1960's after he was "rediscovered". It's fairly basic, but it's a good place to start if you don't know his music. Unfortunately, the 1930 recordings are particularly noisy. The record label at the time was notorious for using interior vinyl.

Thanks! No problem with noisy recordings--they are a breath of fresh air in a world where so much recorded music sounds vacuum-packed. Grin
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I remember hearing a stunning album of stuff by Son House years ago. Is there an album or comp of his that you'd recommend?

Sorry I didn't see this until now. The first Son House CD I got was one of the Martin Scorsese cd's released as a tie in with his documentary series. There were a bunch of blues compilation cd's made of half a dozen or so artists, and I got the Son House one on a whim at a used CD stores. It's a reasonably good "starter cd" with a basic overview of his recordings. It starts with about three or four songs from his first recording session in 1930(I believe), then follows with a few recordings he did in the 1940's for the Library of Congress, and ends with a few recordings made in the mid 1960's after he was "rediscovered". It's fairly basic, but it's a good place to start if you don't know his music. Unfortunately, the 1930 recordings are particularly noisy. The record label at the time was notorious for using interior vinyl.

Thanks! No problem with noisy recordings--they are a breath of fresh air in a world where so much recorded music sounds vacuum-packed. Grin
I thought I was the only one who preferred older blues music to not sound perfect. I think that surface noise gives it personality.
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I remember hearing a stunning album of stuff by Son House years ago. Is there an album or comp of his that you'd recommend?




It's always worth a try to look on youtube. Try "Son House album" or whatever. You don't necessarily find the whole thing there but selections from the albums so you get an idea. There is "The real Delta blues" and others.




BTW a different thing. I just listened to "A casual look" by The Six Teens. Now, I thought the Beach Boys' version was bad to begin with, but now I think it's utterly disgusting. The original record is pretty cool and has very good singing.




I thought I was the only one who preferred older blues music to not sound perfect.


No, no! I love that. I can't stand that clean sound on modern blues (or what I think it is). Nothing better than Sam Phillips' much-too-loud-recorded blues records. The old records with all their noises have great atmosphere.
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I thought I was the only one who preferred older blues music to not sound perfect.


No, no! I love that. I can't stand that clean sound on modern blues (or what I think it is). Nothing better than Sam Phillips' much-too-loud-recorded blues records. The old records with all their noises have great atmosphere.
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The blues I can't go for is the kind made by older white guys with ponytails. I prefer blues from the 20's thru the '50s and select stuff from the 60s.
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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2019, 11:56:44 AM »

The blues I can't go for is the kind made by older white guys with ponytails.

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Been sifting through some Son House stuff and discovered this jewel from 1942. On "Walkin' Blues", SH (vocals, guitar, speech) is joined by Fiddlin' Joe Martin (mandolin, speech), Leroy Williams (harmonica) and Willie Brown (guitar).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M6JG-DySZc
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