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« on: June 12, 2019, 02:41:20 AM »

Apologies for the morbid curiosity, but this seems to be an era I can't find much evidence of. Wikipedia says that Carl was playing his final gigs seated and using an oxygen tank(?) however I can't see any evidence of him even being ill in any way. Is there photo/video of this?

Hopefully I'm not asking anything untoward.
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2019, 11:17:33 AM »

Try this thread for a start:  http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,4500.0.html


I haven't looked through it, maybe some pictures posted there are gone now.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2019, 12:13:05 PM »

Apologies for the morbid curiosity, but this seems to be an era I can't find much evidence of. Wikipedia says that Carl was playing his final gigs seated and using an oxygen tank(?) however I can't see any evidence of him even being ill in any way. Is there photo/video of this?

Hopefully I'm not asking anything untoward.

There isnít a ton of currently circulating audio or video from the 1997 tour while Carl was still there. There are a few audio audience recordings. A few clips from those recordings are floating around YouTube. Hereís ďGod Only KnowsĒ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMMiyaPeUA4&list=RDvMMiyaPeUA4&start_radio=1

The only video Iíve seen is a quick TV news report with a bit of ďb-rollĒ type footage, and I canít find that on YouTube, so Iím not sure if itís still up.  


There are a small group of photos of Carl on this tour as well. At least one, not published online, is the Rusten/Stebbins ďBeach Boys In ConcertĒ book.

There are a few others:













I donít believe any photos or video of Carl actually sitting down or using oxygen have surfaced. (Though in a couple of those pics above you can see the chair behind Carl).

Iíve long felt this sense that there is more audio/video of the 1997 tour out there, and people are holding on to it either because itís rare/sought-after, and/or because they feel Carlís in rough shape. I recall one specific "rumor" years ago that someone had a full 1997 show on video (audience-shot), but that has seemingly never surfaced.

I have to say, knowing what people go through with the treatments that Carl was undergoing, he looks pretty okay in most of the pics Iíve seen, and he has sounded good in every audio clip Iíve heard.

There was one pic of Carl post-touring, either late 1997 or early 1998, published one time in ESQ. Someone sent it to me years ago but I can't find it anymore. It's not online anywhere, and a big hubbub was made years ago when someone offered to scan it, based on how they only got permission to publish the pic for that one-time use in that issue.

I'm not big on tightly clamping down on minimal use of old photos that have been published, nor of hoarding old unpublished photos. We're all going to end up dead and nobody will ever see the stuff, so what's the point? I'm speaking very broadly of course.

In any event, I'm trying to remember if anything beyond those '97 shows above (and the one additional shot in the aforementioned book) are out there from that tour. The first four shots above are from a June show in Texas, and this link has more shots from that show: http://rockinhouston.com/performers/beach-boys/83?groupBy=Years&page=2

There's some stuff from later in 1997 on audio/video after Carl was off the tour and David Marks joined, showing the Mike-Al-Bruce-Dave lineup.
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2019, 04:49:13 AM »

Here is Carl, seated for the whole show, from Syracuse...

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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2019, 05:35:29 AM »

Here's Carl from Syracuse. He was seated the entire show

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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2019, 06:33:05 AM »

I've never seen that one before!  Shocked Thanks for posting it. There is a picture in the "In Concert" book, but it's quite sad to see. I had heard it was hard to look at, but when I saw it I was actually really shocked. Carl didn't look like Carl at all.  Sad  Many years ago, somebody on this board mentioned seeing a video of the group from this period, and Carl was sitting down. I'm not sure I'd want to see it. It is a little to much of a coincidence that we have audience videos of the group from every year in the 1990's, except for 1997 with Carl.
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2019, 08:59:30 AM »

Here's Carl from Syracuse. He was seated the entire show

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If that's confirmed as Syracuse, then that would be August 21, 1997, which would be only eight days before his final show on August 29th in Atlantic City.
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2019, 09:22:23 AM »

In Mike's book he says that at the last show he played, he was wheeled out onstage in a wheelchair. I'm not sure if I believe that.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2019, 09:38:32 AM »

In Mike's book he says that at the last show he played, he was wheeled out onstage in a wheelchair. I'm not sure if I believe that.

I don't know about those specifics, but evidence would indicate Mike was taking issue/concern with Carl's condition and/or appearance out on tour by that time. Check this post out:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,18436.msg481404.html#msg481404
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2019, 09:45:29 AM »

I've never seen that one before!  Shocked Thanks for posting it. There is a picture in the "In Concert" book, but it's quite sad to see. I had heard it was hard to look at, but when I saw it I was actually really shocked. Carl didn't look like Carl at all.  Sad  Many years ago, somebody on this board mentioned seeing a video of the group from this period, and Carl was sitting down. I'm not sure I'd want to see it. It is a little to much of a coincidence that we have audience videos of the group from every year in the 1990's, except for 1997 with Carl.

As has been discussed in the past, and as some folks who are familiar with issues like what Carl went through, it's a bit ironic that, while I think Carl generally doesn't look too bad in the extant photos from that tour all things considered, the main area where he does look different than normal is the water retention/bloating (or pick whatever similar word) that often comes from taking various steroid-related medications while undergoing cancer treatments. So it's not the disease nor even the primary chemo/radiation treatments that led to the main issue that led to him looking different in 1997. He was apparently also wearing a wig at some point, which is of course due to hair loss from treatments.

But really, I've known people undergoing chemo and radiation, and I have to say that considering everything Carl was going through, he generally looks pretty okay in the photos and footage I've seen, keeping in mind his condition, the treatments, the off-shoot medical issues that come from all of that, and that he was still traveling around and doing full shows, playing guitar and singing. Even if he was sitting for some/most/all of some of the shows, and even if he was traveling by bus instead of airplane on that tour, that's still rigorous activity for someone battling all of that.
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